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Re: Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock) 

Post#841 » by Blue_and_Whte » Thu Aug 18, 2011 10:07 pm

tiderulz wrote:
Blue_and_Whte wrote:Is Presti really that good of a GM? iirc, outside of Durant and Perk most of his core group are on their rookie contracts....Westbrook's rookie is contract is up after next season, Harden, Ibaka, Maynor's all end after the 12/13 season. Lets see what happends when he actually has to start paying these guys.

EDIT: Excercised contract options. On Maynor, Serge, Harden. I dont know, Perkins didnt show up/injured so he re-signs him to a deal? the contracts currently are fairly easy to manage well see how it all unfolds when he has to keep all those guys together.


i can agree with that. But he also is a bit proactive. Unlike our GM here, when he wasnt positive on Green, he didnt let the market set the price and have to match, he used him to get another asset needed by the team. I agree that we will have to see how he handles players coming off their rookie contracts. He was creative with Collison in keeping him in the fold (who is a really good role player), and seems to have an eye for identifying talent with draft picks.
i would agree he's proactive instead of reactive, However, I dont think any teams would've given Collison another 5 year $33 million dollar contract for 4ppg and 4 rpg, he's a good role player and probablly got paid about what other teams would've paid for his services.

In terms of the draft, He has picked well but he's generally had high draft picks too 2nd pick in 07 (Durant) 4th pick in 08 (westbrook) and the 3rd pick in 09 (Harden). Otis has had to work with middle to late first round picks since he's come in. JJ rounded out to be a nice player, and if you're an anderson fan, he recognized his talent and traded for Gortat I dont Otis lacks an eye for talent. I think financially he struggles to make sound decisions and is probablly a little too risky (Arenas, Turk)
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Re: Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock) 

Post#842 » by The Magic Man » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:02 am

Magic trade: (sign n trade)Jrich,Nelson,1rd
Grizz trade: Gay

pg:Arenas,Duhon
sg:Redick,Liggins
sf:Gay,Qrich
pf:Anderson,Bass,Harper
c:Dwight,Orton
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Post#843 » by cb1115 » Sat Aug 20, 2011 3:37 am

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Post#844 » by BadMofoPimp » Mon Aug 22, 2011 11:20 pm

The Magic Man wrote:Magic trade: (sign n trade)Jrich,Nelson,1rd
Grizz trade: Gay

pg:Arenas,Duhon
sg:Redick,Liggins
sf:Gay,Qrich
pf:Anderson,Bass,Harper
c:Dwight,Orton


Lol, Hedo is no longer on the team. Maybe they can send him to the D-League.
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Post#845 » by Orlando Dawg » Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:39 am

The Magic Man wrote:pg: Duhon, Arenas


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Post#846 » by msmoore66 » Thu Sep 1, 2011 5:27 am

Orlando Dawg wrote:
The Magic Man wrote:pg: Duhon, Arenas


Fixed


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Post#847 » by NashtyNas » Tue Sep 6, 2011 5:57 am

How about Turk, Andersen, Nelson for David Lee, Brewer, Watson (bought out)? Nelson to Chicago, Turk + Andersen to GS.

Arenas/Duhon
J-Rich/JJ
Brewer/Q-Rich
Lee/Bass
Dwight/Foster(or any vet min big)

Improved perimeter defense, increased scoring + size, even better rebounding, and another interior presence. Lee/Dwight compliment each other very well, Brewer adds an excellent wing defender Orlando's never had, and this possibly allows Richardson re-signing with Hedo going out. Yes, Lee is longer but he fills a major need of a big that can do everything (except defend, but there's Dwight for that!).
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Re: Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock) 

Post#848 » by Orlando Dawg » Tue Sep 6, 2011 9:58 pm

The problem with the 2 previous trades is they list Arenas (or Duhon) as the starting point guards.

@mrsmoore66 .. yes I am a bit bitter because we could have won the last game against Atlanta had Stan not played the season-proven worst player on the team the entire 4th quarter.

points ... 4
fg% ... 1/3
free throws ... 2/2
assist ... 1
rebound ... 2
fouls ... 3

Any trades where the end result is Arenas/Duhon are unacceptable. You can't have somebody who totally sucks leading the team. Just because he played good like 5 years ago??? Because he makes alot of money?? Put Arenas at the point guard and this is a .500% ball club with Dwight.

As for C Lee how much of an upgrade is is over Anderson or Bass? It's not worth giving up Nelson/Anderson and nobody wants Hedo. Brewer is just a nobody.
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Re: Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock) 

Post#849 » by Nemesis21 » Wed Sep 14, 2011 3:38 am

sd1306 wrote:How about Turk, Andersen, Nelson for David Lee, Brewer, Watson (bought out)? Nelson to Chicago, Turk + Andersen to GS.

Arenas/Duhon
J-Rich/JJ
Brewer/Q-Rich
Lee/Bass
Dwight/Foster(or any vet min big)

Improved perimeter defense, increased scoring + size, even better rebounding, and another interior presence. Lee/Dwight compliment each other very well, Brewer adds an excellent wing defender Orlando's never had, and this possibly allows Richardson re-signing with Hedo going out. Yes, Lee is longer but he fills a major need of a big that can do everything (except defend, but there's Dwight for that!).



CJ Watson or Earl Watson ? Either way, either one of them would back up Gil over Du Du. But I do like that trade.
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Re: Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock) 

Post#850 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Sep 16, 2011 4:27 pm

Nemesis21 wrote:
sd1306 wrote:How about Turk, Andersen, Nelson for David Lee, Brewer, Watson (bought out)? Nelson to Chicago, Turk + Andersen to GS.

Arenas/Duhon
J-Rich/JJ
Brewer/Q-Rich
Lee/Bass
Dwight/Foster(or any vet min big)

Improved perimeter defense, increased scoring + size, even better rebounding, and another interior presence. Lee/Dwight compliment each other very well, Brewer adds an excellent wing defender Orlando's never had, and this possibly allows Richardson re-signing with Hedo going out. Yes, Lee is longer but he fills a major need of a big that can do everything (except defend, but there's Dwight for that!).


Golden State would never do this deal. Also, Chicago needs SG's, and won't trade for a $8M PG if they have a cheap backup in Watson.

Sorry, this deal doesn't work.

CJ Watson or Earl Watson ? Either way, either one of them would back up Gil over Du Du. But I do like that trade.
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Post#851 » by BadMofoPimp » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:41 pm

Here is an idea of some form of partial non-guaranteed Free Agency. This is a compromise between both sides Players and Owners.

Sort of a proposal that I have not seen yet. I may be off my rocker though, but I was on a roll.

I would go with a $65 to 75 mil hard cap with guaranteed contracts for maybe say first 2 years where player can't leave, be cut or even be traded. Players and teams are stuck together for 2 years. There would be concessions for VLE and MLE where if the team needed to fill out the roster, they would have a lower cap the following season if they go over current season. Thus, a player can opt for free agency after 2 years, but there would be monetary penalties for either a player leaving or a team cutting said player.

Thus, if a player decides to leave, they pay back percentage of next seasons salary or another team signing that player gives picks and/or cash (salary cap) back as high as 30-50% of current salary. Thus team losing player would gain additional cash that can be used for cap space to go over the hard cap. The rookie contract would be 3 years minimum guaranteed for 1st rounders and 2 years for 2nd rounders.

Plus, if a team cuts said player, then a portion of the next seasons salary is paid to player. If after 2 years of a 5 year contract, then the penalties are higher and then every year after it goes down considerably for both sides. Maybe like 75% of next season after 2 years, 50% after 3 years and 25% after 4 years. Thus, sort of like severance pay. Player could take his time finding a new job (team). Maximum 5 year contracts.

There would have to incentive for teams to retain players. This part I may need help on. But, maybe 30% + higher top salary for teams to keep players. Thus, it would be a big enough difference for players to consider resigning.

The big point would eliminate sign and trade deals. Plus, no players can be traded in the first 2 years of the guaranteed portion of that contract. Thus, this puts the onus on GM's to make wiser decisions with relation to cap space in building a teams.

Don't know if this works, but I just thought this up off the top of my head. But, I haven't seen any proposal like this yet.
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Re: Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock) 

Post#852 » by Bensational » Wed Sep 21, 2011 11:57 pm

so Dwight's listed CP3, SJax and Monta as guys on his 'dream team'. what are some ideas for getting those guys here?

SJax

Mil: Hedo + Bass
Orl: SJax + Gooden

or

Mil: JJ + Bass
Orl: SJax

or

Mil: Hedo
Orl: SJax + Gooden (TPE)

i think the 2nd is more likely, but obviously the first is preferable. in the first, the deals match up because while Hedo is paid $2M more than SJax and an extra year (roughly $15M more total), Gooden is paid $16M more than Bass' deal. The 2nd deal is a better balance in talent - they get a new starting SG and PF for the price of an old veteran. in the 3rd deal we absorb Gooden's contract with the TPE in return for Milwaukee taking Hedo's last year on his contract.

Dwight/Orton Dwight/Orton Dwight/Orton
Anderson/Gooden Anderson/ Anderson/Bass/Gooden
SJax/QRich/Harper Turk/QRich/Harper SJax/Q/Harp
JJ/Liggins SJax/Liggins JJ/Liggins
Gil/Nelson/Duhon Gil/Nelson/Duhon Gil/Nelson/Duhon


i much prefer a SJax/JJ 2/3 combo than Turk/SJax, especially on the defensive end.

Monta

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3mzmu8k

ATL: JJ + Bass + Batum
GS: JSmith
POR: Anderson
ORL: Monta

we give up our PF depth and our youth, but we consolidate into an explosive young SG who can score in bunches. Atlanta get youth and cheap contracts to replace one big contract. GS get defense.

Dwight/Orton
FA/Harper
Turk/QRich
Monta/Liggins
Gil/Nelson/Duhon

i'm not even going to lie... that lineup makes me sick. a Gil/Monta backcourt would be horrendous.

secondary deal - (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4yoywfe )

LAL: Nelson + Turk
ORL: Odom + Blake + Walton


Dwight/Orton Dwight/Orton
Odom/Anderson/Gooden Odom/FA
Q/Walton/Harp QRich/Walton/Harper
SJax/Liggins Monta/Liggins
Gil/Blake/Duhon Gil/Blake/Duhon


the combination of them all....

MIL:
in: Hedo + POR future 1st + ORL future 1st
out: SJax + Gooden (TPE)

ATL:
in: JJ + Bass + Batum
out: Josh Smith

GS:
in: Josh Smith
out: Monta

POR:
in: Anderson
out: Batum + Future 1st

LAL:
in: Nelson + Q
out: Odom + Blake

ORL:
in: SJax + Gooden + Monta + Odom + Blake
out: Turk + Nelson + JJ + Bass + Anderson + Future 1st


Dwight/Orton
Odom/Gooden
SJax/Harper
Monta/Liggins
Gil/Blake/Duhon

lol... what an EA Sports trade... complete roster shuffle and i'm still not convinced in it being much better than our team last season. the only upshot is that Dwight gets Monta + SJax, 2 of his dream team requests... i still don't like the Monta/Gil backcourt - i actually think Blake would make a good PG tandem with Monta, since he can hit the 3 and is more of a facilitator than Gil.
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Post#853 » by cb1115 » Thu Sep 22, 2011 12:54 am

Bensational wrote:so Dwight's listed CP3, SJax and Monta as guys on his 'dream team'. what are some ideas for getting those guys here?

SJax

Mil: Hedo + Bass
Orl: SJax + Gooden

or

Mil: JJ + Bass
Orl: SJax

or

Mil: Hedo
Orl: SJax + Gooden (TPE)

I think Milwaukee would do all of those. I think we would too, even though Gooden is absolutely horrible.

Monta

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3mzmu8k

ATL: JJ + Bass + Batum
GS: JSmith
POR: Anderson
ORL: Monta

I don't think Portland would even consider doing this.

secondary deal - (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4yoywfe )

LAL: Nelson + Turk
ORL: Odom + Blake + Walton

LA might do that. I'd get Blake and Walton out of the deal and replace Turk with Ryan.
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Post#854 » by BadMofoPimp » Thu Sep 22, 2011 6:40 pm

I doubt Milwaukee does any of those deals. They are a playoff team with SJax and a lottery team with the players Magic would trade him for. Doesn't make business sense to me. SJax is getting up there and is starting to finally show his decline. I am tired of declining older players with big contracts. Ask Otis.

Monta
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3mzmu8k

ATL: JJ + Bass + Batum
GS: JSmith
POR: Anderson
ORL: Monta


Is possible being Batum is overrated and Portland likes bigs. Anderson would fit well there.
Atlanta gets good return and GS could do well with Smith as long as Lee is happy at Center. Because, Dorrel Wright is better at SF than Smith is at SF. Smith is more of a PF.

secondary deal - (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4yoywfe )

LAL: Nelson + Turk
ORL: Odom + Blake + Walton


Worst trade of the bunch. Because, Odom is not interested in anyplace but LA. He did sign for less to play there. He wouldn't be the same if he was forced to leave. Does anyone here remember Doug Christie. He sure didn't want to leave LA. Plus, isn't Odom like 33 years old, dude is about to seriously decline. I like Blake, but want nothing to do with Walton. Would rather keep Turk. I would want nothing to do with this trade.
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Post#855 » by Bensational » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:57 am

BadMofoPimp wrote:I doubt Milwaukee does any of those deals. They are a playoff team with SJax and a lottery team with the players Magic would trade him for. Doesn't make business sense to me. SJax is getting up there and is starting to finally show his decline. I am tired of declining older players with big contracts. Ask Otis.


hey, i'd much rather not bring in SJax as well, but it was more a point of bringing in a player to appease Dwight. besides, there isn't much better out there at the moment anyway.

the Bucks are going to struggle to be a playoff team no matter what. even with SJax, they've got a couple good seasons with him before he becomes a complete non factor. with the deal of Hedo for SJax and Gooden, they clear another $6M off their books instantly and then have the capspace to make a run at some legit talented youth. with the JJ + Bass deal they get a starting SG (Redd-lite) and a starting quality PF - both of which are still young.


BadMofoPimp wrote:
secondary deal - (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4yoywfe )

LAL: Nelson + Turk
ORL: Odom + Blake + Walton


Worst trade of the bunch. Because, Odom is not interested in anyplace but LA. He did sign for less to play there. He wouldn't be the same if he was forced to leave. Does anyone here remember Doug Christie. He sure didn't want to leave LA. Plus, isn't Odom like 33 years old, dude is about to seriously decline. I like Blake, but want nothing to do with Walton. Would rather keep Turk. I would want nothing to do with this trade.


yeah, an uninspired Odom is a risk, but Turk is a risk point blank. the guy is back in the town that has embraced him the most and he's still uninspired and trash. i'd welcome any opportunity to get out from under his contract.
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Post#856 » by tiderulz » Fri Sep 23, 2011 4:44 pm

Orlando Dawg wrote:The problem with the 2 previous trades is they list Arenas (or Duhon) as the starting point guards.

@mrsmoore66 .. yes I am a bit bitter because we could have won the last game against Atlanta had Stan not played the season-proven worst player on the team the entire 4th quarter.

points ... 4
fg% ... 1/3
free throws ... 2/2
assist ... 1
rebound ... 2
fouls ... 3

Any trades where the end result is Arenas/Duhon are unacceptable. You can't have somebody who totally sucks leading the team. Just because he played good like 5 years ago??? Because he makes alot of money?? Put Arenas at the point guard and this is a .500% ball club with Dwight.

As for C Lee how much of an upgrade is is over Anderson or Bass? It's not worth giving up Nelson/Anderson and nobody wants Hedo. Brewer is just a nobody.
Arenas + J-Rich + Brewer + Lee = Dwight Flight


SVG had to play Arenas. Nelson was getting his lunch handed to him by Hinrich. Hinrich completely shut him down.
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Post#857 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Sep 23, 2011 5:05 pm

Bensational wrote:
BadMofoPimp wrote:I doubt Milwaukee does any of those deals. They are a playoff team with SJax and a lottery team with the players Magic would trade him for. Doesn't make business sense to me. SJax is getting up there and is starting to finally show his decline. I am tired of declining older players with big contracts. Ask Otis.


hey, i'd much rather not bring in SJax as well, but it was more a point of bringing in a player to appease Dwight. besides, there isn't much better out there at the moment anyway.

the Bucks are going to struggle to be a playoff team no matter what. even with SJax, they've got a couple good seasons with him before he becomes a complete non factor. with the deal of Hedo for SJax and Gooden, they clear another $6M off their books instantly and then have the capspace to make a run at some legit talented youth. with the JJ + Bass deal they get a starting SG (Redd-lite) and a starting quality PF - both of which are still young.


BadMofoPimp wrote:
secondary deal - (http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=4yoywfe )

LAL: Nelson + Turk
ORL: Odom + Blake + Walton


Worst trade of the bunch. Because, Odom is not interested in anyplace but LA. He did sign for less to play there. He wouldn't be the same if he was forced to leave. Does anyone here remember Doug Christie. He sure didn't want to leave LA. Plus, isn't Odom like 33 years old, dude is about to seriously decline. I like Blake, but want nothing to do with Walton. Would rather keep Turk. I would want nothing to do with this trade.


yeah, an uninspired Odom is a risk, but Turk is a risk point blank. the guy is back in the town that has embraced him the most and he's still uninspired and trash. i'd welcome any opportunity to get out from under his contract.


Your trades are not completely out of touch. They all could work and could be considered by all teams involved.

But, Turk is home, so he will play better here than anywhere else. Give him some time and I reckon that he will produce. The system had changed since the last time he was here, Lewis was much better than Bass/Anderson. And that was not just offensively. He has two years on his contract including the 11-12. He won't have value elsewhere and he has chemistry with the team. He really is going nowhere unless he is amnestied, which should be Arenas. Hedo's is only guaranteed $4 mil in the last year of his contract. Arenas makes $10 million more than Hedo each year. Magic Organization can find cost cutting in the organization or sponsers to cover that expense as this team can be very profitable.

As far as SJax, he would be in the same boat as Vince and then JRich. If Otis kept chasing after every player that he thinks will keep Dwight, he may end up losing him. Better off finding rough gems like Bass, Anderson, Nelson, JJ and develop them. Then, trade a package of those guys for a real good rising young kid than an aging declining vet, unless it is a Superstar.
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Post#858 » by tiderulz » Fri Sep 23, 2011 6:35 pm

^^Hedo actually played better in PHX than he did in Orlando.

as for players that Dwight might want. I would get Dwight to sign on the dotted line if i was able to get 1 and working to make the team better. Would it be worth it to trade laterally for SJax, if it gets Dwight to sign an extension? Absolutely, even if SJax eventually had to move to the bench.
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Post#859 » by BadMofoPimp » Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:28 pm

tiderulz wrote:^^Hedo actually played better in PHX than he did in Orlando.

as for players that Dwight might want. I would get Dwight to sign on the dotted line if i was able to get 1 and working to make the team better. Would it be worth it to trade laterally for SJax, if it gets Dwight to sign an extension? Absolutely, even if SJax eventually had to move to the bench.


Well, if put into that perspective, hell yeah sign SJax. But, that doesn't sound like the way Dwight likes to build a team. He is loyal and I bet trading Nelson or Hedo would also test his loyalty. But, SJax is a lateral move and I don't think he is enough of a talent to sway Dwight. Unless, it is Arenas for SJax and Filler.
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Re: Official Trade Thread (Dwight threads on auto-lock) 

Post#860 » by BelgianMagic » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:57 pm

At this point, I don't think Hedo for SJax would be a lateral move .. SJax has shown he can still play at a decent level .. Hedo on the other hand :-?

If you can get rid of Hedo, you do it ..

Amnesty should be used on Gilbert. There is no excuse for having a useless 20m on your salary cap if there's a way to avoid it .. And it someone explains RDV what and how the new CBA works and how it can lead to Dwight staying, I'm sure he'll buy Gilbert a one-way ticket out of Orlando

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