GilmoreFan wrote:SDChargers#1 wrote:I disagree about Kobe. I don't know where you are getting this idea that he is going to drop that far. He made the initial 10 nominations, and no one has really mentioned him negatively except for you in the threads so far, so it is essentially your personal preference. My guess is Kobe goes 10th.
Also I don't think there is any way that Lebron makes top 15. Though he is essentially guaranteed that spot by the end of his career, at this point he just isn't there yet.
You're going to be very disappointed my friend. I've already counted about half the voters who have Kobe firmly outside their top 10 (myself, ElGee, Gongxi, Warspite, Penbeast, Mysticbb, Drza, Laimbeer, Baller24, Sedale Threat, FJS, David Stern, rraverred, vinsanity, and others, some who have him well outside the 10), and even some of those who had him in the top 10 like Doc MJ will likely end up voting him out by virtue of the bizarre selections they had (for instance, Doc MJ has Kobe in his 10, but no Wilt, and ranks KG in there, assumedly above Kobe if I read him right, so since Wilt is invariably going to make it... well, you do the math). In fact, I can see only 10 voters who definitely have Kobe in their top 10, and of the 5 who said where they had him rated he was 10th, 10th, 9th, 9th, and 6th (that's you btw). Kobe's only real support is going to be coming from his hardcore fanbase; yourself (and you admit you're somewhat biased towards him), "unbiased fan", black feet and Jay from LA (who has him 9th).
Kobe made the initial 10 because:
a) Less people voted for the nomination process than for the actual first vote (which is where the list has been generated from), and
b) because he had a plurality, but not a majority, whereas the other top 9 had almost universal support (I think Wilt didn't make 2 lists, and Hakeem missed 1, but otherwise they were on basically every list).
I've been looking at the current voting patterns and pulling some of the data on people's top 10's, and it seems a foregone conclusion he loses to Dr J, not to mention the extremely high possibility he's behind Moses, Karl Malone and KG (where Kobe is really bleeding votes).
I think he'll probably hold out against Lebron (for now), and will stay ahead of West and Oscar, but it's not a lock or anything, which is why (for everyone's sake) it would have been kinder for the initial nomination process to take the consensus 9, rather than sneak Kobe in at 10, when he hasn't a hope of getting in anytime soon.
@ Wilt falling like this.