myrak433 wrote:Ruhiel...... I like your passion for the Hawks. and I can tell you are a true Hawks fan..... so I like you already.
Thanks appreciate it.
but what I believe you fail at is that you don't think of the other teams in your trade ideas
well the Houston trade was well recieved even if Al is stuck at the 5 so idk what you mean by that!
and/or you fall in love and put to much stock on unproven players. you will not be able to get any true center like the ones you named for Josh Smith.... it wouldn't make any since for them to do so. Josh would not make them any better once they lose there starting center, except for maybe Phoenix, but I would not trade Smoove for Gortat anyway.
I repeat, Like I said in the OP these are not my trade ideas.........
ruhiel wrote:I think the +filler is ignorant of the NBA trade economics/market. And ironic seeing how his own fans downplay his past seasons and harp on his shot selection, as an undersized 4.
what we need if we are going to move Horford is Pau Gasol or maybe Bogut. that is about the only centers that I could see us getting for Horford that would be worth trading him unless we could move Horford and Teague for Westbrook and Ibaka and Nazr.
Horford +
Marvin + Smith
Collins + Horford* + Smith* ; *not compatible in halfcourt
Gasol +
Marvin + Smith
Bogut +
Marvin + Smith
This is not about which center* is equal value or a bigger name than Horford this is about fixing the roster.
Marvin's # in the frontcourt is always called and he doesn't show the ball handling to dominate his matchup and furthermore gets punished on switches.
With a lighter Smith (235lbs) + Motiejunas (7'0.5" 235lbs) starting ideally Smith is able to face up in the post against even centers and Motiejunas was posting up Xavier Henry when both were 220 lb 18yo.
I am not trying to make this a trade Horford over Josh but I just don't feel we can get what we need by trading Smoove alone. I would love to keep both and try to get Bargs and or the guy you are in love with Thabeet, or Robin Lopez.
"Bargs" is not available for Marvin and Raptors are rebuilding/tanking for the 2012 SF-heavy Draft we've gone over this numerous times.
myrak wrote: if we can not swing something like this we need to just keep both and try to bring some bigs in and see how Benson develops.
and/or you fall in love and put to much stock on unproven players.
And Benson has 0 years of NBA experience and is expected to
fix the roster?:
- Thabeet (proven 270 lb. Dwight stopper; Taj Gibson; Joel Anthony; Omer Asik; proven his length and weight translates to problems for these guys; can occasionaly score off PF switches ie Dirk and lobs)
- Hill (proven his length and excellent backup who can be a starter if injury occurs)
- Motiejunas (main problem was teams wanting a big man want a long Center; he's got the wingspan of a small forward; professional player overseas; World Summit)
- Marvin Williams to SG (proven)
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Malcolm Thomas is pretty much the only "unproven" player yet he's been competing in the Drew League with NBA players since at least 2008.
The # of 7'2 wingspan bigs is extremely small and its obvious we should snatch him up. 12mpg defend and score 5ppg + 2rpg is easily accomplished by rookies.
Zaza, Hasheem and Al's rebounding= 16%.
Basically in the 10-Man Model no one has to be a major scorer every night. Its just pressure release based on matchups. Joe will have it some nights, skinny Smith some nights, Motiejunas size at PF a lot of nights.
Id say his stretch ability to see and shoot over wings and speed and same ability to see over bigs is proven.
Basically in 10 man Model f Motiejunas's offense and rebounding is as good as Hakim Warrick's we have just fixed the Atlanta Hawks roster.
A Bogut for Horford trade leaves Smith as your best passer/creator and Marvin as the pressure release. a stretch PF must be added and then contracts dont match up and we end up taking
negative contracts.
