2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[NH]

Who do you think will be a better fit for the Raps: Thad Young or Jeff Green?

[JamesNaismith]

Who do you think will be a better fit for the Raps: Thad Young or Jeff Green?

Personally I like Thad more but considering we're most likely getting a SF in the draft I don't waste money on either.

[Laowai]

Who do you think will be a better fit for the Raps: Thad Young or Jeff Green?

Personally I like Thad more but considering we're most likely getting a SF in the draft I don't waste money on either.

I don't see the Raptors being a player in the free agent market except for someone like Aaron Gray.

[Thelonious]

Who do you think will be a better fit for the Raps: Thad Young or Jeff Green?

Personally I like Thad more but considering we're most likely getting a SF in the draft I don't waste money on either.

I don't see the Raptors being a player in the free agent market except for someone like Aaron Gray.

Me neither and I might add that Jeff Foster would be a good choice for us. He showed he still had some left in the tank when the Pacers gave the Bulls some trouble in the playoffs.
He is a smart defensive center and sets good screens. He would be ideal to have either as a backup or a starter for Casey's zone D.

Only thing is he would have to accept a short contract.

[sweetcity]

I've always liked Foster, he has always played the Raps tough, perfect grinder. Could he start though so Andrea slides to the 4? At some point either Ed or Andrea has to be moved, its going to be too crowded in the front court

[Mr Swagtastic]

Who do you think will be a better fit for the Raps: Thad Young or Jeff Green?

Personally I like Thad more but considering we're most likely getting a SF in the draft I don't waste money on either.

Thad is more of a 4 then a 3, so if were going to go the SF route I want Chandler here, he's a very good stop gap option till we draft his replacement and then a very good backup who can guard and play either the 2-3.

I seriously doubt Oden becomes his much hyped self again he's made out of glass it looks like. Yet another big man hyped due to his size. (Thabeet, Hibbert...etc in recent years) if were spending $7-$8 million per year I want proven talent not potential talent. Which is why I want Tyson Chandler or Jordan both would be fantastic stop gap C's here and then very good backups plus Chandler has good chemistry with Casey and looks like he would accept a backup role and wanted to come to Toronto.

[JamesNaismith]

I seriously doubt Oden becomes his much hyped self again he's made out of glass it looks like. Yet another big man hyped due to his size. (Thabeet, Hibbert...etc in recent years) if were spending $7-$8 million per year I want proven talent not potential talent. Which is why I want Tyson Chandler or Jordan both would be fantastic stop gap C's here and then very good backups plus Chandler has good chemistry with Casey and looks like he would accept a backup role and wanted to come to Toronto.

Uggggh Oden wasn't just hyped due to his size....you might not agree with signing him but don't sound ignorant.


As for the players you mentioned I easily take Chandler over Jordan. Tyson's leadership would be much needed and if we're going to grab Casey based on his hype then I think it would only be fair to give Chandler a chance too. Almost all the Mavs players credited him for being the reason they got better as a team whereas Jordan is nice but seems like a better individual defender. If he were that great the Clips would be better then what they are....not to mention Tyson is only 29 -- he's not as old as some people thought he was.

[Laowai]

I seriously doubt Oden becomes his much hyped self again he's made out of glass it looks like. Yet another big man hyped due to his size. (Thabeet, Hibbert...etc in recent years) if were spending $7-$8 million per year I want proven talent not potential talent. Which is why I want Tyson Chandler or Jordan both would be fantastic stop gap C's here and then very good backups plus Chandler has good chemistry with Casey and looks like he would accept a backup role and wanted to come to Toronto.

Uggggh Oden wasn't just hyped due to his size....you might not agree with signing him but don't sound ignorant.


As for the players you mentioned I easily take Chandler over Jordan. Tyson's leadership would be much needed and if we're going to grab Casey based on his hype then I think it would only be fair to give Chandler a chance too. Almost all the Mavs players credited him for being the reason they got better as a team whereas Jordan is nice but seems like a better individual defender. If he were that great the Clips would be better then what they are....not to mention Tyson is only 29 -- he's not as old as some people thought he was.

I guess the question is do we really want to get better this year assuming there is a year?
Chandler might even get us into the play off in the East.
While I'm not a tanker and believe the team should try to win every game I definitely would like at least a top 5 pick.While not desirable Bargs can play with a backup like Gray or Foster we will be a top pick. After Jose's contract is the time to look for a free agent. Near the end of the season one of Bargs, Davis or Amir should be moved. I would prefer Amir to go which is against the grain of the majority on the board. If we are lucky enough to get 1st and take Drummond the Davis could be moved for a late lottery pick.

[sweetcity]

Calderon for Carroll and Przybilla (S&T) 2 yrs $9 Million

[arbsn]

I'd like to keep Calderon.. He will sign for much less after his contract expires in 2013 and will be a terrific backup PG to run P&R with Amir/Val

[Balki-B]

I'd like to keep Calderon.. He will sign for much less after his contract expires in 2013 and will be a terrific backup PG to run P&R with Amir/Val

He'll still probably be at least MLE money for around $5-6 million. I don't think I can justify him at MLE. Pretty sad how my view of him has changed so dramatically in such a short period of time considering that he's not even worth MLE money in my eyes. Below is a current list of salaries for PG.

Gilbert Arenas $19,269,308
Joe Johnson $18,038,573
Deron Williams $16,647,180
Chris Paul $16,647,180
Dwyane Wade $15,691,000
Baron Davis $13,900,000
Steve Nash $11,689,062
Jason Terry $11,158,000
Monta Ellis $11,000,000
Rajon Rondo $10,045,455
Jose Calderon $9,780,991
Devin Harris $9,205,000
Maurice Williams $8,500,000
Jason Kidd $8,500,000
Kirk Hinrich $8,000,000
Andre Miller $7,807,728
Jameer Nelson $7,600,000
Raymond Felton $7,560,000
Beno Udrih $6,925,400
Kyle Lowry $5,750,000
John Wall $5,530,080
Louis Williams $5,176,000
Jarrett Jack $5,000,000
Nate Robinson $4,500,000

[NH]

Here is a trade to consider:

Trade ID #5920994

Raptors trade: A Bargnani and L Barbosa to Chicago
Chicago trades: Carlos Boozer and Keith Bogans to Indiana
Indiana trades: D Granger and Brandon Rush to Toronto

Rose will get his offensive help from Bargnani and Barbosa for sure; and their system and Noah/Asik can help mask Bargnani's defensive issues. Indiana gets their vet PF and allows them to use Paul George at the SF spot. Raps get their star SF.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Here is a trade to consider:

Trade ID #5920994

Raptors trade: A Bargnani and L Barbosa to Chicago
Chicago trades: Carlos Boozer and Keith Bogans to Indiana
Indiana trades: D Granger and Brandon Rush to Toronto

Rose will get his offensive help from Bargnani and Barbosa for sure; and their system and Noah/Asik can help mask Bargnani's defensive issues. Indiana gets their vet PF and allows them to use Paul George at the SF spot. Raps get their star SF.

Yeah good luck getting Indy and Chicago to give Toronto the best talent in the deal for Bargs and Barbs. There is no way in hell we get Granger for Bargs and Barbs.

[Rapsfan07]

No way in hell am I moving DeRozan for Gilchrist. I like Gilchrist a lot, believe me but I don't think he's worth DeRozan. However, I'd gladly move Ed Davis for good all around SF like McAdoo or Gilchrist if they are available AND if didn't already draft an SF with our respective pick. If we're choosing a wing with out pick, then I go Miller. If we choose a big, then as of right now I'm going Drummond. He's a lot less of a project from a skills and physical standpoint.

As for Greg Oden, I'm not sure about that guy... He's extremely talented but seems much too frail to battle down low every night in the NBA. As said above, if I was gonna spend big money on a C, I think it would be DeAndre Jordan or just sign a stop gap vet that can hold it down until Valanciunas arrives. As for a Amir, I wouldn't be looking to trade him. He's a great off the bench big that plays hard every night and should have a role in the future of this team. I think Kabongo will be long gone before the 20th pick or so but if during the season we think we need a late pick, maybe we could organize a deal that sends Barbosa to a contender or Bargnani to a team like Milwaukee...preferably the latter.

Hey I fully respect not wanting to trade DeMar for Gilchrist BUT while I think DD's going to be a solid SG just based on that proposed "imaginary" scenario I think MG fits the needs of that line up a lot better....even if he turned out to only be a Tony Allen type of player.

As for what the above poster was saying about drafting SF...as noted by my sig Miller is obviously my first choice too (especially to try and lure Wall when his rookie contract is up ) but if he were off the board I go Davis. He played PG growing up so I really think if he dedicated himself to the position he could make it happen...hell if someone as slow as Hedo was at one point a successful SF I have no doubt Davis could too....and we would be monsterous in height.

But I definitely take Oden before Jordan. This team needs to take gambles on finding franchise like talent...period. We're not bringing Durant or someone like that here so we gotta roll the dice. If Jordan remains as he is, this team can become tough but not much. If Oden on the otherhand ended up anywhere near what he was....this franchise is flipped on its head and we're suddenly a scary ass young team. I don't care about Val or not...if they're both doing well obviously all the better; then we're stacked in the post!!!

Bottomline is our franchise needs more then just above average pleyers....we need to take gambles and those are moves I would take

That's true. I'm an Oden fan too, I really like him and if we can get him on a reasonable deal, I would definitely pull the trigger. I'm just saying I don't know if I'd break the bank for him. But if Jordan is unavailable and we're looking for a stand in, I would take a chance on Oden. For sure.

[NH]

Here is a trade to consider:

Trade ID #5920994

Raptors trade: A Bargnani and L Barbosa to Chicago
Chicago trades: Carlos Boozer and Keith Bogans to Indiana
Indiana trades: D Granger and Brandon Rush to Toronto

Rose will get his offensive help from Bargnani and Barbosa for sure; and their system and Noah/Asik can help mask Bargnani's defensive issues. Indiana gets their vet PF and allows them to use Paul George at the SF spot. Raps get their star SF.

Yeah good luck getting Indy and Chicago to give Toronto the best talent in the deal for Bargs and Barbs.
There is no way in hell we get Granger for Bargs and Barbs.

Okay Granger is a reach, but I am sure the Bulls will trade Boozer and spare for Bargnani and Barbosa; shorter contracts and more fire power. Problem is Raptors don't need Boozer, so will have to flip him somewhere else, though PFs are the easiest position to fill in this league.

[Laowai]

Here is a trade to consider:

Trade ID #5920994

Raptors trade: A Bargnani and L Barbosa to Chicago
Chicago trades: Carlos Boozer and Keith Bogans to Indiana
Indiana trades: D Granger and Brandon Rush to Toronto

Rose will get his offensive help from Bargnani and Barbosa for sure; and their system and Noah/Asik can help mask Bargnani's defensive issues. Indiana gets their vet PF and allows them to use Paul George at the SF spot. Raps get their star SF.

Yeah good luck getting Indy and Chicago to give Toronto the best talent in the deal for Bargs and Barbs.
There is no way in hell we get Granger for Bargs and Barbs.

Okay G
ranger is a reach, but I am sure the Bulls will trade Boozer and spare for Bargnani and Barbosa; shorter contracts and more fire power. Problem is Raptors don't need Boozer, so will have to flip him somewhere else, though PFs are the easiest position to fill in this league.

The reality is Basrgs is better than Boozer both poor defense but Boozer poor man and man as well. Boozer rebounds more but is injury prone and chocks and his contract is bad.

[Laowai]

Trade Chicago/Orlando/Toronto

Chicago Trades Brewer, Boozer & Bobcats top 14 protected 2012 1sts
Gets Amir Johnson, Barbosa, JJ Ridick

Orlando Trades Jameer Nelson, JJ Ridick and 2012 1st
Gets Boozer

Toronto Trades Amir & Barbosa
Gets Nelson and Brewer and 2 1st

Chicago has buyers remorse on Carlos Boozer plus needs upgrades at SG and 6th man and a combo of Gibson and Amir would be more than adequate at PF.

Orlando wants to keep Dwight getting Boozer helps gives them a PF moves Hedo back to Point Forward and allows Arenas to start at PG. Otis needs to do something and this may be his best gamble.

Toronto gives up 2 quality players in Amir and Barbosa. But gets 2 1st one to be used in 2012 likely 22 to 26th. They get Nelson who can fit in Barbosas role and Brewer some depth at SG/

Jose, Brewer and Nelson's contracts all expire at the end of 2012/14 for about 22 million.

Nelson could likely be moved latter.


Raptors

PG Bayless, Nelson, Jose
SG DD, Brewer
SF JJ, Klieza
C Bargd, FA ( Gray ??? ) Alabi
PF Davis, D League

The team will be worse without Amir and Barbosa but better in long run.

Likely top 3 Drummond,McAdoo or Sullinger all PFs

Trade Davis for # 10 to 14 pick Quincy Miller

Use Orlando and Bob Cat future to get Kabongo

Use 2nd Rd. for Nicolson

PG Bayless, Kabongo, Nelson, Jose
SG DD and Brewer
SF Miller, JJ, Klieza
C Val, Gray
PF !st, Bargs & Nicolson

One hell of a team and 22 million in expirings at the end of season.

[NH]

Trade Chicago/Orlando/Toronto

Chicago Trades Brewer, Boozer & Bobcats top 14 protected 2012 1sts
Gets Amir Johnson, Barbosa, JJ Ridick

Orlando Trades Jameer Nelson, JJ Ridick and 2012 1st
Gets Boozer

Toronto Trades Amir & Barbosa
Gets Nelson and Brewer and 2 1st

Chicago has buyers remorse on Carlos Boozer plus needs upgrades at SG and 6th man and a combo of Gibson and Amir would be more than adequate at PF.

Orlando wants to keep Dwight getting Boozer helps gives them a PF moves Hedo back to Point Forward and allows Arenas to start at PG. Otis needs to do something and this may be his best gamble.

Toronto gives up 2 quality players in Amir and Barbosa. But gets 2 1st one to be used in 2012 likely 22 to 26th. They get Nelson who can fit in Barbosas role and Brewer some depth at SG/

Jose, Brewer and Nelson's contracts all expire at the end of 2012/14 for about 22 million.

Nelson could likely be moved latter.


Raptors

PG Bayless, Nelson, Jose
SG DD, Brewer
SF JJ, Klieza
C Bargd, FA ( Gray ??? ) Alabi
PF Davis, D League

The team will be worse without Amir and Barbosa but better in long run.

Likely top 3 Drummond,McAdoo or Sullinger all PFs

Trade Davis for # 10 to 14 pick Quincy Miller

Use Orlando and Bob Cat future to get Kabongo

Use 2nd Rd. for Nicolson

PG Bayless, Kabongo, Nelson, Jose
SG DD and Brewer
SF Miller, JJ, Klieza
C Val, Gray
PF !st, Bargs & Nicolson

One hell of a team and 22 million in expirings at the end of season.

Good trade for the Raps, though we will have lots of $$ tied up in the PG position. I take Nelson over Bayless and Jose, and so we will have to flip those guys. I really like Ronnie Brewer as our 2/3 bench guy.

[Thelonious]

I like this trade because it accounts for Otis Smith's poor judgement.

Still, the Magic are very high on Redick, and I doubt they give him up without a good pick coming back.

[sweetcity]

good trade and good logic I would say on the bulls, magic, raps package deal