Training Camp Thread

chuckleslove · Post #581 » by **chuckleslove** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 1:09 pm

If you are ignoring McGinn's opinions that is your loss. He is one of the most respected and unbiased beat reporters in the entire NFL hence why he won the McCann award this year.

Post #582 » by **Wade-A-Holic** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 3:25 pm

I think McGinn is pretty damn good at what he does. Definitely knows a lot more than I ever will. His draft prognostication has been better than most guys who dedicate themselves to it year round, and he does a very good job dissecting film and grading performances. While the entire national media was parroting how lucky the Packers were for Jarrett Bush's pick in the Super Bowl, McGinn wrote that Bush recognized the route combination, peeled off his guy, and took a chance.

Post #583 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:41 pm

Both TEs Crabtree and Taylor are on the No. 1 kickoff coverage unit.

Badgerlander · Post #584 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 4:52 pm

No. 1 Koff cover team: Collins, RTaylor, Crabtree, Smith, BJones, Crosby, Bush, Lee, Francois, Peprah, Shields

No. 1 KO return: Bush, Francois, Crabtree, BJones, Lee, RTaylor, A. Green, Smith, Kuhn, Nelson and Cobb as return man

Bush, Francois, Crabtree, RTaylor, BJones on both (53 man roster?..)

jimmybones · Post #585 » by **jimmybones** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:20 pm

I'd have to think Crabtree and Taylor are competing for one spot. Any chance they think Williams can be stashed on the practice squad? I can't see Quarless or Williams getting cut and Taylor and Crabtree seems kinda repetitive (you know, white TEs....).

LUKE23 · Post #586 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 5:22 pm

jimmybones wrote:I'd have to think Crabtree and Taylor are competing for one spot. Any chance they think Williams can be stashed on the practice squad? I can't see Quarless or Williams getting cut and Taylor and Crabtree seems kinda repetitive (you know, white TEs....).

I agree. I will be surprised if both Crabtree and Taylor make the 53.

Post #587 » by **ReasonablySober** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 6:02 pm

I think both find a way to make it, and perhaps Quinn gets cut. Ryan Taylor's thing is pass catching and special teams. Crabtree is a blocker and good on S/T. If they keep the 53 best players, both should make it.

BUCKnation · Post #588 » by **BUCKnation** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:07 pm

I can see then keeping 4 TEs and putting Taylor on the PS. Taylor has a good chance of making it to the PS if he doesnt make the 53.

LUKE23 · Post #589 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:15 pm

TomSilverstein:
MM: Mike Neal is day to day. No scan necessary.

emunney · Post #590 » by **emunney** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:19 pm

To hear MM talk, you'd think Lang would be the starter at LG if the season started today.

LUKE23 · Post #591 » by **LUKE23** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:22 pm

Yeah, I've expected that for a while, what would be interesting to see is who the first bench OT would be if Clifton or Bulaga went down, Sherrod or Newhouse?

Ayt · Post #592 » by **Ayt** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 7:57 pm

emunney wrote:To hear MM talk, you'd think Lang would be the starter at LG if the season started today.

He definitely looked the best compared to Sherrod and also Newhouse.

Ayt · Post #593 » by **Ayt** » Wed Aug 17, 2011 9:01 pm

chuckleslove wrote:If you are ignoring McGinn's opinions that is your loss. He is one of the most respected and unbiased beat reporters in the entire NFL hence why he won the McCann award this year.

I don't completely ignore the opinions of writers. I simply take their subjective opinions with a huge grain of salt.

Anyway, here is a nice point made today, but I don't know who wrote it.

There has been one constant on offense: When QB Aaron Rodgers gets blitzed and TE Jermichael Finley is in the game, the ball is coming Finley's way. Rodgers has connected a number of shots up the middle to Finley with the blitz in the quarterback's face.

http://www.jsonline.com/sports/packers/127915748.html

This is definitely something I think a lot of people forget about with Finley. Having an outlet like Finley compared to what we had last year will make a massive difference in keeping drives alive.

jimmybones · Post #594 » by **jimmybones** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:11 am

BUCKnation wrote:I can see then keeping 4 TEs and putting Taylor on the PS. Taylor has a good chance of making it to the PS if he doesnt make the 53.

Being with the ones on two ST units is a strong idication. Someone, I think Wilde, on the radio today said he's this years Sam Shields if he had to pick a guy and that he thinks he makes the 53. Also that he may be able to play some FB and maybe release Johnson. Wouldn't shock me to see 5 TEs make it with Taylor being the 2nd FB. If you can justify keeping Hall as a 3rd FB for his ST ability I don't see how you can't jusity keeping Taylor for the same purpose, only on top of that he's shown some promise as a TE too.

El Duderino · Post #595 » by **El Duderino** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:14 am

Ayt wrote:I'll start my post the same way you did. What are you talking about?

Firstly, (even though it is your last paragraph) when have I ever made a huge deal about the subjective opinion of writers when it comes to the players I apparently like? I quote them when it comes to statistical data (like McGinn breaking down snaps, pressures, targets, etc.) at the end of the year. Incidentally, I love his work in that regard after the season is over. If they write a story that has quotes from MM, AR, Wood or whoever I may put some stock into that, but I don't put much of any stock into the opinions of the writers themselves. I appreciate the coverage. I think we have some of the best NFL coverage in the league. Still, these are just guys watching practice who really don't necessarily know what they are watching or what they are talking about after watching.

What do you have to base this on beyond just guessing it's true? They've been watching Packers practices forever.

Oh well, we'll just have to agree to disagree

My memory is to shot for a bunch of specific examples by living like Cheech and Chong in my teens and early 20's, but like i said before, i do recall that there were numerous instances where reporters like McGinn and Silverstein made observations early on in camp about draft picks and undrafted rookies, good or bad that later proved to be true as those players either became surprises or largely busts. Of course they won't always be right and some players have a knack for performing better in games than practice.

That all said, if you prefer to ignore their observations, do as you please.

El Duderino · Post #596 » by **El Duderino** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:23 am

BUCKnation wrote:I can see then keeping 4 TEs and putting Taylor on the PS. Taylor has a good chance of making it to the PS if he doesnt make the 53.

If Ted and McCarthy like Taylor enough for what he shows in practice and especially if he does well in preseason games, they likely won't expose him to waivers.

Of all the positions on the roster, i think TE will be one of the most interesting come final cut time. One thing that also could happen is if Ted likes all five tight ends enough to deem all worthy of a roster spot, but he only wants to keep four, he could try to trade say Quarless or Crabtree at final cut time for a draft pick or a player at a position he deems a need.

Reddeye · Post #597 » by **Reddeye** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 2:32 am

Rob Demovsky
Another clinic by Masthay. 8 punts from own 25, all between the numbers and the sideline with hang times between 4.0 and 4.9

trwi7 · Post #598 » by **trwi7** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:04 am

Masthay was huge for us down the stretch and in the playoffs last year.

BUCKnation · Post #599 » by **BUCKnation** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:24 am

trwi7 wrote:Masthay was huge for us down the stretch and in the playoffs last year.

him and j bush were deadly against the bears

BUCKnation · Post #600 » by **BUCKnation** » Thu Aug 18, 2011 3:25 am

El Duderino wrote:
BUCKnation wrote:I can see then keeping 4 TEs and putting Taylor on the PS. Taylor has a good chance of making it to the PS if he doesnt make the 53.

If Ted and McCarthy like Taylor enough for what he shows in practice and especially if he does well in preseason games, they likely won't expose him to waivers.

Of all the positions on the roster, i think TE will be one of the most interesting come final cut time. One thing that also could happen is if Ted likes all five tight ends enough to deem all worthy of a roster spot, but he only wants to keep four, he could try to trade say Quarless or Crabtree at final cut time for a draft pick or a player at a position he deems a need.

Id keep 5 but dump q johnson. He is pretty horrible on ST and doesnt do what he needs to on O