How do Clips have Minny's pick?

Chosen01 · Post #1 » by **Chosen01** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 4:52 pm

From what I heard Clips have the '12 minny pick which could be one of the most stacked drafts since 08, what trade allowed them to obtain this pick, knowing Minny could still possibly be in the lottery next year?

Tirion · Post #2 » by **Tirion** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:03 pm

**** you, McHale!

Krapinsky · Post #3 » by **Krapinsky** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:07 pm

Not a savvy googler I take it?

It was a trade McHale did when he was GM. Sam Casell + protected 1st (unprotected in 2012) for Marko Jaric. Worse yet, it was a sign and trade deal where McHale agreed to pay Jaric $38M over 6 years.

Post #4 » by **The J Rocka** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:11 pm

Sam Cassell + unprotected 2012 pick for Marko Jaric.

People still love to hate on Kahn but he's not making moves like this. Some forget the wrath of McHale. This one hurts the groin and we will all feel it painfully unless somehow Adelman helps lift this team to .500 or better.

Grits n Gravy · Post #5 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:14 pm

it's not gonna matter too much brother because the new cba is gonna have a 2 year wait period so the best prospects are gonna be barnes, sullinger and jones and with adelman, rubio, williams and development from wes, love, supercool and ar we are gonna finish .400 or .500 in a lockout shortened year where being young and althletic will be a huge factor....a guy can dream

john2jer · Post #6 » by **john2jer** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:33 pm

I'm not overly concern about losing the 30th pick in the draft.

WE COMIN' WE COMIN'!!!

Grits n Gravy · Post #7 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 5:58 pm

and we'll still be able to get tomas satoransky with the utah pick

Post #8 » by **C.lupus** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:07 pm

McHale definitely got taken to the cleaners in that trade but I'm sure the idea was for the team to not still be sucking this badly 7 years later.

john2jer · Post #9 » by **john2jer** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 6:12 pm

Pretty sure he expected to make the playoffs the next season, thus giving up the pick 5-6 years ago.

Post #10 » by **The J Rocka** » Tue Aug 30, 2011 10:41 pm

john2jer wrote:Pretty sure he expected to make the playoffs the next season, thus giving up the pick 5-6 years ago.

Expecting to make the playoffs with Marko Jaric as the franchise starting PG while giving away a better PG + future first. You have to wonder what went through the mind of McHale.

At least he had the winning spirit.

mark blunt · Post #11 » by **mark blunt** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:11 am

10000 posts?

cpfsf · Post #12 » by **cpfsf** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:29 am

If Minnesota won 3 more games in the 2005/06 season, they would have had been tied for the 10th worst record. 4 more wins would have almost guaranteed LA would have received that pick back. It doesn't seem too farfetched when you consider that one of those games involved Mark Madsen chucking 3's all game.

Post #13 » by **Basti** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:39 am

cpfsf wrote:If Minnesota won 3 more games in the 2005/06 season, they would have had been tied for the 10th worst record. 4 more wins would have almost guaranteed LA would have received that pick back. It doesn't seem too farfetched when you consider that one of those games involved Mark Madsen chucking 3's all game.

Didn't that happen the year after?

Also, while I've always disliked the trade because I had been a huuuuuuuge Sam I am fan, let's not completely forget that Jaric's stock was rather high back then. He was considered to be an upcoming talented above average starting point guard. The pick just killed it.

cpfsf · Post #14 » by **cpfsf** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:03 am

basti wrote:
cpfsf wrote:If Minnesota won 3 more games in the 2005/06 season, they would have had been tied for the 10th worst record. 4 more wins would have almost guaranteed LA would have received that pick back. It doesn't seem too farfetched when you consider that one of those games involved Mark Madsen chucking 3's all game.

Didn't that happen the year after?

Also, while I've always disliked the trade because I had been a huuuuuuuge Sam I am fan, let's not completely forget that Jaric's stock was rather high back then. He was considered to be an upcoming talented above average starting point guard. The pick just killed it.

http://espn.go.com/nba/recap/_/id/260419016/memphis-grizzlies-vs-minnesota-timberwolves

I'm surprised how easy it was for me to find this game. Google: mark madsen memphis

Post #15 » by **Basti** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:19 am

Well... you are correct but so am I. Why? Because I thought you were talking about the 2004/05 season. Maybe I should read what other people type.

shrink · Post #16 » by **shrink** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:50 pm

basti wrote: ... let's not completely forget that Jaric's stock was rather high back then. He was considered to be an upcoming talented above average starting point guard.

And let's not forget how low Cassell's was at that time too. He was considered the main reason that the Wolves - who some predicted to win a championship that year - weren't going to even make the play-offs. He wasn't just old. He wasn't just an injury risk. He was considered a team cancer that MIN had no choice (and no leverage) to move.

Now, I remember at the time how we were still all shocked that it took a 1st when we first heard about the trade. However, McHale needed to move Cassell AND needed to replace him with a guy that he thought could be a replacement starting PG. The money was spent on other guys, the wolves were close to winning the two previous seasons, and with KG in his prime, it was "win-now" time. Wolves fans demanded not just making the play-offs, but advancing in them, and this pressure led to the Jaric trade, and the Ricky Davis/Mark Blount trade. I don't think there was any belief that the wolves could go 5 years without missing the bottom 10.

Tirion · Post #17 » by **Tirion** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:44 pm

shrink wrote:
basti wrote: ... let's not completely forget that Jaric's stock was rather high back then. He was considered to be an upcoming talented above average starting point guard.

And let's not forget how low Cassell's was at that time too. He was considered the main reason that the Wolves - who some predicted to win a championship that year - weren't going to even make the play-offs. He wasn't just old. He wasn't just an injury risk. He was considered a team cancer that MIN had no choice (and no leverage) to move.

That "team cancer" took the Clippers to play-offs the very next season. "Sam was a cancer" talk is rather stupid at this point, especially considering that Flip took him as an assistant. McHale did nothing to address rather glaring roster holes that were evident after 2003-04, namely the lack of starting caliber center (Johnson was too old and Kandiman sucked) and good back-up point guard (Sam was old and often injured, Hudson sucked). The contract stuff was overblown, Spree was just washed-up at that point and Sam, like I already mentioned, was injured for most of the year.

You need to re-watch 2004 playoffs, Sam was playing with bad back, bad hip and ruptured ear drum, was forced to basically electrocuting himself on the bench and still took Bibby to school!

Post #18 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:57 pm

Sam was a cancer his last year with the Wolves. His attitude changed on the Clippers, just like it did every time he went to a new team.

Tirion · Post #19 » by **Tirion** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:15 pm

Worm Guts wrote:Sam was a cancer his last year with the Wolves. His attitude changed on the Clippers, just like it did every time he went to a new team.

Well, how you explain Flip's desire to take him as assistant, then? Cause either Flip is very forgiving man or this whole cancer stuff was BS. Also a lot of dirty laundry was aired since then, by all involved (Flip, McHale, Taylor) and no one mentioned Sam being a cancer.

Post #20 » by **Worm Guts** » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:22 pm

I don't know the reason for Flip's opinions, but I know what I saw. It's also obvious from the trade McHale made that he thought Cassell was a cancer, whether he publicly said so or not.