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Post#61 » by kyrv » Thu Sep 15, 2011 7:44 pm

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Ralphb07 wrote:I just want to go on record to say Boozer is going to have a killer season this year.


Before he gets hurt u mean....

I hope Boozer kills. Becuase if he doesnt then itll be impossible to trade him when we need to.


It is possible that the new CBA will make the Bulls want to trade one of their four big contracts (well including Rose here), and it is possible that they will choose Boozer as the one to move. He is the oldest and has an injury history, although his skills besides Rose, would be hardest to replace.

Anyway, seems like a long way away to be worrying about 'needing' to trade Boozer?
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Post#62 » by chadrucf » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:09 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:I just want to go on record to say Boozer is going to have a killer season this year.


Before he gets hurt u mean....

I hope Boozer kills. Becuase if he doesnt then itll be impossible to trade him when we need to.



Besides winning a championship you mean...
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Post#63 » by biggestbullsfan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:09 pm

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biggestbullsfan wrote:
Ralphb07 wrote:I just want to go on record to say Boozer is going to have a killer season this year.


Before he gets hurt u mean....

I hope Boozer kills. Becuase if he doesnt then itll be impossible to trade him when we need to.


It is possible that the new CBA will make the Bulls want to trade one of their four big contracts (well including Rose here), and it is possible that they will choose Boozer as the one to move. He is the oldest and has an injury history, although his skills besides Rose, would be hardest to replace.

Anyway, seems like a long way away to be worrying about 'needing' to trade Boozer?


I was talking more when he becomes an expiring contract. I want him if he is healthy, even if his defense is lazier than snorlax.
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Post#64 » by basghetti80 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:21 pm

How about Ronnie Brewer and a future pick to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia? Obviously this is only an option if there is no MLE to use. Garcia has good size, can play both SG and SF, decent ball handler and shooter and makes a modest contract. Has had some injuries but if healthy can score the basketball some.
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Post#65 » by jl342323 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:24 pm

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jl342323 wrote:at least he is capable of leading his team to WCF...


To suggest that Boozer led that Jazz team is preposterous.


who carried the load on the offense then?
deron shot 43% from the field in the first round and 38% in the second round, while avging only 16 pts per game.

boozer avged 24 pts 12 rebs while shooing roughly 55% from the field. got to the line more than 10 times in a game 3 times in first two rounds of the playoffs. and in that same stretch he had 3+ assists per game and 1+ steals per game.

he had a monster playoffs and led that team to the WCF.
its simple he had the best numbers with most FG attempts, and he was efficient in doing it.
^ = leading his team to WCF
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Post#66 » by PMONSTER » Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:41 pm

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Well then the Bulls collapse in the last game must have us really bummed?

But I don't agree with your assessment of his history nor do I think fans overly value one game. At least not fans on this forum.

I'm also not sure of what your conclusion is, should the Bulls just go get the PF that's better than 20.6/18.5?


Oh and kyrv... stop trying to be a troll :wink:


How about we talk about the topic, and you not try to make things personal? /wink


Not trying to make things personal but you do have a little a troll in you in that's ok. Besides nobody told you to stay on topic when you was making Bargnani jokes. :wink:

1. How do you not agree with my assessment of Boozer's history..... Boozer did that, not me
2. You don't think fans value games (not one) that are elimination games when a player does bad hmmmmmmm
3. My conclusion with that PER thing was to show people that Boozer plays the same way in the regular season in the playoffs. He just gets more minutes
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Post#67 » by jl342323 » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:05 pm

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My conclusion with that PER thing was to show people that Boozer plays the same way in the regular season in the playoffs. He just gets more minutes


huh?
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Post#68 » by biggestbullsfan » Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:56 pm

basghetti80 wrote:How about Ronnie Brewer and a future pick to Sacramento for Francisco Garcia? Obviously this is only an option if there is no MLE to use. Garcia has good size, can play both SG and SF, decent ball handler and shooter and makes a modest contract. Has had some injuries but if healthy can score the basketball some.


Waaaay too much for Garcia. Brewer is our best defender and creates offense with his D.

No chance in hell he gets moved unless its for as legit second option. Garcia isnt even better than Brewer.
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Post#69 » by JohnnyKILLroy » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:48 am

basghetti80 - I don't care what anyone says. I think your trades are awesome.
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Post#70 » by othawhitemeat » Fri Sep 16, 2011 12:02 pm

I know I may be in a minority and would need to see how the lockout is, but I am all about trading Noah for a good young shooting guard if possible (if we keep Boozer). I love Noah and what he brings, but he is going to struggle against bigs that are tough. If we take a risk on Asik at least he can cover up some of Boozer's flaws a little better. If players beat Boozer to the lane, Asik is much bigger and can clean up things a lot better. This though, is only if you can get a young and good fit next to Rose.
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Post#71 » by chadrucf » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:44 pm

othawhitemeat wrote:I know I may be in a minority and would need to see how the lockout is, but I am all about trading Noah for a good young shooting guard if possible (if we keep Boozer). I love Noah and what he brings, but he is going to struggle against bigs that are tough. If we take a risk on Asik at least he can cover up some of Boozer's flaws a little better. If players beat Boozer to the lane, Asik is much bigger and can clean up things a lot better. This though, is only if you can get a young and good fit next to Rose.


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Post#72 » by BoozerRoNo » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:16 pm

What happened with trying to get Jackson?
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Post#73 » by biggestbullsfan » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:29 pm

BoozerRoNo wrote:Iggy, Pargo, Scal and Butler's million expiring, and Gooden to Cavs
Varejao, Lucas, Bogans, 3 million from Chicago and Bobcat's pick to Milwaukeee
Jackson to Bulls

Bulls then sign Carter and resign Kurt Thomas

PG-Rose, Watson
SG-Jackson, Carter, Brewer
SF-Deng, Korver, Butler
PF-Boozer, Gibson
C-Noah, Asik, Thomas


For one, who is iggy? lol, for two, I would love Jackson but his contract is huge and terrible and he is too old for us to take on all that money for a short term fix.

I do like the team but i dont c the trade.
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Post#74 » by BoozerRoNo » Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:33 pm

biggestbullsfan wrote:
BoozerRoNo wrote:Iggy, Pargo, Scal and Butler's million expiring, and Gooden to Cavs
Varejao, Lucas, Bogans, 3 million from Chicago and Bobcat's pick to Milwaukeee
Jackson to Bulls

Bulls then sign Carter and resign Kurt Thomas

PG-Rose, Watson
SG-Jackson, Carter, Brewer
SF-Deng, Korver, Butler
PF-Boozer, Gibson
C-Noah, Asik, Thomas


For one, who is iggy? lol, for two, I would love Jackson but his contract is huge and terrible and he is too old for us to take on all that money for a short term fix.

I do like the team but i dont c the trade.


I edited my post before you submitted it. I realized I forget to include the 76'ers in the deal.
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Post#75 » by NDave79 » Fri Sep 16, 2011 8:28 pm

othawhitemeat wrote:I know I may be in a minority and would need to see how the lockout is, but I am all about trading Noah for a good young shooting guard if possible (if we keep Boozer). I love Noah and what he brings, but he is going to struggle against bigs that are tough. If we take a risk on Asik at least he can cover up some of Boozer's flaws a little better. If players beat Boozer to the lane, Asik is much bigger and can clean up things a lot better. This though, is only if you can get a young and good fit next to Rose.


This is actually something I've thought about as well. This would also allow us to keep Omer and Gibson long term. I'd love to make a trade work Eric Gordon, but more realistically it would be more along the lines of Ellis, Iggy, or maybe Kevin Martin.
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Post#76 » by BuffaloBull » Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:10 pm

NDave79 wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:I know I may be in a minority and would need to see how the lockout is, but I am all about trading Noah for a good young shooting guard if possible (if we keep Boozer). I love Noah and what he brings, but he is going to struggle against bigs that are tough. If we take a risk on Asik at least he can cover up some of Boozer's flaws a little better. If players beat Boozer to the lane, Asik is much bigger and can clean up things a lot better. This though, is only if you can get a young and good fit next to Rose.


This is actually something I've thought about as well. This would also allow us to keep Omer and Gibson long term. I'd love to make a trade work Eric Gordon, but more realistically it would be more along the lines of Ellis, Iggy, or maybe Kevin Martin.


Kevin Martin is the one guy I can see adding that would really complete this team.

He's not a great defender, but neither was Ray Allen before he got to Boston. But little K-Mart would give us a floorspacer + another guy who can generate efficient points via freethrows. I don't see another guy out there for us who can really do that at the 2 guard spot.

The question is, how much would Martin be worth in a trade, and do we have anything that Houston wants? Judging by the trade deadline, they really wanted Omer Asik, and I doubt that getting Thabeet did anything to change that. But I don't know if you can build a package around Omer + considerations and an expendable player or two gets it done for Houston.

The real question is does Houston want to tank next year? Vets like Martin and Scola are keeping them in contention, but without any superstar talents all of Morey's moves aren't going to move the needle much. But if Houston does decide to go young and cheap, then I'd expect the Bulls to make a pretty strong move.
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Post#77 » by bullsnewdynasty » Fri Sep 16, 2011 11:06 pm

BoozerRoNo wrote:What happened with trying to get Jackson?


I guess we could still acquire him but he's similar to Rip in that his contract is hefty and runs 2 more years while being likely that it will hinder our ability to re-sign Rose.
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Post#78 » by Ben » Sat Sep 17, 2011 3:27 am

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NDave79 wrote:
othawhitemeat wrote:I know I may be in a minority and would need to see how the lockout is, but I am all about trading Noah for a good young shooting guard if possible (if we keep Boozer). I love Noah and what he brings, but he is going to struggle against bigs that are tough. If we take a risk on Asik at least he can cover up some of Boozer's flaws a little better. If players beat Boozer to the lane, Asik is much bigger and can clean up things a lot better. This though, is only if you can get a young and good fit next to Rose.


This is actually something I've thought about as well. This would also allow us to keep Omer and Gibson long term. I'd love to make a trade work Eric Gordon, but more realistically it would be more along the lines of Ellis, Iggy, or maybe Kevin Martin.


Kevin Martin is the one guy I can see adding that would really complete this team.

He's not a great defender, but neither was Ray Allen before he got to Boston. But little K-Mart would give us a floorspacer + another guy who can generate efficient points via freethrows. I don't see another guy out there for us who can really do that at the 2 guard spot.

The question is, how much would Martin be worth in a trade, and do we have anything that Houston wants? Judging by the trade deadline, they really wanted Omer Asik, and I doubt that getting Thabeet did anything to change that. But I don't know if you can build a package around Omer + considerations and an expendable player or two gets it done for Houston.

The real question is does Houston want to tank next year? Vets like Martin and Scola are keeping them in contention, but without any superstar talents all of Morey's moves aren't going to move the needle much. But if Houston does decide to go young and cheap, then I'd expect the Bulls to make a pretty strong move.


Houston would probably want Noah for Martin. And given that we didn't seem willing to move Noah for Melo (assuming that he really would have come here, which I don't fully buy), I doubt that we would move him for Martin.
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Post#79 » by kyrv » Sat Sep 17, 2011 4:01 am

^^ As others have noted, three teams with SG's are perhaps the 3 hardest to deal with, Houston and Portland in general and Memphis for the Bulls.

At this point I'm kind of assuming the Bulls will keep Taj and Omer and sign the best SG they can find, which I'm actually fine with. Once the CBA is figured out they'll need to determine who they can keep as far as backups. And they might have a better idea by midseason if Noah is really tradeable.
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Post#80 » by BeKuK » Sat Sep 17, 2011 12:10 pm

Kevin Martin would be a great fit, imo. He's 28years old and played 7 seasons.

career averages_
- 18.5ppg
- 2.0apg
- 3.5rpg
- 1.0spg

- 0.381 3P%
- 0.445 FG%
- 0.863 FT%

- 17.5 PER
- 58.0 TS%

Per 36 Minutes (Career):

- 21.3 pts
- 4.1 reb
- 2.3 ast

- FGA 14.3 / FG 6.4 (season 2010/11 = 17.5 / 7.6)
- 3PA 4.6 / 3P 1.8 (season 2010/11 = 6.3 / 2.4)
- FTA 7.8 / FT 6.8 (season 2010/11 = 9.3 / 8.2)

Absolutely a great fit for the Bulls roster, but no chance to get him......or better, we wouldn't give Houston what they would want for him!

A type of player like Kevin would help us to beat the Miami Heat in a 7 games series.

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