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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#41 » by shangrila » Wed Sep 14, 2011 11:44 pm

Krapinsky wrote:They don't what?

Have different playing styles. Sorry, should have been more clear.

I think the obvious larger point isn't that "Beasley is an ISO scorer" -- that isn't a bad thing, rather the point being made was that ISO scoring is all Beasley is good for (with poor efficiency). The difference in rates above show that Mayo is also more of a facilitator.

Nevertheless, Mayo isn't used as an ISO scorer as much since he's the third option at best on his own team. He's been foremost a catch and shoot player for them for nearly two years running. He has a skillset to create open shots -- off the ball -- that Beasley doesn't bring to the team.

This is my point though; you're comparing what was basically a #1 option (Beasley, no matter how bad he might be at it) to a role player (Mayo). Of course their playing styles are going to be different, they're asked to do completely different things.

Now, Mayo is a better passer, I'm not disputing that. But the guy was an ISO player when he was asked to be a scorer in his first season or two. It's not a bad thing either, just how it is/was.

As for Beasley, he played more or less off the ball in Miami and, advanced statwise, was probably better at it. So he can do it, although maybe not the same as Mayo.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#42 » by Krapinsky » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:01 am

AQuintus wrote:According to Synergy Sports, Beasley had 31.4% of his plays in iso, and Mayo had 10.7% of his plays in iso.

Mayo was used more in spot-ups (26.4%) and transition (20.8%) than anything.


Thanks. Do you have Beasley's Miami numbers? My hunch is that his ISO % will still be around 30%.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#43 » by moss_is_1 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:13 am

Jodi wrote:Send Beasley to the Pistons for Austin Daye or Jonas Jerebko!!


Give us Monroe.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#44 » by AQuintus » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:17 am

Krapinsky wrote:Thanks. Do you have Beasley's Miami numbers? My hunch is that his ISO % will still be around 30%.


Nope, sorry. I use the free mysynergysports.com site that only has this last year's numbers.

Edit:

I'd also like to say that I like Beasley and I'd be really upset if we trade him (especially if we trade him for Mayo, who I don't like).
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#45 » by Krapinsky » Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:23 am

My point was only that if Beasley won't be good in Adelman's system because he's a low BBIQ, iso dependent player, that the same cannot be said for Mayo.

I'd prefer to keep Beasley as well.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#46 » by Vindicater » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:01 pm

Krapinsky wrote:My point was only that if Beasley won't be good in Adelman's system because he's a low BBIQ, iso dependent player, that the same cannot be said for Mayo.

I'd prefer to keep Beasley as well.


What Adelman system are you talking about though?

The Kings system?
The Houston system?
The Blazers system?

Each was different because Adelman changes his system depending on his players.
"That's why the last two years weren't guaranteed," Walsh said. "Either way, he knew it could have happened either way."
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#47 » by Krapinsky » Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:55 pm

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Krapinsky wrote:My point was only that if Beasley won't be good in Adelman's system because he's a low BBIQ, iso dependent player, that the same cannot be said for Mayo.

I'd prefer to keep Beasley as well.


What Adelman system are you talking about though?

The Kings system?
The Houston system?
The Blazers system?

Each was different because Adelman changes his system depending on his players.


I think this is being overstated by Zgoda. Not sure about his Portland days, 20 years ago or whatever, but to my knowledge he's been running the same "system" for a long time, only it's flexible enough that he can tweak it to emphasize his better players skillsets (i.e. feed Yao).
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#48 » by Den Masters » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:50 am

i'm really not sure why beasley trade or beasley out threads are a common theme in this forum nowadays.


newsflash: adelman coached jason "white chocolate" williams in sacramento for 3 years. now tell me if bealsey is more of a headcase than jwill? that is all.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#49 » by PG24 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:05 am

Den Masters wrote:i'm really not sure why beasley trade or beasley out threads are a common theme in this forum nowadays.


newsflash: adelman coached jason "white chocolate" williams in sacramento for 3 years. now tell me if bealsey is more of a headcase than jwill? that is all.


Beasley is not a headcase.

Newsflash. Adelman wanted rid of Williams because he couldn't play smart basketball.

It remains to be seen if Beasley can play smart basketball.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#50 » by canucklife21 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:20 am

i also remember jason williams siting on the bench in 4th quarters and bobby jackson in his place. However i hope b-easy makes all us "haters" eat our words.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#51 » by Den Masters » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:57 am

PG24 wrote:
Den Masters wrote:i'm really not sure why beasley trade or beasley out threads are a common theme in this forum nowadays.


newsflash: adelman coached jason "white chocolate" williams in sacramento for 3 years. now tell me if bealsey is more of a headcase than jwill? that is all.


Beasley is not a headcase.

Newsflash. Adelman wanted rid of Williams because he couldn't play smart basketball.

It remains to be seen if Beasley can play smart basketball.



i followed sactown ball from 1998-2002. adelman only requested jwill to be traded on his third year. the owners didn't even want jwill traded because he was a hot sell at arco arena, ticket wise.
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#52 » by Den Masters » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:58 am

canucklife21 wrote:i also remember jason williams siting on the bench in 4th quarters and bobby jackson in his place. However i hope b-easy makes all us "haters" eat our words.



who stated "haters"? not sure if you're quoting the right person, but i have not stated that word in my post.

i'm only surprised at the "trade beasley" posts that has been going on this summer.


what does jwill having to sit out 4th quarters have anything to do with ppl wanting beasley traded? :lol:
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Re: Adelman In, Beasley Out? 

Post#53 » by Vindicater » Sat Sep 17, 2011 1:41 am

Krapinsky wrote:
Vindicater wrote:
Krapinsky wrote:My point was only that if Beasley won't be good in Adelman's system because he's a low BBIQ, iso dependent player, that the same cannot be said for Mayo.

I'd prefer to keep Beasley as well.


What Adelman system are you talking about though?

The Kings system?
The Houston system?
The Blazers system?

Each was different because Adelman changes his system depending on his players.


I think this is being overstated by Zgoda. Not sure about his Portland days, 20 years ago or whatever, but to my knowledge he's been running the same "system" for a long time, only it's flexible enough that he can tweak it to emphasize his better players skillsets (i.e. feed Yao).


This Wolves team is much closer to the trailblazers team he had in terms of mental attitude.

Back then Adelman simplky rolled out the balls and let his guys run teams off the floor. That team was athletically gifted.
"That's why the last two years weren't guaranteed," Walsh said. "Either way, he knew it could have happened either way."

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