Training Camp Thread

emunney · Post #381 » by **emunney** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:11 pm

SI_PeterKing Peter King
RT @PSchrags: In an SEC loaded with receivers last year--Julio, AJ, Terrence Toliver, Alson Jefrey--Cobb was most dynamic and multi-threat.

Wow.

LUKE23 · Post #382 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:11 pm

With Jones re-signing, Cobb's emergence, and the need to re-up Finley and Sitton, I guess I'll be more surprised if we re-sign Nelson than if we don't. Even if we lost Nelson next year, we'd still have Finley/Jennings/Jones/Cobb/Driver/Williams as our top 6 passing targets, not including the draft.

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #383 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:12 pm

I'm really not a fan of moving Raji away from Nose. I know his sack numbers are deflated but I think that everybody else's numbers are inflated because of it. Even if Raji doesn't get the sack, he takes away the QBs ability to step up in the pocket because he's pushed his guy a few yards into the backfield, without that push I think we see a little less success from our edge rushers this year.

On the other hand, what the hell do I know?

LUKE23 · Post #384 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:14 pm

Bucksfans1and2 wrote:I'm really not a fan of moving Raji away from Nose. I know his sack numbers are deflated but I think that everybody else's numbers are inflated because of it. Even if Raji doesn't get the sack, he takes away the QBs ability to step up in the pocket because he's pushed his guy a few yards into the backfield, without that push I think we see a little less success from our edge rushers this year.

On the other hand, what the hell do I know?

I agree on the inside push, but with Pickett, he can just stand up the middle of the pocket while we bring more pass rush from the outside. That forces more QB scrambles, maybe more chances for INT's. I agree Pickett doesn't get the push back Raji does, but he also doesn't get moved at NT. He basically just stands people up. If Neal is a legit pass rusher, we'd be bringing him, Raji, and Matthews off the edge. That is a ton for defenses to deal with and that isn't even counting exotic looks by Woodson.

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #385 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:14 pm

LUKE23 wrote:With Jones re-signing, Cobb's emergence, and the need to re-up Finley and Sitton, I guess I'll be more surprised if we re-sign Nelson than if we don't. Even if we lost Nelson next year, we'd still have Finley/Jennings/Jones/Cobb/Driver/Williams as our top 6 passing targets, not including the draft.

As much as it sucks to say, I think Driver's got to go. From my understanding Jones got about equal to Driver's deal. If the oppurtunity arises to sign Jordy at the expense of Driver, you have to do it.

Bucksfans1and2 · Post #386 » by **Bucksfans1and2** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:17 pm

LUKE23 wrote:
Bucksfans1and2 wrote:I'm really not a fan of moving Raji away from Nose. I know his sack numbers are deflated but I think that everybody else's numbers are inflated because of it. Even if Raji doesn't get the sack, he takes away the QBs ability to step up in the pocket because he's pushed his guy a few yards into the backfield, without that push I think we see a little less success from our edge rushers this year.

On the other hand, what the hell do I know?

I agree on the inside push, but with Pickett, he can just stand up the middle of the pocket while we bring more pass rush from the outside. That forces more QB scrambles, maybe more chances for INT's. I agree Pickett doesn't get the push back Raji does, but he also doesn't get moved at NT. He basically just stands people up. If Neal is a legit pass rusher, we'd be bringing him, Raji, and Matthews off the edge. That is a ton for defenses to deal with and that isn't even counting exotic looks by Woodson.

I get what you're saying but you can credit every single sack that Zombo got this year to pressure up the middle from Raji, or Jenkings in the 2-4-5 front. Taking those sacks away from a defense is something I'm hesitant to do, even if it means getting possibly more sacks elsewhere. It's hard to forsee with the loss of Jenkins though.

LUKE23 · Post #387 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:27 pm

One other thing to keep in mind is that while we may change our "base" D, our "base" D is really the nickel, which only features two DL. Either way, I fully trust Dom Capers, and I like moving Raji to a spot where he can create more pass rush opportunities.

jimmybones · Post #388 » by **jimmybones** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 2:30 pm

Well this won't effect the two man front at all. It seems like this has some to do with wanting to get Pickett off an island on the outside, he just can't play in space. I also think if Pickett is one on one with a center then he can get some push too. If teams have to double Pickett in the middle when we have Raji, Neal, Mathews, and Walden all coming at them...

Agree with Luke, we play a ton of nickel or even one lineman...psycho package

chuckleslove · Post #389 » by **chuckleslove** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 4:05 pm

I'm sure Peter King will have more to write up about his trip to Green Bay yesterday in particular his interview with Josh Sitton but here are some quick thoughts he had:

http://peterking.si.com/2011/08/10/pack ... f-lambeau/

LUKE23 · Post #390 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:41 pm

http://www.acmepackingcompany.com/

I don't know if this will really happen, the Packers first depth chart of the season still lists Raji at nose tackle and Pickett at defensive end, but the potential move does make some sense.

My first thought is that they're doing this for the pass rush. Last season, they switched the side LB Clay Matthews played on to move him away from DE Cullen Jenkins. They wanted their two best pass rushers on opposite sides. Now they're moving B.J. Raji from the left side to the right, again away from Matthews, because Raji has emerged as their second best pass rusher.

Part of the article said this rotation might help Ryan Pickett to move back inside where he "probably is most effective" but the key for Pickett is to stay healthy no matter what spot he lines up at. There is a legitimate concern that DE Mike Neal is a little undersized to play on the strong side, but he didn't look out of place when he lined up on that side last season.

They also appear to be leaning towards playing Neal and Raji as the two down lineman on passing downs. I would expect they are their best pass rushing defensive lineman, so that isn't a big surprise

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Makes a lot of sense to me.

Wilford Brimley · Post #391 » by **Wilford Brimley** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:54 pm

So this year it might be:

Neal-Pickett-Raji

What was it last year again?

Wilford Brimley · Post #392 » by **Wilford Brimley** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 5:55 pm

Also, if its:

Neal-Pickett-Raji

Do we just throw Matthews on one side, and Walden on the other? :droop:

LUKE23 · Post #393 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:48 pm

Random fun fact, in 2010 for Packers:

Wins (14): +15.2 PPG
Losses (6): -3.3 PPG

Wilford Brimley · Post #394 » by **Wilford Brimley** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 6:55 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Random fun fact, in 2010 for Packers:

Wins (14): +15.2 PPG
Losses (6): -3.3 PPG

LikeABosh · Post #395 » by **LikeABosh** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:03 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Random fun fact, in 2010 for Packers:

Wins (14): +15.2 PPG
Losses (6): -3.3 PPG

And people say we were lucky to make the playoffs....

Just wondering, but who came in 2nd? I wanna say New England

skones · Post #396 » by **skones** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:35 pm

Any writer who make excuses like some have been 'we were this lucky event away from not making the playoffs' and blah blah blah, must also recognize we were a premature Calvin Johnson celebration from winning the Division.

TheMove · Post #397 » by **TheMove** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:38 pm

I like to see any team with injurys like the Packers last year even make the playoffs. 2 loses alone from Rodgers not playing. Yet alone go on the road and than win the super bowl and crush teams.

LikeABosh · Post #398 » by **LikeABosh** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 7:51 pm

20 points...that's the total number of points we lost by for the entire season plus playoffs...I find that awesome.

jimmybones · Post #399 » by **jimmybones** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 10:56 pm

Wilford Brimley wrote:So this year it might be:

Neal-Pickett-Raji

What was it last year again?

I think last year was:

ROLB -------- Hawk--------Bishop-------Matthews
--------Jenkins---------Raji---------Pickett

With this year being:

Walden -------- Hawk--------Bishop-------Matthews
--------Raji-------Pickett--------Neal

Raji taking Jenkins spot. The article made it sound like Neal will be taking a spot of holding the point of attack more, which makes sense to line him up in front of Matthews. It also makes sense to have Raji on the opposite side of that. I think a big part of this is faith in Neal to have the strength to take up blocks but also to prove much more quickness to the sideline to help on run plays/scrambles than Pickett would have. Pickett in space is bad, Pickett eating blockers alive is good. I like this.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #400 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Wed Aug 10, 2011 11:06 pm

I really like the new line up. I wanted Pickett to stay at NT last year but didn't complain because Raji caused some serious disruption in the backfield from the NT position and we ended up winning the Superb Owl.