Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread

[S.W.A.N]

Larry Coon was chatting about CBA today.... a very good chat, he has some good ideas and knows his stuff

Larry Coon
My prediction continues to be that when all is said & done, we will continue to have a soft cap system, but it will be tighter than it was before — i.e., some exceptions will be cut back or eliminated.

Bird rights (re-signing your own players when you are over the cap) is even acknowledged by the league as a good thing, and I expect them to remain.

I also expect the mid-level to remain, because it’s the principal means of preserving the NBA’s middle class. However, it doesn’t need to stay at five years. I expect the contract length to be cut back — maybe to three years.

I can see sign-and-trade, as well as the bi-annual, going away.

As long as the owners get the revenue split where they need it to be, they can tolerate a soft cap — especially one with the exceptions reined-in a little.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/salary-cap-ch ... oon-92111/

[RocLaFamilia]

Larry Coon was chatting about CBA today.... a very good chat, he has some good ideas and knows his stuff

Larry Coon
My prediction continues to be that when all is said & done, we will continue to have a soft cap system, but it will be tighter than it was before — i.e., some exceptions will be cut back or eliminated.

Bird rights (re-signing your own players when you are over the cap) is even acknowledged by the league as a good thing, and I expect them to remain.

I also expect the mid-level to remain, because it’s the principal means of preserving the NBA’s middle class. However, it doesn’t need to stay at five years. I expect the contract length to be cut back — maybe to three years.

I can see sign-and-trade, as well as the bi-annual, going away.

As long as the owners get the revenue split where they need it to be, they can tolerate a soft cap — especially one with the exceptions reined-in a little.

http://www.hoopsworld.com/salary-cap-ch ... oon-92111/

And maybe even adding for every 1$ over the cap, its a 2$ tax instead of 1$. But I think the current system is pretty good, those changes are good I think.

[Laowai]

I see no way that any modification of the current system will survive.
There will be a hard cap likely in the low 60 millions.
All exemptions will be terminated including, players options, and players trade bonus.
By keeping exemptions it perpetuates the lack of competitive balance the league needs.
The hardliners are at least 2 to 1 versus the doves.

[S.W.A.N]

I see no way that any modification of the current system will survive.
There will be a hard cap likely in the low 60 millions.
All exemptions will be terminated including, players options, and players trade bonus.
By keeping exemptions it perpetuates the lack of competitive balance the league needs.
The hardliners are at least 2 to 1 versus the doves.

Then there is no way you see us having a season... Players will not agree to this


And true competitive balance is a myth. Top Markets will always have an inherent advantage, its all about making it profitable for lower end teams.

[S.W.A.N]

I would like to see the sign and trade disappear. Make it more likely for Star Players to stay with their original franchises...

Adjust the draft so that the bottom 8 teams are better rewarded (there are articles out there about this, and its highly likely that something to this effect is coming)

Increase revenue sharing (its going to happen)

Regardless of hard cap or soft cap this next deal is going to make the league more competitive, and will certainly benefit the raps (well the owners for sure, and hopefully the team as well)

I just really hope we get a full season in.

[Parataxis]

Adjust the draft so that the bottom 8 teams are better rewarded (there are articles out there about this, and its highly likely that something to this effect is coming)

Oh god, I hope not. The last thing the NBA needs is another excuse for teams to tank.

[S.W.A.N]

Adjust the draft so that the bottom 8 teams are better rewarded (there are articles out there about this, and its highly likely that something to this effect is coming)

Oh god, I hope not. The last thing the NBA needs is another excuse for teams to tank.

I disagree, I think you make tanking effective (increase a teams talent pool quickly) and you will not end up with the same teams at the bottom year after year. Eventually talent can outrun bad management (see clippers)

[CrymeTime]

They should adjust the draft lottery where the:
picks 1-4 are decided by lottery
remaining picks, 5-14, are decided by coin flip between picks 5/6, 7/8, 9/10, 11/12, 13/14

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The Salary Cap should be set at $58 Million
Lv 1 tax: $58M-$62M: $1 for $1 tax
Lv 2 tax: $62M-$68M: $1.5 for $1 tax
Lv 3 tax:$68M-$73M: $2 for $1 tax
Lv 4 tax:Greater than $73M: $2.5 for $1 tax

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If they shorten the season 76 games would be a good number to go with.

4 games vs division teams = 16 games
3 games vs non-division teams = 30 games***
2 games vs other conference teams = 30 games

***for example the Raptors face:
Det, Chi, Mia, Orl, Was (2 times at home, 1 time on the road)
Ind, Atl, Cha, Mil, Cle (1 time at home, 2 times on the road)

the following year it would be the opposite.
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[Rapsfan07]

What is decertification?

[highness]

@ChrisKaman
Chris Kaman
So I heard from the inside that we might actually have a full season still and some low key meetings r going on right now!

Kaman better not be trolling us

[S.W.A.N]

http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl ... lks_092211



I hate me some agents right now... They better not screw this up

Some basic math players need to recognise, that the agents are not telling them (average nba career 5 years assumed here)

5 years total earning minus 10% is far greater than
4 years and 8%.

Lose a year because Agents think they can get a better deal means losing 20% of your entire NBA earnings for the average player...

If the Union gets a deal done at 50% or better and the Agents sabotage it I am going to be so depressed...

[AB_21]

WojYahooNBA Adrian Wojnarowski
Clearly, the season isn't starting on time. Any lingering chance of that passed today.


Well, here we go...

[I_Like_Dirt]

If the Union gets a deal done at 50% or better and the Agents sabotage it I am going to be so depressed...

I hope you realize that the union could come up with an agreement where they get 55% of BRI and it would be worse than a different deal where they would come away with a deal that gets them 52% of BRI. A lot hinges on what gets counted for BRI. There are already loopholes where owners can get income directly because they own their NBA franchise and not have it count towards the BRI right now (such as taking payment in the form of 20% or less ownership stake in a company where it's a non-controlling stake and have their revenues from their new ownership stake in that company not count as BRI, either). If the new agreement changes what counts as a part of BRI, as the owners are trying to do, the players would be taking a smaller percentage of a smaller pie while the owners got a bigger percentage of that smaller pie plus another pie all to themselves. I tend to think that's what the agents are watching for in particular.

[KG1585]

Reading Woj's tweets, it sounds like we are going to be without NBA for a while.

[dagger]

Like I've said all along, this dispute was always going to cost part of the season. After two years of preparing for Armageddon, neither side could save face by caving without losing any games. That's why the critical point is whether they can salvage, say, 50-60 games, not whether they save all 82.

[Laowai]

Dagger is absolutely correct even getting 45 to 50 games will be in doubt.
This is a 3 sided war which most people fail to realize.
If it were up to the LAL and NYKs the deal would already be done but it isn't.
At least 2/3rds of the owners want drastic surgery they want the nothing less than a hard cap earnings split no less than 50 likely below, players giving back at least 10% of current contracts, all exemptions with maybe a much modified Bird eliminated. Then the owners war better revenue sharing.

[dagger]

Dagger is absolutely correct even getting 45 to 50 games will be in doubt.
This is a 3 sided war which most people fail to realize.
If it were up to the LAL and NYKs the deal would already be done but it isn't.
At least 2/3rds of the owners want drastic surgery they want the nothing less than a hard cap earnings split no less than 50 likely below, players giving back at least 10% of current contracts, all exemptions with maybe a much modified Bird eliminated. Then the owners war better revenue sharing.

I disagree that the rich franchises are any less interested in a hard or harder cap. They need a bigger profit because they will be the big contributors to revenue sharing.

[C_Money]

Quote from the realgm wiretap:

"Stern acknowledged that "the calendar is not our friend" when it comes to keeping the NBA season intact."

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Anybody find this hilarious considering they were basically on vacation for the first 3 months of the offseason? There was maybe one meeting from June to September.

[Laowai]

Dagger is absolutely correct even getting 45 to 50 games will be in doubt.
This is a 3 sided war which most people fail to realize.
If it were up to the LAL and NYKs the deal would already be done but it isn't.
At least 2/3rds of the owners want drastic surgery they want the nothing less than a hard cap earnings split no less than 50 likely below, players giving back at least 10% of current contracts, all exemptions with maybe a much modified Bird eliminated. Then the owners war better revenue sharing.

I disagree that the rich franchises are any less interested in a hard or harder cap. They need a bigger profit because they will be the big contributors to revenue sharing.

I agree if there is revenue sharing to a meaning full degree there must be a hard cap.
What I was referring to is that teams like LAL & NYKs would prefer the current system.

[Laowai]

Dagger is absolutely correct even getting 45 to 50 games will be in doubt.
This is a 3 sided war which most people fail to realize.
If it were up to the LAL and NYKs the deal would already be done but it isn't.
At least 2/3rds of the owners want drastic surgery they want the nothing less than a hard cap earnings split no less than 50 likely below, players giving back at least 10% of current contracts, all exemptions with maybe a much modified Bird eliminated. Then the owners war better revenue sharing.

I disagree that the rich franchises are any less interested in a hard or harder cap. They need a bigger profit because they will be the big contributors to revenue sharing.

I agree if there is revenue sharing to a meaning full degree there must be a hard cap.
What I was referring to is that teams like LAL & NYKs would prefer the current system.