Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock)

[JF5]

I don't see a trade going down involving Dwight going to the Bulls without Derrick Rose coming in return....

The Bulls don't really have any young core guys the Magic would build with.

Pretty much Oklahoma or Nothing... That's just me.

Plus, some of you guys are wanting to trade away Arenas and Howard. First of all, There isn't any possible deal in which would be fair for the Magic. Because if you do that, you get a whole bunch of dead weight players along in a trade in which won't stick around for the Magic's future plans. Aswell as the fact that people forget that Gil only has 2 years left after the 2011-2012 season (Which there probably won't be a season anyways). You make it seem like we are stuck with him for the next 4-5 years. He could be used as a trading chip in the final 2 years of his contract for young players. So I don't see why some are in a rush to trade him.

[Hotshot Hower]

I don't see a trade going down involving Dwight going to the Bulls without Derrick Rose coming in return....

The Bulls don't really have any young core guys the Magic would build with.

Pretty much Oklahoma or Nothing... That's just me.

Plus, some of you guys are wanting to trade away Arenas and Howard. First of all, There isn't any possible deal in which would be fair for the Magic. Because if you do that, you get a whole bunch of dead weight players along in a trade in which won't stick around for the Magic's future plans. Aswell as the fact that people forget that Gil only has 2 years left after the 2011-2012 season (Which there probably won't be a season anyways). You make it seem like we are stuck with him for the next 4-5 years. He could be used as a trading chip in the final 2 years of his contract for young players. So I don't see why some are in a rush to trade him.

If we want to unload Howard & Areans we have to look at the teams that are already over the cap. In my previous posts it's really OKC or bust, but if we want to unload Areans & maybe Turk (w/ Dwight), then I think Dallas, Atlanta, or even Portland would be an ideal situation for both parties as all those teams could absorb Arenas, and of course Dwight.

In Dallas there's a re-signed Tyson Chandler & Roddy Beaubois that could be the start of some package that may fit Orlando's interests.

In Atlanta there's new ownership and of course, it's Dwight's hometown. So a Joe Johnson, Al Horford, and Marvin (or Hinrich) type-deal for Arenas & Dwight would be tolerable. Of course, ATL throws in some Future 1st's to sweeten the pot/bid.

In Portland there's LaMarcus Aldridge, Gerald Wallace, Batum and Oden. I'd even consider an Arenas for Roy swap straight-up. Though if Dwight goes here, Alrdridge has to be the start of the proposed deal. There's a few possibilities here.

All in all there's some places besides OKC & the forever mentioned Los Angeles Lakers where he could/want to end up.

[Blue_and_Whte]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5919369
Jameer
JJ
Hedo
picks
Involve a third team to take Ariza
imo Paul has less incentive to re-sign than Dwight does..

[cb1115]

http://basketball.realgm.com/tradechecker/saved_trade/5919369
Jameer
JJ
Hedo
picks
Involve a third team to take Ariza
imo Paul has less incentive to re-sign than Dwight does..

That's nowhere near enough to get Chris Paul.

This is about as good as we can do, and it's still probably not enough:

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=3vwzsbz

[Ruhiel]

^^Atlanta doesnt make that trade. They like Hinrich, because he can also play some SG, especially with Jamal on the way out. And Horford is a better player than Perkins. Perkins defensive value is severely overrated.

I also cant see OKC sending out that many players. If OKC deals with us, i envision them offering something like this:

From Orlando: Dwight+Bass+Duhon

From OKC:RW+Ibaka+Perkins+Aldrich+Nate Rob+Dequan Cook.

Presti is just too smart. Look over their roster and contracts, he isnt going to take Arenas, he isnt going to take Turk

They've been very desperate for center who can defend in the post (which Horford can't do) for a few years. Yes, Perk's D is a bit overvalued and yes, Horford can rebound but he's more of a [5 who can pick and pop]. Dwight has killed him night-in and night-out, which is why we saw them use Jason fricken Collins and Zaza, so just ask their fans lol Also, they really can't afford to keep both Horford and Josh Smith. (both making $12M this season and Drew wants to use Smoove @ the 4).

Smith at the 4 means Marvin Williams or maybe some budet old guy is the SF. no thx.
Ideally Smith is the sf and ATL gets a inside out scoring 4. We get another bench SF and Marvin goes to bench and finally gets to be a big post up guard. He's more on guys like JJ Redick's level, where he can defend and post up and shoot over them etc.

Or they can trade Smith for a center and start Marvin Williams hoping for yet another season he becomes a go to guy like Paul Pierce or Kevin Durant.

[BadMofoPimp]

tiderulz wrote:

I also cant see OKC sending out that many players. If OKC deals with us, i envision them offering something like this:

From Orlando: Dwight+Bass+Duhon

From OKC:RW+Ibaka+Perkins+Aldrich+Nate Rob+Dequan Cook.

Presti is just too smart. Look over their roster and contracts, he isnt going to take Arenas, he isnt going to take Turk

That is absolutely horrible for the Magic. No way they would do that trade and Otis would make history as the worst GM all time there.

No way Magic trade Dwight with Bass while keeping Hedo and Arenas. hahahaha

[Hotshot Hower]

Latest "rumor" from the Hawks board..

Rather than losing Dwight ORL trades Superman + Duhon (salary dump) to ATL for Horford, Zaza and Marvin and 2 future 1st picks

viewtopic.php?f=7&t=1128599&p=28736448#p28736448

SmhLol @ this one!..

[tiderulz]

tiderulz wrote:

I also cant see OKC sending out that many players. If OKC deals with us, i envision them offering something like this:

From Orlando: Dwight+Bass+Duhon

From OKC:RW+Ibaka+Perkins+Aldrich+Nate Rob+Dequan Cook.

Presti is just too smart. Look over their roster and contracts, he isnt going to take Arenas, he isnt going to take Turk

That is absolutely horrible for the Magic. No way they would do that trade and Otis would make history as the worst GM all time there.

No way Magic trade Dwight with Bass while keeping Hedo and Arenas. hahahaha

i didnt say it was a good trade, and didnt say i would do it. I said that is something i could see OKC offering. Presti works his teams very well, from assets to contracts, etc.

[BadMofoPimp]

tiderulz wrote:

I also cant see OKC sending out that many players. If OKC deals with us, i envision them offering something like this:

From Orlando: Dwight+Bass+Duhon

From OKC:RW+Ibaka+Perkins+Aldrich+Nate Rob+Dequan Cook.

Presti is just too smart. Look over their roster and contracts, he isnt going to take Arenas, he isnt going to take Turk

That is absolutely horrible for the Magic. No way they would do that trade and Otis would make history as the worst GM all time there.

No way Magic trade Dwight with Bass while keeping Hedo and Arenas. hahahaha

i didnt say it was a good trade, and didnt say i would do it. I said that is something i could see OKC offering. Presti works his teams very well, from assets to contracts, etc.

Sorry to be rude on that one. Maybe I got caught up in the moment of laughter. But, Presti would work his teams well if he got away with trades like that, as well as Otis.

The problem with this one is that Bass has a favorable contract and is an asset throughout the league because of this. Thus, Magic got to get rid of worse contracts to help their roster if they lose Dwight.

Thus, there would be a 3rd team involved to take contracts like Meer, Hedo, Arenas, Duhon.

But, trading Dwight and leaving a team stuck with Arenas and Hedo for 3 more years would be suicide for an organization.

[Bensational]

i've had a decent break from trades, this board, and basketball in general, but i've found my way back here again and i can't help but continue to wrack my brains over trade ideas. the latest:

TOR
in: Nelson, RJ, Anderson
out: Bargs, Calderon, Amir

POR
in: Bargs, Bass
out: Camby, Batum

ORL
in: Batum, Camby, Calderon, Amir
out: Nelson, Turk, Anderson, Bass

SAS
in: Hedo
out: RJ

Dwight/Camby
Amir/Harper
Batum/QRich
JJ/Liggins
Calderon/Duhon

use the amnesty clause on Arenas. now, (operating under the assumption that there IS an amnesty clause AND that it applies to the cap, not just luxury tax) with this deal alone, it would put us at roughly $40-45M. make a couple extra moves, and we could wipe QRich and Duhon (or, at least downsize their deals), so we can have room to retain JJ's bird rights AND sign a max FA.

do i think this team is winning a championship next year? no. i think it would be lucky if it made it past the 2nd round. however, i still think it would be very competitive. for starters, we've got guys who can play defense on the perimeter, and we've got a PG with great passing ability - which means more easy buckets for Dwight and the rest of the crew. we've got another solid defensive anchor in the middle, who can team up with Dwight in clutch defensive moments and put an interior on freeze. throw in a couple more one year signings (Landry/KMart/Battier/etc), and we're looking solid.

best of all, at the end of next season Dwight has the room to go recruit is preferred star. or, if he leaves, we're in great financial shape to rebuild, AND, we have the young assets of Amir and Batum to build around.

--- edit: changed deal to include Anderson going to Toronto for Amir, because it seemed too heavily in our favour. although, the original deal DID clear a big chunk of cap space for them down the line, this does as well, plus gives them a nice young big man to build around.

[BadMofoPimp]

i've had a decent break from trades, this board, and basketball in general, but i've found my way back here again and i can't help but continue to wrack my brains over trade ideas. the latest:

TOR
in: Nelson, RJ, Anderson
out: Bargs, Calderon, Amir

POR
in: Bargs, Bass
out: Camby, Batum

ORL
in: Batum, Camby, Calderon, Amir
out: Nelson, Turk, Anderson, Bass

SAS
in: Hedo
out: RJ

Dwight/Camby
Amir/Harper
Batum/QRich
JJ/Liggins
Calderon/Duhon

use the amnesty clause on Arenas. now, (operating under the assumption that there IS an amnesty clause AND that it applies to the cap, not just luxury tax) with this deal alone, it would put us at roughly $40-45M. make a couple extra moves, and we could wipe QRich and Duhon (or, at least downsize their deals), so we can have room to retain JJ's bird rights AND sign a max FA.

do i think this team is winning a championship next year? no. i think it would be lucky if it made it past the 2nd round. however, i still think it would be very competitive. for starters, we've got guys who can play defense on the perimeter, and we've got a PG with great passing ability - which means more easy buckets for Dwight and the rest of the crew. we've got another solid defensive anchor in the middle, who can team up with Dwight in clutch defensive moments and put an interior on freeze. throw in a couple more one year signings (Landry/KMart/Battier/etc), and we're looking solid.

best of all, at the end of next season Dwight has the room to go recruit is preferred star. or, if he leaves, we're in great financial shape to rebuild, AND, we have the young assets of Amir and Batum to build around.

--- edit: changed deal to include Anderson going to Toronto for Amir, because it seemed too heavily in our favour. although, the original deal DID clear a big chunk of cap space for them down the line, this does as well, plus gives them a nice young big man to build around.

Personally:

Nelson, Turk, Anderson, Bass >>> Batum, Camby, Calderon, Amir

I like Calderon & Camby and their shorter contracts.

But, Batum has yet to establish himself as a consistent starter. I think he is overrated. People hype him up too much which surprises me. Because, he has moments, but not complete games. Thus, I think QRich would definitely be a starter.

Amir is worse than Bass or Anderson. Thus, he gets paid more than both combined.

But, to cut costs, sure it would work. But, PF would be way too weak as Amir is no starter. This would be an interesting lineup.

[Blue_and_Whte]

i've had a decent break from trades, this board, and basketball in general, but i've found my way back here again and i can't help but continue to wrack my brains over trade ideas. the latest:

TOR
in: Nelson, RJ, Anderson
out: Bargs, Calderon, Amir

POR
in: Bargs, Bass
out: Camby, Batum

ORL
in: Batum, Camby, Calderon, Amir
out: Nelson, Turk, Anderson, Bass

SAS
in: Hedo
out: RJ

Dwight/Camby
Amir/Harper
Batum/QRich
JJ/Liggins
Calderon/Duhon

use the amnesty clause on Arenas. now, (operating under the assumption that there IS an amnesty clause AND that it applies to the cap, not just luxury tax) with this deal alone, it would put us at roughly $40-45M. make a couple extra moves, and we could wipe QRich and Duhon (or, at least downsize their deals), so we can have room to retain JJ's bird rights AND sign a max FA.

do i think this team is winning a championship next year? no. i think it would be lucky if it made it past the 2nd round. however, i still think it would be very competitive. for starters, we've got guys who can play defense on the perimeter, and we've got a PG with great passing ability - which means more easy buckets for Dwight and the rest of the crew. we've got another solid defensive anchor in the middle, who can team up with Dwight in clutch defensive moments and put an interior on freeze. throw in a couple more one year signings (Landry/KMart/Battier/etc), and we're looking solid.

best of all, at the end of next season Dwight has the room to go recruit is preferred star. or, if he leaves, we're in great financial shape to rebuild, AND, we have the young assets of Amir and Batum to build around.

--- edit: changed deal to include Anderson going to Toronto for Amir, because it seemed too heavily in our favour. although, the original deal DID clear a big chunk of cap space for them down the line, this does as well, plus gives them a nice young big man to build around.

Personally:

Nelson, Turk, Anderson, Bass >>> Batum, Camby, Calderon, Amir

I like Calderon & Camby and their shorter contracts.

But, Batum has yet to establish himself as a consistent starter. I think he is overrated. People hype him up too much which surprises me. Because, he has moments, but not complete games. Thus, I think QRich would definitely be a starter.

Amir is worse than Bass or Anderson. Thus, he gets paid more than both combined.

But, to cut costs, sure it would work. But, PF would be way too weak as Amir is no starter. This would be an interesting lineup.

It would be a nice move to clear cap space for the forseeable future which the more I think about it, should be the focus by the FO because honestly I dont think we're winning a championship next year. In terms of talent I dont think that team get's very far. I think Batum and Amir are completely overrated as well, and I dont think JJ is a starter tbh. Of course I understand the purpose of such a move is to clear cap space so I dont think it would matter whos overrated or not. However if Dwight left I dont think Batum or Amir are nice players to build around. They're just role players imo.

[BadMofoPimp]

At least the Magic would rebuild without Arenas and Turk taking up salary.

But, I am not sure Spurs would trade RJ for Turk.

and

Toronto thinks Bargs is their superstar. Thus, I don't think that may be enough. Who knows though.

Would love to see Dwight and Bargs together.

TOR Bargs, Calderon, Amir
for
Orlando: Nelson, Anderson, Bass, Jrich (S & T)

[The Magic Man]

What about Joe Johnson?

Nelson,Jrich,Redick for Johnson,Williams

pg:Arenas,Duhon
sg:Joe,Liggins
sf:Turk,Williams,Qrich
pf:Anderson,Bass,Harper
c:Dwight

Johnson would be the best perimeter player Dwight has played with in his career.

[Blue_and_Whte]

What about Joe Johnson?

Nelson,Jrich,Redick for Johnson,Williams

pg:Arenas,Duhon
sg:Joe,Liggins
sf:Turk,Williams,Qrich
pf:Anderson,Bass,Harper
c:Dwight

Johnson would be the best perimeter player Dwight has played with in his career.

Joe wouldn't do enough to get this team over the hump. He's yet another ball dominant player in addition to Turk and Gil . I think they need more athletic players, Id rather they go after Josh smith or Iggy.

[Blue_and_Whte]

What about Joe Johnson?

Nelson,Jrich,Redick for Johnson,Williams

pg:Arenas,Duhon
sg:Joe,Liggins
sf:Turk,Williams,Qrich
pf:Anderson,Bass,Harper
c:Dwight

Johnson would be the best perimeter player Dwight has played with in his career.

Joe wouldn't do enough to get this team over the hump. He's yet another ball dominant player in addition to Turk and Gil . I think they need more athletic players, Id rather they go after Josh smith or Iggy.

[Bensational]

At least the Magic would rebuild without Arenas and Turk taking up salary.

But, I am not sure Spurs would trade RJ for Turk.

and

Toronto thinks Bargs is their superstar. Thus, I don't think that may be enough. Who knows though.

Would love to see Dwight and Bargs together.

TOR Bargs, Calderon, Amir
for
Orlando: Nelson, Anderson, Bass, Jrich (S & T)

I don't see Batum or Amir being superstar additions, but I see them as younger, more willing players who have something to prove and will come to play every night, unlike Turk/Bass/Anderson. I agree that Nelson/Turk/Anderson/Bass have more talent than Camby/Calderon/Batum/Amir, but I also think they suffer from either bad attitudes, low IQ and declining abilities - if not a combination of those.

The young guys, on the other hand, have a much higher ceiling and defensive potential. IMO, they would blossom under Stan. They may not blossom to the point that they win us as many games as the previous lineup, but they would certainly raise their value and become valuable trade assets should we need to rebuild or trade for a sidekick for Dwight.

The biggest advantage of this move would be the cap space. The second biggest would be the addition of a solid passer/playmaker. The third would be the scoring falling on to Dwight and JJ (IMO, this team needs less balanced scoring and more high volume scoring from particular players).

As for SAS trading Turk for RJ, maybe/maybe not. Pop is a big fan of Turk, if my memory serves me correctly, and RJ isnt doing much for them.

Bargs isn't a superstar. He's what you would get if you gave Anderson the primary scoring role and a greenlight to shoot.

[BadMofoPimp]

Don't get me wrong, I would do the trade if only to reduce cap space. I agree with most of what you said with the exception of Amir. He really doesn't have that fire you talk about with young guys. I have seen him play since his rookie season and Pistons had already given up on him while he just signed a multiyear contract. What I do like about Amir and Dwight together is Amir has a decent midrange shot. But, I think he is a step down from either Bass or Anderson.

I think the way Anderson is progressing, he can really contribute as he continues to develop. Amir is topped out.

[Blue_and_Whte]

tiderulz wrote:

I also cant see OKC sending out that many players. If OKC deals with us, i envision them offering something like this:

From Orlando: Dwight+Bass+Duhon

From OKC:RW+Ibaka+Perkins+Aldrich+Nate Rob+Dequan Cook.

Presti is just too smart. Look over their roster and contracts, he isnt going to take Arenas, he isnt going to take Turk

That is absolutely horrible for the Magic. No way they would do that trade and Otis would make history as the worst GM all time there.

No way Magic trade Dwight with Bass while keeping Hedo and Arenas. hahahaha

i didnt say it was a good trade, and didnt say i would do it. I said that is something i could see OKC offering. Presti works his teams very well, from assets to contracts, etc.

Is Presti really that good of a GM? iirc, outside of Durant and Perk most of his core group are on their rookie contracts....Westbrook's rookie is contract is up after next season, Harden, Ibaka, Maynor's all end after the 12/13 season. Lets see what happends when he actually has to start paying these guys.

EDIT: Excercised contract options. On Maynor, Serge, Harden. I dont know, Perkins didnt show up/injured so he re-signs him to a deal? the contracts currently are fairly easy to manage well see how it all unfolds when he has to keep all those guys together.

[tiderulz]

Is Presti really that good of a GM? iirc, outside of Durant and Perk most of his core group are on their rookie contracts....Westbrook's rookie is contract is up after next season, Harden, Ibaka, Maynor's all end after the 12/13 season. Lets see what happends when he actually has to start paying these guys.

EDIT: Excercised contract options. On Maynor, Serge, Harden. I dont know, Perkins didnt show up/injured so he re-signs him to a deal? the contracts currently are fairly easy to manage well see how it all unfolds when he has to keep all those guys together.

i can agree with that. But he also is a bit proactive. Unlike our GM here, when he wasnt positive on Green, he didnt let the market set the price and have to match, he used him to get another asset needed by the team. I agree that we will have to see how he handles players coming off their rookie contracts. He was creative with Collison in keeping him in the fold (who is a really good role player), and seems to have an eye for identifying talent with draft picks.