2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

drew_28 · Post #861 » by **drew_28** » Thu Sep 1, 2011 8:43 pm

I agree with the Swagtastic on this one. I also doubt Phili does that deal...it just doesn't make much sense all around.

Would love to land Kabongo and Drummend/Davis/Barnes

hopefully we can craft a package using barbosa, Ed or Amir, and or bargnani to land us another pick

Kobongo/Bayless
Derozan/Weems
Barnes/JJ
Ed/Amir
Val/Alabi

i'd move forward with that..

flatjacket1 · Post #862 » by **flatjacket1** » Thu Sep 1, 2011 10:45 pm

Has anybody ever thought of trying to get Cleveland to absorb Calderons contract in return for a 2nd round pick?

Sure its a huge salary dump but they could use a solid backup PG...

Silk Wilkes · Post #863 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Fri Sep 2, 2011 12:18 am

flatjacket1 wrote:Has anybody ever thought of trying to get Cleveland to absorb Calderons contract in return for a 2nd round pick?

Sure its a huge salary dump but they could use a solid backup PG...

With Baron's contract already there they'd have no reason to stack a bunch of money on mediocre Point Guards while also giving up an asset.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #864 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Fri Sep 2, 2011 4:23 pm

Speaking of Baron's contract.
to Cleveland:
Bargnani/Calderon/James Johnson
to Toronto: Baron Davis/Christian Eyenga/Samardo Samuels

2012/13
C: Val/Samuels/Alabi
PF: Ed/Amir/Kleiza
SF: Demar/Kleiza
SG: Skyenga/Bosa
PG: Bayless/Baron/Bosa

Post #865 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Fri Sep 2, 2011 6:14 pm

OAKLEY_2 wrote:Speaking of Baron's contract.
to Cleveland:
Bargnani/Calderon/James Johnson
to Toronto: Baron Davis/Christian Eyenga/Samardo Samuels

2012/13
C: Val/Samuels/Alabi
PF: Ed/Amir/Kleiza
SF: Demar/Kleiza
SG: Skyenga/Bosa
PG: Bayless/Baron/Bosa

No, I don't want Mr Cancer here aka Baron Davis he's a guy who would suck all the youth and chemstry out of this team by bitching about playing for a rebuilding team.

Eyenga is a SG who plays the same position as DeRozan and I doubt DeRozan is a 3....yet. With much better SF targets out there in 2012's draft I would much rather hold on to the SF search until then. If we are trading Bargs I want a 2012 pick not to get role players on this team and swap bad contracts (Calderon and Baron)

That is a 15 win tops team you just made there with a 6 foot 8 inch C in Samardo Samuels who I very much doubt can be a C in this league at best he's a PF and will even struggle there I would much rather try Alabi there or sign a cheap veteran C like a Aaron Grey or somebody along those lines

gdla · Post #866 » by **gdla** » Fri Sep 2, 2011 10:54 pm

Raptors need new point guard. And center like Chandler.

drew_28 · Post #867 » by **drew_28** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 3:13 am

What if we swung a deal with Charlotte:

Barbosa

for

G Henderson, and Diop

Barbosa is an expiring, would fit nice in charlottes system (God knows they need scoring) say what you want about Henderson, but he certainly came on the second half of last season, we take Diop to make the trade work (I doubt they give Henderson for Barbosa straight up)

on Draft Day, hope we pull a pick in the 1-3 range

Draft: Drummend, Davis, or Barnes

send Bargnani (hopefully the euros boosts his value slightly) for a mid range 1st
Draft: Kabongo

going forward you have:

Kabongo/Bayless/Jose
DeRozan/Henderson/Weems
Barnes/Henderson/JJ
Ed/Amir
Val/Alabi/Diop

or

Kabongo/Bayless/Jose
Derozan/Weems
Henderson/JJ
Drummend or Davis/Ed
Val/Amir/Diop

either way you've got a young explosive core...you keep Jose around to settle things down from time to time...and you let the athleticism win some games. even if Henderson isn't in the future, he has some upside, can be a solid backup or is a trade chip

Silk Wilkes · Post #868 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 3:19 am

That Charlotte deal to a Bobcats fan would be the equivelent of us packaging DeMar with Kleiza or Bargnani or Calderon just to get rid of their deals.

drew_28 · Post #869 » by **drew_28** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 4:27 am

Silk Wilkes wrote:That Charlotte deal to a Bobcats fan would be the equivelent of us packaging DeMar with Kleiza or Bargnani or Calderon just to get rid of their deals.

thats the point... diop is the trade fodder to make the deal work...they unload diop and get a reliable scorer. we get a young piece that can either be used or packaged.

if anything I think we are overpaying... but I like Henderson enough for the risk.

Silk Wilkes · Post #870 » by **Silk Wilkes** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 4:32 am

drew_28 wrote:
Silk Wilkes wrote:That Charlotte deal to a Bobcats fan would be the equivelent of us packaging DeMar with Kleiza or Bargnani or Calderon just to get rid of their deals.

thats the point... diop is the trade fodder to make the deal work...they unload diop and get a reliable scorer. we get a young piece that can either be used or packaged.

if anything I think we are overpaying... but I like Henderson enough for the risk.

I understand your reasoning, but what I'm saying is Henderson is going no where even with Diop included. They won't use him to dump a contract since they're building young. Plus, Diop only has 2 years which could make him a valuable expiring if this season locks out.

gdla · Post #871 » by **gdla** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 8:16 pm

drew_28, if you trade bargani, who will be toronto starting center? I hope not Jonas Valanciunas because its sound so funny if yes.

drew_28 · Post #872 » by **drew_28** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 8:20 pm

I have confidence in putting Val in as starting center in 2012/2013. He is getting some much needed experience with the Lith mens team right now, likely the rest of the year in the top Euro league... he needs some weight...but he is our best option at the C.

Do you really feel comfortable with Bargnani as the starting center in 2012? I hope not.

gdla · Post #873 » by **gdla** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 8:29 pm

drew_28 wrote:I have confidence in putting Val in as starting center in 2012/2013. He is getting some much needed experience with the Lith mens team right now, likely the rest of the year in the top Euro league... he needs some weight...but he is our best option at the C.

Do you really feel comfortable with Bargnani as the starting center in 2012? I hope not.

I think Jonas Valanciunas need play minimum ~2-3 years in europe. And then go in NBA. Because today Jonas have terryble defence, no expierence and no Jonas not strong. Also Jonas can't score from mid range.

Im from Lithuania, i m Valanciunas fan, but today make this kid starting center in NBA sounds so funny. Because in Lithuania NT, Valanciunas backup player.

drew_28 · Post #874 » by **drew_28** » Sat Sep 3, 2011 11:03 pm

gdla wrote:
drew_28 wrote:I have confidence in putting Val in as starting center in 2012/2013. He is getting some much needed experience with the Lith mens team right now, likely the rest of the year in the top Euro league... he needs some weight...but he is our best option at the C.

Do you really feel comfortable with Bargnani as the starting center in 2012? I hope not.

I think Jonas Valanciunas need play minimum ~2-3 years in europe. And then go in NBA. Because today Jonas have terryble defence, no expierence and no Jonas not strong. Also Jonas can't score from mid range.

Im from Lithuania, i m Valanciunas fan, but today make this kid starting center in NBA sounds so funny. Because in Lithuania NT, Valanciunas backup player.

He won't be spending 2-3 years in Europe...thats not why we drafted him 4th overall. We have a huge need at center...Bargnani is not the starting C going forward...Val is. and the only way for him to get better is to be in a role where he can play. If Val spends 2011/2012 in Europe, playing competitive ball and plays with the Lith national team...as well as continues to condition and bulk up...I don't see why he won't be ready for the 2012/2013 season. We need him to be. He might not be a star...but he needs to log some big minutes.

witnessraps · Post #875 » by **witnessraps** » Sun Sep 4, 2011 8:22 am

Drew, you can`t really expect Jonas V to start from day one. Casey said we will be going for a FA C, and I think we will get one, so Jonas`s transition will be smoother and the pressure won`t be skyhigh right away. Chandler would be awesome, but even a guy like Przybilla could really benefit the Raps.

And gdla, even if Bargs is still on the team we don`t have a starting center for next year, as Bargs clearly stated he wants to play PF.

OAKLEY_2 · Post #876 » by **OAKLEY_2** » Sun Sep 4, 2011 1:44 pm

You can expect Val to start if we trade Bargs which I think is esential to changing the culture. Val just would not get big minutes. I am not a fan of any Charlotte deals after they nixed Chandler. We are still going to need to tank for the next draft. That is why I think we should accumulate as many young assets as we can until after the next draft.

drew_28 · Post #877 » by **drew_28** » Mon Sep 5, 2011 5:57 pm

witnessraps wrote:Drew, you can`t really expect Jonas V to start from day one. Casey said we will be going for a FA C, and I think we will get one, so Jonas`s transition will be smoother and the pressure won`t be skyhigh right away. Chandler would be awesome, but even a guy like Przybilla could really benefit the Raps.

And gdla, even if Bargs is still on the team we don`t have a starting center for next year, as Bargs clearly stated he wants to play PF.

I still expect Jonas to start in 2012/2013. I think if this season (2011/2012) was a go and Jonas was bought out and brought to Toronto we'd transition him in...but with another year in Europe, time on the national team, and another year of strength and condition training..I don't see why we wouldn't start him. Even if we do get a FA C...I think we need to establish our future and let the Bayless, Derozan, Davis, Val group start to gel.

witnessraps · Post #878 » by **witnessraps** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 1:06 am

drew_28 wrote:
witnessraps wrote:Drew, you can`t really expect Jonas V to start from day one. Casey said we will be going for a FA C, and I think we will get one, so Jonas`s transition will be smoother and the pressure won`t be skyhigh right away. Chandler would be awesome, but even a guy like Przybilla could really benefit the Raps.

And gdla, even if Bargs is still on the team we don`t have a starting center for next year, as Bargs clearly stated he wants to play PF.

I still expect Jonas to start in 2012/2013. I think if this season (2011/2012) was a go and Jonas was bought out and brought to Toronto we'd transition him in...but with another year in Europe, time on the national team, and another year of strength and condition training..I don't see why we wouldn't start him. Even if we do get a FA C...I think we need to establish our future and let the Bayless, Derozan, Davis, Val group start to gel.

I guess it's possible with all the experience he is going to get, and hopefully with the Raptors strength and conditioning trainers BC said would be with him in Rytas. I'd throw Amir into that core.

drew_28 · Post #879 » by **drew_28** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 1:33 am

I guess it's possible with all the experience he is going to get, and hopefully with the Raptors strength and conditioning trainers BC said would be with him in Rytas. I'd throw Amir into that core.

Amir should definitely be in that core. If we can land that potential franchise 3 from the draft...I am so excited for the 2012 season. And for Val it all depends on how much he can bulk up this year...I expect him to, but you never know.

I would love to see this on opening day 2012

Bayless
Derozan
Barnes
Ed
Val

TheAlchemist · Post #880 » by **TheAlchemist** » Wed Sep 7, 2011 2:02 am

WIth Bargnani's recent play, what do you guys think of Bargs manning the 4?

I've honestly been shocked at watching a motivated Bargnani. Val + Bargs, with his interest in actually rebounding the damn ball, would be a solid solid combo.

If Bargs is rejuvenated and taught how to rebound by Casey, I think Ed Davis can be packaged with Bayless for a young Point guard. Maybe a Devin Harris (although that's overpaying)?