Top Trade Value SGs - DONE

[Coxy]

Harden at 4?? WTF, LMAO...........

[Trader_Joe]

For the positional differences....

I'm trying to go with where players' started and generally played a majority of their minutes.
Thus DD, George, Wes are at SG.

Evans at PG since I think he's played most his career there and King fans seem to define him as one, with Thornton the expected SG starter once resigned. I'll add him to the PG list.

I think I'll end this one...and keep on.

[vincecarter4pres]

For the positional differences....

I'm trying to go with where players' started and generally played a majority of their minutes.
Thus DD, George, Wes are at SG.

Evans at PG since I think he's played most his career there and King fans seem to define him as one, with Thornton the expected SG starter once resigned. I'll add him to the PG list.

I think I'll end this one...and keep on.

Reke played pretty much exclusively at shooting guard this year and more shooting guard then point by a solid margin in his rookie year.

[Trader_Joe]

For the positional differences....

I'm trying to go with where players' started and generally played a majority of their minutes.
Thus DD, George, Wes are at SG.

Evans at PG since I think he's played most his career there and King fans seem to define him as one, with Thornton the expected SG starter once resigned. I'll add him to the PG list.

I think I'll end this one...and keep on.

Reke played pretty much exclusively at shooting guard this year and more shooting guard then point by a solid margin in his rookie year.

I see that on 82 games.. but I don't know with Udrih gone and Thornton presumably resigned.
Meanwhile, his PER was double at PG than SG (27 vs. 13)... granted it's a small sample.

[HartfordWhalers]

For the positional differences....

I'm trying to go with where players' started and generally played a majority of their minutes.
Thus DD, George, Wes are at SG.

Evans at PG since I think he's played most his career there and King fans seem to define him as one, with Thornton the expected SG starter once resigned. I'll add him to the PG list.

I think I'll end this one...and keep on.

Reke played pretty much exclusively at shooting guard this year and more shooting guard then point by a solid margin in his rookie year.

I see that on 82 games.. but I don't know with Udrih gone and Thornton presumably resigned.
Meanwhile, his PER was double at PG than SG (27 vs. 13)... granted it's a small sample.

Small sample? It is nearly microscopic. Evans didn't play pg in any of his top 20 lineups. He logged twice as much time at sf as he did pg. Meanwhile, Thornton isn't resigned and Jimmer was just drafted to play pg. Tyreke may turn out to be nothing more then an over glorified Stuckey... but it is hard to see him not being considered here.

[Laowai]

Kobe at #3?

Seriously? He's not the player he once was, injuries and stacking up, he's getting older, and his salary is huge.

Someone is seriously wrong about him. Might be me. Might be you. Might just be that the SG field is crap. But, I don't think Kobe should be in the top 5.

Kobe's salary is a true negative with a new CBA paying 25, 27, 30 million over next 3 years will likely be 1/2 the cap space. No player is worth that.

[orangeparka]

I'm surprised Evans isn't higher. He had a bad year, but he'll bounce back.

[KF10]

I'm surprised Evans isn't higher. He had a bad year, but he'll bounce back.

Agreed.

But, oh well.

[dockingsched]

there is no way i even slightly consider derozan over evans in trade value. i'm kinda shocked by both evans dropping and derozan already getting voted in.

[Trader_Joe]

there is no way i even slightly consider derozan over evans in trade value. i'm kinda shocked by both evans dropping and derozan already getting voted in.

I added Evans in late, originally planning his inclusion for PGs.

[dockingsched]

haha, ok,

2nd statement still stands!

[andyo]

I'm honestly very surprised people value Eric Gordon that highly...

[vincecarter4pres]

I'm honestly very surprised people value Eric Gordon that highly...

Why's that?

[FNQ]

I dont know why I didnt pay attn to this thread, only the PG one.

I would have gone

Wade
Gordon
Ellis
Harden
Evans


for my top 5. and to be honest, I might not even value Kobe in the top 10. His salary alone is practically impossible to match, and when a team does, they have to add value on top? I dunno about that. Kobe might actually be untradeable. A 3-83 contract will do that.


1 and 2 were easy, 3 and 4 could be easily interchangable - Monta/Harden - and 5-8 for me was a lot of coin flipping between Evans, George, and DeRozan. 9th IMO would be Gino, 10th probably Wes Johnson or even Rodrgiue Bar.. the Dallas kid. Maybe Ray Allen, but a lot of that value is that he's an expiring.

[theboomking]

Nick Young ought to be on that list. IMHO, he has more value than OJ Mayo, Even Turner, and Wesley Johnson. P George is a SF. Ginobli is a beast, but probably only has a lot of value for contending teams given his age and contract.

[vincecarter4pres]

Nick Young is a low impact chucker and he's a restircted FA, he does not have high value.

He had to basically shoot the lights out to maintain a touch above average efficiency.

On his best days he's an average defender and doesn't understand the word pass.

[theboomking]

Nick Young is a low impact chucker and he's a restircted FA, he does not have high value.

He had to basically shoot the lights out to maintain a touch above average efficiency.

On his best days he's an average defender and doesn't understand the word pass.

All possibly true, but, we're comparing Young to Turner and Johnson, who aren't as good as Young and are only possible more attractive because they are younger, and Mayo, who isn't very good either. Young at least should be attractive to a team like the Bulls, that is close to championship level, and needs someone that can get his own shot and hit from the perimeter with accuracy.

You're quote from above might also be true of Ellis BTW. Ellis has terrible on/off stats for the Warriors. They look no better with him on the court than off, and Ellis makes a good bit of money.

[nevetsov]

If we are Talking purely in terms of 'trade value', wouldn't Vince Carter need to be considered here?

He represents an INSTANTANEOUS $14million dollar salary savings by virtue of his extended buyout deadline, and with the uncertainty of the looming CBA most teams could be looking to ditch heavy salary, which usually attracts picks/ young prospects as sweetener.

[HartfordWhalers]

If we are Talking purely in terms of 'trade value', wouldn't Vince Carter need to be considered here?

He represents an INSTANTANEOUS $14million dollar salary savings by virtue of his extended buyout deadline, and with the uncertainty of the looming CBA most teams could be looking to ditch heavy salary, which usually attracts picks/ young prospects as sweetener.

Vince carter has less value then a TPE. You need to pay him 4 million dollars to not play. If we get to the point where people are voting for players who you would pay 5 million dollars to get out of their contracts, then it would be time for him. Because those are the people that Vince can get in a trade.

But I don't think we are there yet. I think we first need to get past Adam Hanga.

[FNQ]

If we are Talking purely in terms of 'trade value', wouldn't Vince Carter need to be considered here?

He represents an INSTANTANEOUS $14million dollar salary savings by virtue of his extended buyout deadline, and with the uncertainty of the looming CBA most teams could be looking to ditch heavy salary, which usually attracts picks/ young prospects as sweetener.

Vince carter has less value then a TPE. You need to pay him 4 million dollars to not play. If we get to the point where people are voting for players who you would pay 5 million dollars to get out of their contracts, then it would be time for him. Because those are the people that Vince can get in a trade.

But I don't think we are there yet. I think we first need to get past Adam Hanga.

I think nevetsov has a fantastic point, something we all overlooked.

Vince absolutely has more value than a TPE. Most teams with capspace are looking to get something for free, and aren't usually looking to trade with it. The only problem is, its a niche market. The only teams that are going to be in on him are teams that want to get out of the luxury tax, or teams that are already or very close to the salary cap line. But to those teams, that capspace/lux tax room can be incredibly valuable. Thats exactly what landed the Mavericks Tyson Chandler, taking advantage of the Bobcats desire to get out from under the luxury tax.

He's like an expiring +, and I think a lot of GMs in the league would value that over middling prospects, which is where we are at 10 and beyond as far as SGs go.

I'd consider putting him 11th on this list, but 10th on my list. Still can't believe Kobe at 3