IMPORTANCE
1. Rodgers
2. Matthews
3. Woodson
4. Raji
5. Tramon
6. Finley
7. Jennings
8. Clifton
9. Collins
10. Sitton
11. Neal
12. Wells
13. Shields
TALENT
1. Rodgers
2. Matthews
3. Raji
4. Tramon
5. Finley
6. Jennings
7. Woodson
8. Collins
9. Sitton
10. Shields
53 Man Roster Speculation
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I would rank our guys on talent:
1. Finley
2. Rodgers
3. Matthews
4. Woodson
5. Raji
6. Neal
7. Sitton
8. Jennings
9. Shields
10. Tramon
That's just based off of pure physical ability though.
1. Finley
2. Rodgers
3. Matthews
4. Woodson
5. Raji
6. Neal
7. Sitton
8. Jennings
9. Shields
10. Tramon
That's just based off of pure physical ability though.
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Watching that NFL Films Super Bowl highlight show gave me a renewed appreciation for Clay's ungodly quickness. That and his balance is one of the more ridiculous combinations at his size I've ever seen. The first step is murder, and then he can turn the corner 10 inches off the ground.
I think it's really his balance that makes him special. Plenty of guys can beat an OT to the outside. Not many of them can turn the corner so sharply and not get forced wide of the QB by their momentum alone.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVJWLsZpKfw[/youtube]
I think it's really his balance that makes him special. Plenty of guys can beat an OT to the outside. Not many of them can turn the corner so sharply and not get forced wide of the QB by their momentum alone.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVJWLsZpKfw[/youtube]
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LUKE23 wrote:I love Finley and his presence alone makes us better but how is he 4? I think we did pretty good without him last year.
Overall, yes, but that was because the D was playing at elite level. We were only around 10th in offense. This team has higher goals than that.
Like I've said many times, Finley's absence would have been talked about repeatedly had we missed the playoffs last year. Because had we missed, the offense would have been the reason why.
The O is good without Finley. It's great with him.
Agreed on your last line, although I think Raji has gotta be #3.
We go from like 5th-10th offensively to top 3 with the truly elite offenses with Finley. I don't know how people can't see this, but the denial has been consistent since he's been out.
With Finley, I think we can score around 32 a game. Without him, I'd put us more in the 26-28 range. His impact is by far the biggest on the team behind Rodgers offensively. As great as Jennings is, Finley is a full notch above him.
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emunney wrote:Watching that NFL Films Super Bowl highlight show gave me a renewed appreciation for Clay's ungodly quickness. That and his balance is one of the more ridiculous combinations at his size I've ever seen. The first step is murder, and then he can turn the corner 10 inches off the ground.
I think it's really his balance that makes him special. Plenty of guys can beat an OT to the outside. Not many of them can turn the corner so sharply and not get forced wide of the QB by their momentum alone.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVJWLsZpKfw[/youtube]
Clay can just contort his body to get low while running full speed around the corner in a way few people in this world can do. When he does that, the tackle just can't their hands into him and it's over.
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LUKE23 wrote:GBPG ranks the Packers 53 in terms of importance:
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Top 10:
1. Rodgers
2. Matthews
3. Woodson
4. Finley
5. Clifton
6. Raji
7. Jennings
8. Tramon
9. Collins
10. Sitton
I'd probably have Raji 3, Woodson 4, Finley 5, and Tramon/Collins/Jennings are all really close, and I don't know I wouldn't drop Clifton to 10, although I have more faith in Newhouse this year than some probably.
Rodgers
Matthews
Raji
Clifton
Tramon
Woodson
Finley
Jennings
Collins
Sitton
Depending on how Newhouse would perform if Clifton got hurt, he could slide down much lower, but that's a big unknown right now.
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The top 10 is pretty difficult.
1. AR (by a mile)
2. Matthews (our only truly elite pass rusher)
These two are the most irreplaceable. If we lose AR early for the season, we are still good enough to make the playoffs, but any SB dreams are over. If we lose Matthews early for the season, we go from one of the best pass rushing teams in the league to the middle of the pack. That drop alone would cost us several wins over the course of a season.
3. Raji
4. Wood
5. Finley
6. Tramon
7. Collins
8. Jennings
I'd put all these guys on the same tier. They are a notch above when it comes to impacting a game.
9. Sitton
He'd be on the same level as the guys above if he were a LT or RT, but he's an OG. He's a dominant player, but a dominant OG is only worth so much. The drop off over the course of a season from Jennings to a James Jones is much bigger than the drop off from a Sitton to a Daryn Colledge (though I know many are convinced Colledge is awful).
10. Cliffy
Cliffy at the level he played last year is a key player, but I actually feel pretty comfortable with Newhouse at LT if Cliffy goes down. It would certainly be a process and would be a big hitch in our offense in the first few games, but I think he could get it done to an acceptable level. I'm really high on Newhouse and think he's a longtime starter at either LT or RT going forward (most likely RT). Of course, we could also flip Bulaga to LT and play Newhouse at RT if Cliffy went down as well.
1. AR (by a mile)
2. Matthews (our only truly elite pass rusher)
These two are the most irreplaceable. If we lose AR early for the season, we are still good enough to make the playoffs, but any SB dreams are over. If we lose Matthews early for the season, we go from one of the best pass rushing teams in the league to the middle of the pack. That drop alone would cost us several wins over the course of a season.
3. Raji
4. Wood
5. Finley
6. Tramon
7. Collins
8. Jennings
I'd put all these guys on the same tier. They are a notch above when it comes to impacting a game.
9. Sitton
He'd be on the same level as the guys above if he were a LT or RT, but he's an OG. He's a dominant player, but a dominant OG is only worth so much. The drop off over the course of a season from Jennings to a James Jones is much bigger than the drop off from a Sitton to a Daryn Colledge (though I know many are convinced Colledge is awful).
10. Cliffy
Cliffy at the level he played last year is a key player, but I actually feel pretty comfortable with Newhouse at LT if Cliffy goes down. It would certainly be a process and would be a big hitch in our offense in the first few games, but I think he could get it done to an acceptable level. I'm really high on Newhouse and think he's a longtime starter at either LT or RT going forward (most likely RT). Of course, we could also flip Bulaga to LT and play Newhouse at RT if Cliffy went down as well.