azuresou1 wrote:Your argument is all over the place.
Tyson Chandler's WS% increased by something like 70% simply from switching teams. Did he get better?
Lies. We had this discussion before. Tyson Chandler had a well documented foot injury.
"Then everything collapsed. Or, more accurately, Chandler’s knee, ankle, and foot did. He was limited to just 45 games last season before being traded to the Charlotte Bobcats over the summer, and he’s only played 28 out of a possible 56 games for the ‘Cats this season. To make matters worse, even the court time Chandler has seen over the past two years has been limited, and Tyson seems like a shade of his former self."
You said this in the other thread. FAIL. He was injured and athletic finishers who grab boards are quite valuable.
No, he got on a better team and pretty much only had to defend and be a garbage man.
Can Al Horford defend and Rebound 20% of all boards get to the free throw line and be a garbage man? Al Jefferson? who? only elite bigs do these things.
He is nowhere near as useful to a team as Dirk is, and if you take Dirk off the Mavs they suddenly drop to a borderline playoff team. Take Tyson Chandler off the Mavs and they're still a second round playoff team.
ooookay... First win shares says Dirk was 11 wins. So taking him off inn a vaccuum would mean 46 wins.
I can imagine replacing Tyson (Bogut) at C. I can't imagine replacing their volume scoring PF.
I can imagine replacing Al at C. I can't imagine Horford becoming a volume scoring PF.
Seriously. Are you saying that in the talent depleted NBA is easier to replace Tyson Chandler at C than Dirk Nowitzki at PF?
shocker.
No, Al Horford is not assertive...
NO he's not dominant. Jack of all trades.
Despite that, he makes the right play, and I find it hilarious you're trying to construe passing ability as a bad thing.
Now that I know you see him as a center (perhaps the most interchangeable championship position over the past 4 years) it makes sense. You see him as an offensive center,
too bad centers aren't supposed to go out of their way to make an assist.
On a championship team you don't put Al Horford at center and then put Bibby, Crawford, Joe Johnson to milk passing.
Then you know Smith can't shoot so the stretch forward is Marvin Williams!
Dallas has Dirk, we have Marvin Williams! Or if it's post-up-get-offensive-boards-forward LA has Pau, San ANtonio had Duncan, we have Josh Smith an SF.
Great team construction!
Al "I need help down low" Horford cannot guard centers,
He cannot score at a high pace and use possessions from the PF. He's a tweener.
Or his FT%, especially since FT shooting is the biggest flaw for many Cs. Shaq, for all his dominance, couldn't play the last 3-4 minutes of close games because he was a horrible FT shooter.
So you would take Shaq off of the Lakers for Horford?
The point isn't too 2 free throws its to get to the line. You know that's a flaw. Horford is playing a whole different brand of passive, inferior basketball than Shaquille O'Neal.
It is exactly what u just said Al Horford is an undersized offensive center. Not a power forward.
Free throw shooting? How do you not see that 1 trip to the free throw line isn't a flaw?
THat's terrible basketball.
Kendrick Perkins is a defensive center. Andrew Bynum is defense (he is not slowing the offense down or getting touches next to Bryant or Pau. sorry).
We need an offensive power forward. Not an offensive center.
No one wins with an offensive center, unless Shaq and Tim Duncan (?) are being counted
and as you said Horford is not as good at scoring as them.
Your argument for Al Horford being a bad player is that he's not amazing. What kind of joke argument is that? He's obviously a second/third option - that doesn't make him a bad player.
Again. Lie. Iirc I clearly said 4th option.
Usage Rate/%
REG. SEASON
Dirk Nowitzki 28.2
Jason Terry 24.7
Shawn Marion 21.5 (and this is when he's old and FAR from his TS% and scoring/finishing peaks)
Jason Kidd 14.3
2004 Pistons
Richard Hamilton 25.7 Tim Duncan 28.9
Chauncey Billups 23.5 Tony Parker 25
Rasheed Wallace 23.2 Manu Ginobili 24.3Tayshaun Prince 15.6 Rasho Nesterovic 13.5
Literally trying to make an argument that Al Horford getting assists makes him a bad player
Literally you're making an argument that he's a 3rd option when he's a 4th option on a losing team (Hawks) and any recent championship team.
We're not getting Shaq, Duncan, Kobe, Nowitzki etc. Thus Horford is not a 3rd option.
If we had such a dominant player Horford could be 3rd, sure because they carry such a load.
Unfortunately we have Johnson (ideally 2nd option ~25%), Smith (3rd option, ideally 23%).
