Conference shuffling?

Post #81 » by **craig01** » Sun Jun 5, 2011 12:22 pm

J-Kidd32 wrote:i still think Nebraska and Colorado should have stayed in the Big 12. Why is La Tech in the WAC? shouldnt they be somewhere else? TCU should have been added to the Big 12. Boise St. and Nevada to the Pac-12.

What is done is done.

1-Why they left? $$$$$$$$$$

2-Why they left? Exposure

3-Why they left? $$$$$$$$

La Tech would be a good fit for CUSA.....but there ain't no openings.

Boise St and Nevada don't have the support, facilities, nor academics to be a Pac-10 member.

chadrucf · Post #82 » by **chadrucf** » Mon Sep 5, 2011 1:35 pm

mizzoupacers wrote:I don't think Missouri ever had much chance of a Big 10 invitation. MU just doesn't offer the Big 10 anything special--no phenomenally successful football program like Nebraska, no big bucks and tradition like Notre Dame, no lucrative new market like the East Coast schools (especially since Illinois already gives the Big 10 a share of the St. Louis market).

Missouri was pretty much screwed from the get-go. It didn't help that MU administrators didn't realize this. They bought their own BS about MU's attractiveness to the Big 10, but probably the only harm done by this is that it added an avoidable PR black eye to an unpreventable situation.

With the prospect of competing against Texas and Oklahoma football on even more uneven terms than before, I'm sure Missouri would be happy to bolt from the Big 12. But the Big 10 seems like a long-shot...I think it only happens if Notre Dame joins, the East Coast schools all say no, and the Big 10 feels like it still needs a fourteenth team to balance schedules.

I wonder if the SEC would be more interested in Missouri, if that conference ever decides to expand.

I agree with you here. The one thing Missouri has going for it is that the school is strong in every aspect: Good football, good basketball, good market, good research/academics. It doesn't have the drawbacks of some of the other candidates that are great in areas and poor in others. It is a solid candidate that a conference would feel secure in adopting as a filler school.

chadrucf · Post #83 » by **chadrucf** » Mon Sep 5, 2011 1:41 pm

As a partisan fan, I'm hoping for realignment that dissolves the Big 12. In that scenario, the remaining BCS conferences would need serious makeovers to remain competitive with each other. This is the type of climate that would allow a school like UCF (my school) to move into an automatic qualifier conference. Schools like UCF/Houston/USM/BYU/etc have to most to gain out of this chaos, and would be huge for those programs to build on their current success.

Post #84 » by **craig01** » Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:28 pm

chadrucf wrote:As a partisan fan, I'm hoping for realignment that dissolves the Big 12. In that scenario, the remaining BCS conferences would need serious makeovers to remain competitive with each other. This is the type of climate that would allow a school like UCF (my school) to move into an automatic qualifier conference. Schools like UCF/Houston/USM/BYU/etc have to most to gain out of this chaos, and would be huge for those programs to build on their current success.

Not really, in fact if there were to be just the 4 super conferences with each having 16 teams, UCF would almost assuredly be left out.

Also left out would be other fringe programs like Iowa St, USF and much of the BE, Baylor and on and on

chadrucf · Post #85 » by **chadrucf** » Wed Sep 7, 2011 11:42 pm

Yes I agree. I'm assuming 5 super conferences, including the Big East, all getting BCS qualified. It's a long shot, but UCF getting into an automatic qualifier conference is one anyway.

Post #86 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Sep 8, 2011 6:46 am

I see Iowa St, Baylor and Kansas St keeping the Big-12 together through legal means. The key is that A&M can leave as long Oklahoma doesn't give the death blow. Missouri could go to the SEC no problem. Oklahoma can not go to the PAC and force the Big-12 under. I think if A&M leaves you end up with BYU, Boise and San Diego State going to the Big 12.

Post #87 » by **craig01** » Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:13 pm

chadrucf wrote:Yes I agree. I'm assuming 5 super conferences, including the Big East, all getting BCS qualified. It's a long shot, but UCF getting into an automatic qualifier conference is one anyway.

There won't be five.

There would only be four unfortunately.

That leaves the leftovers of the Big 12 and Big East on the outside looking in with everyone else.

It's really a bad thing if it is about to happen.....and not just for UCF but all of those fringe AQ schools as well.

The disparity between the AQ's and others will increase significantly

Post #88 » by **craig01** » Thu Sep 8, 2011 8:19 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:I see Iowa St, Baylor and Kansas St keeping the Big-12 together through legal means. The key is that A&M can leave as long Oklahoma doesn't give the death blow. Missouri could go to the SEC no problem. Oklahoma can not go to the PAC and force the Big-12 under. I think if A&M leaves you end up with BYU, Boise and San Diego State going to the Big 12.

The writing is on the wall IMO.

The fringe schools can try and block this all they want, but it appears inevitable that schools will leave, and that the Big 12 is likely finished.

In case Oklahoma "recommits" I doubt that the Big 12 would look to Boise or San Diego St......more likely for a salvage deal would be Air Force, BYU, and maybe Houston......

Post #89 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:00 am

Oklahoma is pushing the issue. I want all conferences to be large if the Big-12 explodes. The Big East doesn't deserve an auto-bid if they have 8 teams consistently out of the top 25.

chadrucf · Post #90 » by **chadrucf** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:26 am

The ACC really isn't much better, although they have one really great team this year. There are really only three power conferences in college football moving forward under the current alignment.

Post #91 » by **craig01** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 10:26 pm

DelaneyRudd wrote:Oklahoma is pushing the issue. I want all conferences to be large if the Big-12 explodes. The Big East doesn't deserve an auto-bid if they have 8 teams consistently out of the top 25.

The BE as a football conference the way we know it will implode.

The ACC will take the top feeders of some combination of (Pitt, WV, Rutgers, UCONN, Syracuse, Louisville)

It'll be Pac 12, SEC, Big Ten, ACC

chadrucf · Post #92 » by **chadrucf** » Tue Sep 13, 2011 11:03 pm

Why Rutgers? Solely based on their NJ market?

Post #93 » by **craig01** » Wed Sep 14, 2011 12:00 am

chadrucf wrote:Why Rutgers? Solely based on their NJ market?

Rutgers would actually be a longshot as they have been rumored for a Big 10 invite.

And yes, because of the market.

G-Heel · Post #94 » by **G-Heel** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:23 am

USF will be one of the top teams losing out if realignment happens.

Post #95 » by **craig01** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 12:38 am

G-Heel wrote:USF will be one of the top teams losing out if realignment happens.

Yeah, if the BE gets raided that conference will be sitting on the bubble of a catastrophe.

Post #96 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:29 am

If the Big East goes under too there may be a push for a Football only D-1 conference with BYU, TCU, and other left overs. They could put together a decent group.

South Florida, Hawaii, Baylor, K-State, Iowa State, TCU, BYU, Boise St., heck most of the Big East Schools that don't get picked up by others.

That will allow the other sports to join more compact regional conferences for everything else like BYU and Hawaii did. The Big East stays as a Basketball conference power and the football conference likely would end up qualifying for a BCS auto-bid based on the metrics in the BCS deal.

Post #97 » by **craig01** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 6:25 pm

ESPN reporting that Pitt and Syracuse have applied to the ACC.

Post #98 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:08 pm

If everything went to 4 16 team conferences 3 schools would be left out if you count TCU as being in. I think that may be what ends up happening. TCU, Baylor, K-State, Iowa State, South Florida, Cincinatti, Louisville are the schools that would be sweating. No one from the 4 surviving conferences would be out.

Post #99 » by **DelaneyRudd** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 10:08 pm

Actually it would be 4 because Notre Dame would be forced into the Big 10.

Jaruff · Post #100 » by **Jaruff** » Sat Sep 17, 2011 11:37 pm

I would limit Conferences to 12 teams and bring back the Big West. :nod:

At least the Sun Belt will survive this ordeal.