Shumpert lighting up the Vegas League

[Falstaffxx]

Damn been working non stop, didnt realize vegas summer league in action??? Any way to watch over internet?

It's not the traditional summer league, which was cancelled because of the lockout. It's a player-organized exhibition series with a mix of veterans and younger players. Not too many big stars or top draft picks, but decent competition. They're not streaming it, but there have been some highlights posted.

IMO the comp is better than your typical summer league. There are a lot of vets playing that wouldnt usually play in a summer league.

True, but the games are less formal than summer league games.

[ITGM]

The Iman dunk on Crawford you all have been looking for. It should start around the :29 sec mark.
Enjoy!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaQVxDWhP6Q[/youtube]


After Javale dunk - lol at :18 John wall face is like, "SMH, this clumsy muphucka"

[BKAY]

The Iman dunk on Crawford you all have been looking for. It should start around the :29 sec mark.
Enjoy!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TaQVxDWhP6Q[/youtube]


After Javale dunk - lol at :18 John wall face is like, "SMH, this clumsy muphucka"

DAMMMM very vince carter-esque

[NYman15]

That was a sick dunk by Iman. People have said before he should be in the dunk contest. I love everything I'm hearing about Iman. He seems to be impressing everybody that watches him. I think the Knicks might have another steal on their hands.

[method]

That was a sick dunk by Iman. People have said before he should be in the dunk contest. I love everything I'm hearing about Iman. He seems to be impressing everybody that watches him. I think the Knicks might have another steal on their hands.

Thats what happens when we have competent scouts working for us...remember when we had the longest drought of the crappiest draft picks known to man.I mean players that didnt even stick in the league.Sad to say it but that stopped as soon as IT was hired,if anything I would love to hire IT as a scout and I hate IT with a passion.Yes and I know IT didnt have anything to do with Iman.....

[truth serum]

I will say this...Iman seems like Isiah's kind of player. He probably would have taken him at 17 as well.

[Falstaffxx]

I will say this...Iman seems like Isiah's kind of player. He probably would have taken him at 17 as well.

I think he would have taken Singleton. He likes those small forwards - Chandler, Ariza, Balkman

[method]

I will say this...Iman seems like Isiah's kind of player. He probably would have taken him at 17 as well.

Oh yeah without a doubt,he would of probably traded Fields to move up 2 spots to pick Iman because he got word that Phoenix was going to draft him ...LOL.

[Gregory151]

More highlights.. Chauncey & Imans part starts at 1:09.. Chauncey looks good.. This lockout has to end

http://blip.tv/ballislife/impact-day-6- ... re-5573664

[Capn'O]

I will say this...Iman seems like Isiah's kind of player. He probably would have taken him at 17 as well.

It wouldn't surprise me if Isiah had a hand in the Iman drafting though I don't think he did.

The Shumpert pick is somewhat reminiscent of the Chandler pick - an excellent athlete, played through his junior year, has a solid head on his shoulders (attitude/work ethic wise), with skills that didn't quite come together in college but were obviously there.

Both were calculated gambles on players that were slated to be picked later.

[nykballa2k4]

Shumpert and Billups are going to get us Paul... I am trying to not get attached.

If no trade happens though, I will be glad to have yet another top 5 rookie on this team.

[KnicksScholar24]

5 apg playing off the ball isn't bad, but I love the 7 rpg. Imaging a backcourt of Shumpert and Fields terrorizing the boards, which is very critical for this team since Stoudemire and Turiaf are below average rebounders for bigs. Melo grabs close to 8 rpg at SF, so he's not shabby either. I love jack-of-all-trade players. It would be even better if NY could bring back Chandler. He'd fit right in.

[Falstaffxx]

5 apg playing off the ball isn't bad, but I love the 7 rpg. Imaging a backcourt of Shumpert and Fields terrorizing the boards, which is very critical for this team since Stoudemire and Turiaf are below average rebounders for bigs. Melo grabs close to 8 rpg at SF, so he's not shabby either. I love jack-of-all-trade players. It would be even better if NY could bring back Chandler. He'd fit right in.

Stoudemire is not a "below average rebounder" and Carmelo doesn't "grab close to 8 rpg."

[KnicksScholar24]

Stoudemire is a terrible rebounder. The Knicks probably would have won 5-10 more games last year if he boxed out anyone. The amount of possessions the Knicks get in a game, he should get well over 8.3 rpg, playing nearly 37 mpg. Carmelo was grabbing close to 8 rpg earlier in the season with the Nuggest last year. I don't remember what he ended up with at the end of the season, but it couldn't have been much less.

Anthony's actual rebounding numbers from last season. 7.6 rpg with Denver, 6.7 rpg with Knicks, and 7.3 rpg combined. Really, that's not close to 8 rpgs?

How about you know what you're taking about before you quote someone and claim they gave bad information.

[ibraheim718]

5 apg playing off the ball isn't bad, but I love the 7 rpg. Imaging a backcourt of Shumpert and Fields terrorizing the boards, which is very critical for this team since Stoudemire and Turiaf are below average rebounders for bigs. Melo grabs close to 8 rpg at SF, so he's not shabby either. I love jack-of-all-trade players. It would be even better if NY could bring back Chandler. He'd fit right in.

Actually defending the perimeter and preventing paint penetration is more important from your guards then having them rebound.... so in saying that imagining a backcourt of Douglas and Shumpert terrorizing the perimeter and ball hawking is way more exciting.

[ibraheim718]

Stoudemire is a terrible rebounder. The Knicks probably would have won 5-10 more games last year if he boxed out anyone. The amount of possessions the Knicks get in a game, he should get well over 8.3 rpg, playing nearly 37 mpg. Carmelo was grabbing close to 8 rpg earlier in the season with the Nuggest last year. I don't remember what he ended up with at the end of the season, but it couldn't have been much less.

Anthony's actual rebounding numbers from last season. 7.6 rpg with Denver, 6.7 rpg with Knicks, and 7.3 rpg combined. Really, that's not close to 8 rpgs?

How about you know what you're taking about before you quote someone and claim they gave bad information.

Stat is an average rebounder and Melo is an above average rebounder for their positions. I wouldn't call Stat a terrible rebounder that my friend is exaggerating. All we need is a center to put up nice rebounding numbers and we'll be fine... you start relying on your guards to rebound (even though in D'antoni's system guards rebounding is pretty much a sin, he wants them leaking out) and your in trouble.

And this roster has 5 open spots so we could very well sign a bruising type of center that rebounds well enough someone like a kwame Brown.

[Falstaffxx]

Stoudemire is a terrible rebounder. The Knicks probably would have won 5-10 more games last year if he boxed out anyone. The amount of possessions the Knicks get in a game, he should get well over 8.3 rpg, playing nearly 37 mpg. Carmelo was grabbing close to 8 rpg earlier in the season with the Nuggest last year. I don't remember what he ended up with at the end of the season, but it couldn't have been much less.

Anthony's actual rebounding numbers from last season. 7.6 rpg with Denver, 6.7 rpg with Knicks, and 7.3 rpg combined. Really, that's not close to 8 rpgs?

How about you know what you're taking about before you quote someone and claim they gave bad information.

It doesn't matter what you think Stoudemire "should get" - his rebounding numbers are about average.

And no, Carmelo's 7.3 rebounds (which is higher than his career average of 6.3) are not "close to 8" lol. What kind of BS is this?

[Capn'O]

Well, regardless of Stat's rebounding prowess/lack thereof, Mike D likes using guards to grab boards while the bigs/wings get ahead on the break so his ability to grab boards will certainly help the transition game (another of Shumpert's known strengths). Maybe he'll be the transition PG and Billups the PG for halfcourt sets? I can definitely see D' doing something like that.

[Knicks_Fan2]

Best stat to use for this debate is rebound rate--I don't have the time to post them now but will a little later.

[KnicksScholar24]

Whatever. Some people here just want to argue. Stoudemire is not an average rebounder, if the amount of extra possessions the teams he has played on is taken into account. If you can add 0.7 to a SF's rpg number and you gives you 8 rpg, then that is pretty close to 8 rpg. It's closer to 7, but even 7 rpg for a SF is above average.

This means, if Fields and Shumpert are in the backcourt with Melo at the 3, that would be a good rebound 1-3 trio. The bigs still need to box out on the defensive glass. Backcourt players shouldn't need to assist on the boards often.

Anyway, not to hijack the thread. It's exciting to hear what Billups said about Shumpert. About wanting to make him a star. I'd like to see him run point one game. I think there are a lot of point guards in the league, so he has been playing off-the-ball to get some experience there. This stat line 18.5, 7, 5 with good defense is great, imo, even if it's just a fall league.