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Re: 2011 

Post#421 » by Slava » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:35 am

J.Kim wrote:But it hinges on the next match-up with Udinese in CL 3rd round and there's a very likely chance that Arsene Wenger is waiting on the result of this match to pounce in the transfer period. Considering there's a hefty share of TV revenue waiting to be had for teams who advance to group stages and also a considerable sum of money for each Win/Draw (€800,000 for a win, €400,000 for a draw), it makes sense for Arsene to wait until the match with Udinese is done and take action then because there's still 7 days left in the transfer window. Winning means, being able to re-fill the coffers, pay down the debt and also pursue talent. Losing means pursuing other means of staying afloat (they've spent/saved up prudently over the past 5-6 years so they wouldn't be in immediate trouble however, it would be some lean years watching fetuses play on the pitch and being satisfied with watching them developing, while they pay down the debt, I'd imagine)


That's a very negative way of thinking. If he just went in and reinforced the squad before the season started, losing would certainly not be an option like it is now. That's what managers do at top clubs, they make sure they win the big games.

You cannot prepare for a match of that magnitude with the rest of the season hanging in balance, especially with a team as mentally fragile as the current bunch.
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Re: 2011 

Post#422 » by J.Kim » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:12 am

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J.Kim wrote:But it hinges on the next match-up with Udinese in CL 3rd round and there's a very likely chance that Arsene Wenger is waiting on the result of this match to pounce in the transfer period. Considering there's a hefty share of TV revenue waiting to be had for teams who advance to group stages and also a considerable sum of money for each Win/Draw (€800,000 for a win, €400,000 for a draw), it makes sense for Arsene to wait until the match with Udinese is done and take action then because there's still 7 days left in the transfer window. Winning means, being able to re-fill the coffers, pay down the debt and also pursue talent. Losing means pursuing other means of staying afloat (they've spent/saved up prudently over the past 5-6 years so they wouldn't be in immediate trouble however, it would be some lean years watching fetuses play on the pitch and being satisfied with watching them developing, while they pay down the debt, I'd imagine)


That's a very negative way of thinking. If he just went in and reinforced the squad before the season started, losing would certainly not be an option like it is now. That's what managers do at top clubs, they make sure they win the big games.

You cannot prepare for a match of that magnitude with the rest of the season hanging in balance, especially with a team as mentally fragile as the current bunch.


This is what fascinates me about sports; the added factor of human irrationality/rationality that plays into the results of the squad, which directly correlate to financial results of the club (especially in a league like the EPL/CL where placement directly affects revenues)

If your mentality is one of winning championships, you are very correct. You need to poach top talent; any that really fits into your team, financials be damned

However, if you approach your sports team like a business (like Arsenal seems to have done over the years. e.g. Highbury Square), then you forecast, expand out financials to future years and compare the NPVs and determine which option is better. The reason why Arsenal would play it safely in a situation like this is because of the deals that they were tied to before the economy went to the ****.

On construction of the stadium, they switched from bank loans to issuing public bonds, but instead of pursuing a variable rate or even a 5-year renegotiable rate (or other things that would allow them to freely pursue getting cheaper rates), they locked themselves into a long-term fixed rate contract (for £210 Million, with the remaining left in variable rate based on LIBOR). Doing this somewhat screwed them over since 10-year rates have dropped approximately 100 basis points over the past 5-6 years. Basically around £2M (baseline figure, I'm pretty sure it's more but I'm not sure what the amortization schedule looks like) per year that they're spending extra to service their debt.

And then there's the naming rights/kit deals that they entered into with Emirates. They basically financed the remainder of the stadium through the naming rights and kit deals, but this basically amounted to a bargain basement discount sponsorship deal for Emirates. Arsenal received £100M from Emirates for the naming rights to the stadium and kit for 15 years. This basically amounts to less than £7M per year on naming rights for both stadium and kit, which is drastically lower than market value deals that other teams have gotten in recent years (for example, Aon paid Manchester United £80M for four years, same with Liverpool and Standard Chartered... hell frigging Spurs are getting £20M for 2 years with Autonomy!). There's significant lost revenues because of these safe deals that they locked themselves into over the years.

Considering what the lending rate would be for a holding company with significant debt, and compared to the return out there, it's very likely that from a business perspective, it is much more prudent for Wenger and the Board to wait and react rather than take a proactive approach.

(Though, as a fan first and foremost, I don't really agree with it...)
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Re: 2011 

Post#423 » by IronChef » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:23 am

Don Draper wrote:
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Next Coming wrote:Liverpool is a different team when Suarez and Meireles are on the pitch.


Not to take anything away from Liverpool, but I bet all the top-tier teams are going to look amazing vs. Arsenal regularly fielding basically 5-6 fetuses to play against top tier talent in the EPL.

Agreed. Plus they had 10 men at that time. Liverpool didn't play well. Carrol was ineffective. You could barely tell Henderson was playing. Adam didn't do much. Enrique shut down Walcott. Downing was okay.

I would say Liverpool basically played to a draw against Arsenal's reserve team until the red card. Regardless I'm giving this team a month or so before I draw any concrete conclusions.


Yeah, Liverpool looked massively ordinary. Even with all their big money signings they played us even until Frimpong was sent off. It took us being down to ten men, and two offside goals to beat us. Adam, Carroll, Henderson, all looked poor. The only really impressive player was Enrique.

Frimpong looked good, but he was too eager. He looked too pumped up for his debut, and made a couple of mistakes, just a lack of experience showing through. On the plus side, Vermaelan was immense. Our offense was pretty terrible, our midfield didn't create many chances, Walcott was shut down, and Arshavin wasteful in possession.

I still trust in Wenger, and I think he'll bring in a couple players before the deadline. There are tons of reports out there now of Arsenal having made bids for a players (Hazard, M'Vila, Honda, Dann etc.) They just can't afford to overpay for someone, and right now that seems to be what it takes. Especially with the upcoming 2nd leg CL qualifier upcoming, and the potential of losing the CL revenue, they're certainly concerned about it.

We need Wilshere back as well, his loss in midfield has been massively felt. He was our best player last year, along with RVP, and without his energy, and ability our midfield has looked poor. I haven't heard anything yet on the extent of Koscielnys injury, but we really need him to be fit right now. It's going to be a rough game against Man U, as our squad will look much the same without any big name signings. Hopefully Gibbs, Kos, and Wilshere are healthy and ready to go.
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Re: 2011 

Post#424 » by kdawg32086 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:14 am

With Everton supposedly in financial trouble, I think it would benefit us to make a move for Rodwell. I mean we all know that Wenger loves the young guys...and Rodwell is a young player that is actually good...
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Re: 2011 

Post#425 » by Slava » Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:17 am

I'd think if Everton sell anyone without bringing some players in, Moyes might walk away and the board will have big trouble if they lose him and Rodwell will atleast cost more than Henderson did.
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Re: 2011 

Post#426 » by IronChef » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:10 am

I'd take Arteta.
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Re: 2011 

Post#427 » by kdawg32086 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 6:17 am

SlavaMedvedenko wrote:I'd think if Everton sell anyone without bringing some players in, Moyes might walk away and the board will have big trouble if they lose him and Rodwell will atleast cost more than Henderson did.


It's not like we wouldn't have enough money to pay the asking price. It beats adding five more 12 year olds to the squad...
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Re: 2011 

Post#428 » by 5DOM » Sun Aug 21, 2011 1:18 pm

I think Hansen on yesterday's MOTD said it the best. Everton's been overachieving for too long, and the fans are expecting too much from them. It's unfortunate, but I think the club should start selling and try to rebuild. The downside is obviously that they might lose Moyes too, but it's going to happen sooner or later.
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Re: 2011 

Post#429 » by 5DOM » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:31 pm

53.3% - For the first time ever in the PL (116 games) Stoke have recorded more than 50% possession in a single match. Patience.


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Re: 2011 

Post#430 » by 5DOM » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:08 pm

Really good start to the Bolton City game.
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Re: 2011 

Post#431 » by 5DOM » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:26 pm

Jaskelainen with a De Gea moment :(

edit: great strike by Barry. This team's gonna be a serious threat.
edit2: Great finish by Klasnic. Should have started him in my fantasy team
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Re: 2011 

Post#432 » by magik9113 » Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:41 pm

entertaining game :nod:
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Re: 2011 

Post#433 » by 5DOM » Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:27 pm

This is a really good advertisement for the Premier League.
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Re: 2011 

Post#434 » by MitchellUK » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:16 pm

Announcement that Man Utd have got a new, 4yr/40mGBP kit sponsorship deal with DHL. The kicker being that it's for their training kit! 10m a year for the training kit!
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Re: 2011 

Post#435 » by BC_ » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:28 pm

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Re: 2011 

Post#436 » by 5DOM » Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:38 pm

Now City will get a 10M/year socks sponsorship from Etihad.
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Re: 2011 

Post#437 » by jerrod » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:11 pm

c'mon Arsene, Gunnersaurus needs a sponser.

i'm thinking GE or Toyota
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Re: 2011 

Post#438 » by J.Kim » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:13 pm

MitchellUK wrote:Announcement that Man Utd have got a new, 4yr/40mGBP kit sponsorship deal with DHL. The kicker being that it's for their training kit! 10m a year for the training kit!


This saddens me greatly.

Arsenal didn't even get that on their main kit + stadium naming rights. :(
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Re: 2011 

Post#439 » by 5DOM » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:18 pm

Thankfully I think some random Russian company will sign a huge sponsorship deal with Chelsea.
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Post#440 » by bryant08 » Mon Aug 22, 2011 2:36 pm

MitchellUK wrote:Announcement that Man Utd have got a new, 4yr/40mGBP kit sponsorship deal with DHL. The kicker being that it's for their training kit! 10m a year for the training kit!


THEY'RE GONNA USE IT TO PAY SNEIJDER'S WAGES!!!

Seriously, 10M pounds a year for a training kit is impressive lol.

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