Shumpert lighting up the Vegas League

[knicksosmoove]

Selby is talented though, which means he's at the very least a trading asset. Jorts could be total garbage.

[ManiaX]

Drafting Selby would have been better. It be a no-brainer to release Rautins for him, after next season the guy could be a great combo guard off the bench. But you know what they say, shoulda coulda didn't. Harrellson is a strong guy and if he comes in for ten minutes and gives it his all I'd say that be a job well done.

I am not saying we NEED Selby, just saying that he has been impressive this summer and he was hyped on this board around draft time. When drafting, I prefer to draft the best available player. In my opinion that was Selby. He was a low risk, HIGH reward player in the second round.

I wish Jorts the best. If he can provide toughness and rebounding than that is awesome and our front office got another steal. If Rautins ever starts hitting 3's, he can be a steal too.

[ManiaX]

Acually i have seen JOrts lately and he is not out of shape. How is having conditioning issues not saying hes out of shape?

We dont need another combo guard off the bench, where will we find the minutes for Selby to play? Whats he gunna play 10 mpg? With the rest of our guards, there is no room. He isnt a pure point, he is another combo guard. Something we dont need.

Where have you seen Jorts? I also highly doubt he is in good basketball shape.

People with conditioning issues can go in and out of shape, which is why it is an issue for them. For example Zach Randolph routinely comes into camp out of shape but plays himself into good shape during the season.

Maybe Jorts has overcome this issue, I don't know. In the past at Kentucky, it was an issue for him though.

[Falstaffxx]

Currently on the roster we have Billups, Toney, Fields, Melo, Walker, Iman, Balkman, Brown, Stoudemire, Turiaf, Rautins and Jordan. That's 12 out of 15 spots.

Pretty sure the Knicks knew what their roster was when they drafted Harrellson. If something has happened between the draft and now that would change their opinion of Harrellson's roster-worthiness, please share.

[ManiaX]

Currently on the roster we have Billups, Toney, Fields, Melo, Walker, Iman, Balkman, Brown, Stoudemire, Turiaf, Rautins and Jordan. That's 12 out of 15 spots.

Pretty sure the Knicks knew what their roster was when they drafted Harrellson. If something has happened between the draft and now that would change their opinion of Harrellson's roster-worthiness, please share.

We also traded for Jerome Jordan, that didn't stop us from stashing him away in Europe for a year because there wasn't a roster spot for him.

We also traded for Patrick Ewing Jr in the 2008 draft, he also didn't make the cut.

If you have some information where Jorts has been guaranteed a spot in the roster this year, please share.

[Knicksfan20]

Acually i have seen JOrts lately and he is not out of shape. How is having conditioning issues not saying hes out of shape?

We dont need another combo guard off the bench, where will we find the minutes for Selby to play? Whats he gunna play 10 mpg? With the rest of our guards, there is no room. He isnt a pure point, he is another combo guard. Something we dont need.

Where have you seen Jorts? I also highly doubt he is in good basketball shape.

People with conditioning issues can go in and out of shape, which is why it is an issue for them. For example Zach Randolph routinely comes into camp out of shape but plays himself into good shape during the season.

Maybe Jorts has overcome this issue, I don't know. In the past at Kentucky, it was an issue for him though.

Pictures posted here, and on twitter i believe. I follow him.

[najeem37]

He broke some dudes ankles with that crossover LOL

lol that was Rudy Gay.

[vallen]

can we stop cryin about shelby? it was 3 months ago....

its done, get over it.

[ManiaX]

Pictures posted here, and on twitter i believe. I follow him.

I follow him too. I don't think I have ever seen him tweet anything "basketball related". I have seen him talk about parties and hunting though.

This is probably why I have little confidence in him being ready for the season or even contributing.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Impressive.

Now imagine if we drafted Shumpert and Selby (instead of Jorts). This board would be going crazy.

Selby would have been the wrong pick...so yes, we would have been going crazy. Jorts and Shumpert are a perfect fit.

Jorts might not even make the team. Not sure how he is the perfect fit. Yes, we needed a big man, but I would much rather sign a veteran big man over Jorts. Not sure Jorts is even better than Shelden Williams, who is a much better defender.

He's going to make the team. He's the perfect fit because we need size, rebounding, tenacity, and someone who will hustle like hell. He's not the most talented player, but he tries harder than everyone else. So what if he's not better than Williams? They're different.

Also, not sure why you're saying he might not make the team. There's a reason why Donnie bought a pick to draft him...he saw something in him that made him believe he'd be on the team. Selby is an undersized shooting guard...we have no need for him whatsoever. Who cares if he's flashy? Flashy=/=wins.

[Deeeez Knicks]

Whenever people complain about a pick in September he usually ends up being good (in reference to Jorts)

[ManiaX]

He's going to make the team. He's the perfect fit because we need size, rebounding, tenacity, and someone who will hustle like hell. He's not the most talented player, but he tries harder than everyone else. So what if he's not better than Williams? They're different.

Also, not sure why you're saying he might not make the team. There's a reason why Donnie bought a pick to draft him...he saw something in him that made him believe he'd be on the team. Selby is an undersized shooting guard...we have no need for him whatsoever. Who cares if he's flashy? Flashy=/=wins.

How are they that different? Both are undersized Centers. Shelden Williams made a living in college by outworking guys for rebounds and playing defense. Only difference is that in college, Shelden was a lot better at it.

Once again I never said we NEEDED Selby. Who said anything about flashy too?

[Kenyon009]

Drafting Selby would have been better. It be a no-brainer to release Rautins for him, after next season the guy could be a great combo guard off the bench. But you know what they say, shoulda coulda didn't. Harrellson is a strong guy and if he comes in for ten minutes and gives it his all I'd say that be a job well done.

I am not saying we NEED Selby, just saying that he has been impressive this summer and he was hyped on this board around draft time. When drafting, I prefer to draft the best available player. In my opinion that was Selby. He was a low risk, HIGH reward player in the second round.

I wish Jorts the best. If he can provide toughness and rebounding than that is awesome and our front office got another steal. If Rautins ever starts hitting 3's, he can be a steal too.

A lot of guys are like that dude. Have you seen Marcus Banks a couple years ago in summer league you'd fap your balls off. If anything for all we know Shumpert might have a confident issue and suck during the regular season.

[Falstaffxx]

How are they that different? Both are undersized Centers. Shelden Williams made a living in college by outworking guys for rebounds and playing defense. Only difference is that in college, Shelden was a lot better at it.

Once again I never said we NEEDED Selby. Who said anything about flashy too?

What's the relevance of this? Harrellson will be on an extremely cheap 2nd-round rookie contract, and has yet to be evaluated at an NBA level. He's obviously going to make the team, may or may not contribute, and may or may not be better than Sheldon Williams.

[NBA Fan 1234]

He's going to make the team. He's the perfect fit because we need size, rebounding, tenacity, and someone who will hustle like hell. He's not the most talented player, but he tries harder than everyone else. So what if he's not better than Williams? They're different.

Also, not sure why you're saying he might not make the team. There's a reason why Donnie bought a pick to draft him...he saw something in him that made him believe he'd be on the team. Selby is an undersized shooting guard...we have no need for him whatsoever. Who cares if he's flashy? Flashy=/=wins.

How are they that different? Both are undersized Centers. Shelden Williams made a living in college by outworking guys for rebounds and playing defense. Only difference is that in college, Shelden was a lot better at it.

Once again I never said we NEEDED Selby. Who said anything about flashy too?

I like Sheldon and would like to resign him (if we can't get Kwame). Jorts is a hustle guy...Sheldon was not that kind of player. Jorts is similar to Lee before he stopped playing defense - hard screens + play 110%.

My point was that we don't need Selby so there's no reason to say "imagine if we had him" or stuff like that.

[ManiaX]

I like Sheldon and would like to resign him (if we can't get Kwame). Jorts is a hustle guy...Sheldon was not that kind of player. Jorts is similar to Lee before he stopped playing defense - hard screens + play 110%.

My point was that we don't need Selby so there's no reason to say "imagine if we had him" or stuff like that.

Comparing Lee to Jorts is like comparing Jared Jeffries to LeBron James. David Lee has always been very skilled and athletic to go along with his hustling. He was a McDonald's All American, who's game was better suited for the NBA than College.

My point is that I would rather re-sign Shelden Williams or sign Kwame than use that spot on Jorts.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I like Sheldon and would like to resign him (if we can't get Kwame). Jorts is a hustle guy...Sheldon was not that kind of player. Jorts is similar to Lee before he stopped playing defense - hard screens + play 110%.

My point was that we don't need Selby so there's no reason to say "imagine if we had him" or stuff like that.

Comparing Lee to Jorts is like comparing Jared Jeffries to LeBron James. David Lee has always been very skilled and athletic to go along with his hustling. He was a McDonald's All American, who's game was better suited for the NBA than College.

My point is that I would rather re-sign Shelden Williams or sign Kwame than use that spot on Jorts.

They have similar playing types...that's what I meant - when Lee first got into the league, he was purely a hustle player who set hard screens and tried harder than everyone else on the court. That's the type of player Jorts will be probably...if not him, then Nick Collison - another hustle player who does the little things.

If we have roster spots open, there's no reason why we can't have Kwame AND Jorts. We have 12 players (including Iman but also Carter and Shawne) on the roster...Kwame would make 13 and Jorts 14.

[NYman15]

I'm a Selby fan and wanted the Knicks to draft him. However, I understand why they didn't. They have a ton of guards already and I liked the Iman pick and I liked the Jorts pick as well. So, I'm ok they didn't draft him, but I still think he has a lot of potential.

[ManiaX]

A lot of guys are like that dude. Have you seen Marcus Banks a couple years ago in summer league you'd fap your balls off. If anything for all we know Shumpert might have a confident issue and suck during the regular season.

Yes, I did see Marcus Banks a couple of years ago in Summer League and I wasn't that impressed. I have also see Jerryd Bayless as well. Bayless still has potential in the right system, but I think his issues seem to be more mental. They were both 1st round picks that did not work out.

Drafting Selby in the 2nd round is different. Like I said before low risk, high reward.

[xxrainnn]

ManiaX I think you are understating the value of a scrappy big man. First of all, as everybody knows, our frontcourt defense is total trash. Remember the impact that Turiaf had when he was healthy enough to be in the game. He made a tremendous difference. Turiaf frankly isn't even that good. Jorts is essentially another Turiaf. These guys don't need the ball to be effective. His job out there is to basically rebound, defend, and give energy. He will not give people EZPasses into the lane. The guy also seems like he has a competent jumpshot and will rebound better than Ronnie.

You can make the argument that there are plenty of big men we can sign or trade for. My question is: who? It's a known fact that you must pay the premium for a big man (EC, Kwame, Dalembert, any other scrub, etc.) Any big man we bring in is going to be overpaid - period. It makes perfect sense to draft a cheap 2nd rounder who can do exactly what any other overpaid scrub will do. The Knicks strategy in regards to big men appears to be scrubs by committee, while hoping one or two will stand out. I think it's a pretty damn good idea until maybe we can make a splash at Dwight or something, a big man actually worth paying millions for. Another plus is that we have no more need for effries (well logic says so, but with MDA who knows).

Selby is talented, there is no doubt about it. Drafting him, however, would be pointless on this Knick roster. The kid is clearly a good scorer, but he will definitely need the ball in order to do so. His value on this team would plummet for sure. A healthy TD would give us basically the same thing Selby would. He has already proven that he is capable of scoring in this league.

The Knicks clearly went into the draft with the idea of bolstering their defense, an area in which Selby provides absolutely nothing. I honestly have no regrets in not drafting him (as of now anyways )