if we keep Smoove and Big Al

[Ruhiel]

I said a package that would include Horford, not Horford straight up. not sure what it would take to pry Howard or if it is even doable.

Horford for Dwight is not doable... OKC has the best package unless we trade JJ for Arenas take on Turkoglu for Marvin...basically lose all our 6'8 wings.

I am only saying that you don't move Horford unless you are getting something like this.

You're saying our only problem is center, not that our players are miscast role players.

and Thabeet, Hill, Dontas would not be perceived as moves to win it all by other NBA players. getting Dwight or Gasol would be.

Perception? What? Prestige is the goal?
How about we focus on the actual strengths and weaknesses of those other NBA players. In this league Gasol is not a center, he's a twin tower PF. But what is the Lakers incentive for Horford and Williams?

"Superstars get the calls"? Josh Smith used to get fouled on 18% of his shots. Jordan Hill 2011 was 10.4% on 18% us.

If you have players who get calls then you exploit that. 7'2.5" Thabeet? 22.5
Horford 8% with him "expanding" in 2011 and 14% drawn fouls on 18% usage rate 2009-2010.

You get ref calls depending on your skillset.
And 04 Lakers lost to the 04 Pistons on depth and matching up their SF on a HoF SG. Rip Hamilton simply was put on Devean George, meanwhile Kobe could only defend Rip Hamilton, Thats a weakness.

PF Corliss Williamson was put at SF, no range but didn't matter. They could defend and foul the Lakers and control tempo.

Mavericks controlled the tempo with depth. Kidd and Barea. Chandler and Haywood. 1 superstar who flopped in elimination but his spacing allowed others to dominate.

We don't even put guys in position for penalty plays/fouls. Smith for 3 anyone?

[myrak433]

bottom line is horford value is worth more than this trade you put together. so it would never happen.

[Ruhiel]

bottom line is horford value is worth more than this trade you put together. so it would never happen.

not to us he isn't. And not even to Houston. Defensively Horf is a PF. Offensively he's best at leading the break. Too bad thats what Kyle Lowry does. Sure they play uptempo but Is Houston supposed to contend in the West with that?

They become us a 50 win team that needs to find a way to acquire centers to compete. Yet only have aging wing players to trade.

Did you ever stop to think who Houston would have on their team?

Horford + 6'8 Patterson + Luis Scola + Chandler Parsons?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVD06aFiU7s[/youtube]
I swapped our problems to them. But no one ever considered that. Horford for Dwight

[myrak433]

Ruhiel you are so smart. How much does any NBA team pay you to evaluate talent and/or scout for them? if evaluating players was as easy as you are trying to make it. which is all you have to do is look up some of the players stats and their measurements online all of us on Realgm would be making some serious money. I would be on the Hawks payroll now. and you would be a billionaire, because every NBA team would want you to work for them (NFL,MLB, NHL, every college team would hire you to scout for them, and NASCAR would pay you to find drivers for them)

now you say that Houston would be left with Scola, and Horford. and that is a bad combination? wait Thatbeet was on the roster last year for Houston right? and Scola was still the starting Center. that should tell you something. and I know that Thabeet came to the team late, but if Dwight was traded for late do you think that Scola would have started over him?

Donatas, Hill, and Thabeet for Horford

[Ruhiel]

Ruhiel you are so smart.all you have to do is look up Horford's measurements online

now you say that Houston would be left with Scola, and Horford. and that is a bad combination?

Josh Smith (inside) + Donatas (outside) + Hill + Pachulia + Thabeet
vs Josh Smith + Horford +Kwame Brown +Pachulia LOL

RE: now you say that Houston would be left with Scola, and Horford. and that is a bad combination?

Budinger + Parsons + Scola + Horford

Being a 1-way team that gets late lottery picks every year is your goal then no its not.

Luis Scola was never the starting center. He's a 31 year old forward. McHale's going to stick him on Bynum? Horford wouldn't even be able to stay on the floor if they make playoffs.

And then what do they have to get a center with? Trade Horford for a center? then go looking for a PF because Scola is 32 yo?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVD06aFiU7s[/youtube]

How many times have we said Hill was the PF defending centers in this very thread.
How do the Rockets matchup with the West with undersized, underskilled backups with money committed to old, win-now prospects. Do they try to get picks from lotto teams? Then that team loses its pick for rebuilding (hope for a star) for win-now Horford. Just like the Hawks tried to pull last draft with Josh Smith.

Look around the league. How many teams will give us/Houston a stretch PF shooter and a C (let alone a backup PF) for Horford? Or a C for Smith (let alone a SF to upgrade Marvin)?

They're role players w/o complements. Houston would want Smith@SF before PF Horford before they cash all their assets for Al Horford + Scola.

Like I said, Hawks problems just became Houston's. But no! Let us all the way to a 2nd round exit. AT BEST.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_3GGnmPHAk[/youtube]

Maybe they try to flip their SFs for a center?

[myrak433]

[ Josh Smith + Donatas + Hill + Thabeet for Smith + Horford +Kwame Brown +Pachulia


I would rather have Horford than Donatas and Hill. Thabeet and Kwame are about equal to me. well actually I like Kwame a little more. only because he is more athletic than Thabeet.

Scola wasn't the starting center. He's a 31 year old PF. Horford wouldn't even be able to stay on the floor if they make playoffs.

Scola was the center. and what is it with you about players that are older than 27? you make it seem like was a player turns 30 they need to retire. they can play till about 35. up to 33 at a high level. what would you do every time your players turn 30 trade them regardless of how they are playing?

And then what do they have to get a center with? Trade Horford for a center? then go looking for a PF because Scola is 32 yo?

the would have their center already. they have Scola and Horford as well as a 24 year old 6'11" 2501bs with a wingspan of 7'2" in Marcus Cousin

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgwKGPGmQh0[/youtube]

look I just became a certified scout worthy of being hired by the Ruhiel scout team.

[Ruhiel]

RE: the would have their center already. they have Scola and Horford as well as a 24 year old 6'11" 2501bs with a wingspan of 7'2" in Marcus Cousin

Wingspan of 7'2? Center?

Amare Stoudemire 7'2 250 PF
Dejaun Blair 7'2 277 PF
Jordan Hill ~7'1.5"
Paul Millsap ~7'1.5"
Enes Kanter ~7'1.5"


What good NBA center has a 7'2 wingspan? They signed a bigger slower older Jordan Hill. Care to read Marcus Cousins' scouting report? Jump shooting offense, no defense. Full steam ahead!

And your :LOL:'s doesn't mean you're points are anymore valid. IE Kwame Brown more athletic than Hasheem Thabeet.
Or "Scola was the center". Or "overpay" Troy Murphy to play center/move Horford out the lineup. Come off it mate.

[azuresou1]

Kwame Brown is better than Thabeet.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QNrrEBY2IcM[/youtube]

[Ruhiel]

Seeing as how [Macecase] calls 12% rebound, no defense Amare a superstar...

Still waiting on that list of Al's weaknesses, likely going to be a long long time

[myrak433]

RE: the would have their center already. they have Scola and Horford as well as a 24 year old 6'11" 2501bs with a wingspan of 7'2" in Marcus Cousin

Wingspan of 7'2? Center?

Amare Stoudemire 7'2 250 PF
Dejaun Blair 7'2 277 PF
Jordan Hill ~7'1.5"
Paul Millsap ~7'1.5"
Enes Kanter ~7'1.5"


What good NBA center has a 7'2 wingspan? They signed a bigger slower older Jordan Hill. Care to read Marcus Cousins' scouting report? Jump shooting offense, no defense. Full steam ahead!

Andrew Bogut 7'3
Tyson Chanler 7'3
Chris Kaman 6'11
Luis Scola 7'2
Mehmet Okur 7'3
Ben Wallace 7'2

so I guess you are going to tell me first Kaman is not a good center when he is healthy and second 7'3 has a huge advantage over 7'2. if so why are these players not any good


Hilton Armstrong 7'4
DeSagana Diop 7'7
Solomon Jones 7'4

you can't base everything on measurements and/or scouting report. check this out here are two players pre-draft report

Play A
Positives: The most gifted player in the draft, Player A is a great athlete with exceptional basketball skills. He can handle the ball like a guard and has a good-looking stroke from 15 to 17 feet. Player A also has good floor vision and passes extremely well. He is currently at his best when he faces up and takes people off the dribble using an excellent crossover dribble. Defensively, Player A is a devastating shotblocker with superb leaping ability, timing and reach. Because of his combination of size, strength and skill, Player A is often compared to Chris Webber and Kevin Garnett. At this point, Player A has a much more NBA-ready physique than Garnett had coming out of high school.
Negatives: Unfortunately, Player A does not enjoy posting up offensively and takes far too many three-pointers. Despite Garnett-level skills, Player A has yet to demonstrate the burning competitiveness that Garnett exhibited at the same stage of development.
Prognosis: Perhaps the best way to describe Player A is to say that he has the frame and physical skills of an Antonio McDyess and the basketball skills of a young Danny Manning. He could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game. Peak Projection: 22 ppg 10 rpg 4 apg 2.5 bp

Player B

Player B had another solid showing today, particularly on the defensive end. With his athleticism and amazing standing reach, Player B seems to have improved defensively since the start of the summer league. He blocked 5 shots today, and has started reacting more quickly with his help-side rotations. The big still appears to be quite raw on the offensive end of the floor, but has good enough hands to be a target for an easy dish from a penetrating guard. He has been working to develop a hook shot as well, but it will be a while before this shot translates to the NBA. Player B may never develop into the star that many people pegged him as, but the rookie looks to have a very promising career as a rotation big at the least.
STRENGTHS:Ability to get to free throw line
- Excellent hands
- Nimble footwork
- Defensive potential
- Pick and roll defense
- Huge upside
- Work ethic
- Ability to finish around basket
- Freakish athleticism
- Incredibly quick
- Physical specimen
- Size for position
- Wingspan
- Excellent rebounderExtremely limited w/back to the basket
-
WEAKNESSES
Footwork/Post-moves
- Defensive awareness
- Gets backed down in post
- Shot-blocking skills
- Doesn't always play hard
- Fundamentals
- High bust potential?
- Maturity
- Mental/Physical toughness?
- Not ready to contribute immediately
- Not productive enough
- Poor passer
- Ability to finish through contact
- Strength
- Free throw shooting

NOW WHICH PLAYER WOULD YOU LIKE BETTER RUHIEL

Player A is Kwame Brown and Player B is DeAndre Jordan

And your :LOL:'s doesn't mean you're points are anymore valid. IE Kwame Brown more athletic than Hasheem Thabeet.
Or "Scola was the center". Or "overpay" Troy Murphy to play center/move Horford out the lineup. Come off it mate.

And I really don't know why you keep saying Murphy would move Horford out of the lineup. that is simply not true. Murphy and Horford would both start. the starting lineup would be Teague, JJ, Smith and Horford and Murphy both playing PF/C. Kwame would come in and take Jason Collins place playing against bigger centers, i.e. Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum and guys like that. not to many teams have centers like that.

[Ruhiel]

What good NBA center has a 7'2 wingspan? They signed a bigger slower older Jordan Hill. Care to read Marcus Cousins' scouting report? Jump shooting offense, no defense. Full steam ahead!

Reading Comprehension
Andrew Bogut 7'3 > 7'2
Tyson Chandler 7'3 > 7'2
Mehmet Okur 7'3

Chris Kaman
Height: 7'0.5"
Weight: 250
Length: 6'11.75" (lmao where'd you get 6'11, so he would have been a bulked up Motiejunas?)

Gator arms, 7'0.5" and good coordination? comparable to:

Donatas Motiejunas
Height: 7'0.5"
Weight: 235
Length: 6'11"

Luis Scola 7'2 (yeah right; no source)

* Ben Wallace (no source)
Yet this I could believe. Too bad he moves like he's 6'7.

and second 7'3 [normally] has a huge [balance] advantage over 7'2. if so why are these players not any good

Hilton Armstrong 6'10; 7'4
DeSagana Diop 7'0; 7'7
Solomon Jones 6'10; 7'4 [/quote]

you can't base everything on measurements and/or scouting report.

Or video. And yet you have no ability to combine all three.

And I really don't know why you keep saying Murphy would move Horford out of the lineup. that is simply not true. Murphy and Horford would both start. the starting lineup would be Teague, JJ, Smith and Horford and Murphy both playing PF/C. Kwame would come in and take Jason Collins place playing against bigger centers, i.e. Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum and guys like that. not to many teams have centers like that.

Yeah only the elite teams. Tyson Chandler + Dirk? Gasol + Bynum? Bosh + Dalembert?

Kwame Brown for goes in to protect Horford from "bigger centers" then who's giving us spacing So we can attack the rim?
Josh Smith?

Player A
Kwame Brown is often compared to Chris Webber and Kevin Garnett. At this point, Player A has a much more NBA-ready physique than Garnett had coming out of high school.

Negatives: Unfortunately, Player A does not enjoy posting up offensively and takes far too many [jumpshots]

Player B
Player B had another solid showing today, particularly on the defensive end. With his athleticism and amazing standing reach,

STRENGTHS:
-Ability to get to free throw line
- Defensive potential
- Pick and roll defense
- Ability to finish around basket
- Freakish athleticism
- Incredibly quick
- Physical specimen
- Size for position
- Wingspan
WEAKNESSES
Footwork/Post-moves
- Defensive awareness
- Gets backed down in post
- Shot-blocking skills
- Doesn't always play hard
- Fundamentals
- High bust potential?
- Maturity
- Mental/Physical toughness?
- Not ready to contribute immediately
- Not productive enough
- Poor passer
- Ability to finish through contact
- Strength
- Free throw shooting

Player A (limited offensively)
Kwame Brown: 7'1 (small hands)
Joakim Noah: 7'1
Josh McRoberts: 7'1 (6'10)
Al Horford: 7'0.75
Chris Webber: 7'3.5" (6'10)

NOW WHICH PLAYER WOULD YOU LIKE BETTER RUHIEL

This has got to be some sort of cosmic Joke. Hasheem Thabeet/Deandre Jordan > Kwame Brown

And if quick footed Ben Wallace is 6'7 with 7'2 that bodes well for Dejuan Blair if he ever commits to fitness. Does not bode well for a slowfooted near 7'0 guy in Marcus Cousins or his defense.

And I think we'd all be happy to have a 235 lb version of Chris Kaman as the PF. Could have had Motiejunas but we got Hinrich...

Next year overpay for Kwame Brown OR Troy Murphy. Great windows of opportunity.

[myrak433]

What good NBA center has a 7'2 wingspan? They signed a bigger slower older Jordan Hill. Care to read Marcus Cousins' scouting report? Jump shooting offense, no defense. Full steam ahead!
[/quote]

Reading Comprehension
Andrew Bogut 7'3 > 7'2
Tyson Chandler 7'3 > 7'2
Mehmet Okur 7'3

Chris Kaman
Height: 7'0.5"
Weight: 250

Length: 6'11.75" (lmao where'd you get 6'11, so he would have been a bulked up Motiejunas?)

you do know the difference from standing reach and wingspan? Right? because it is possible for someone to be taller than their wingspan, but noone can be taller than their standing reach.

Gator arms, 7'0.5" and good coordination? comparable to:

Donatas Motiejunas
Height: 7'0.5"
Weight: 235
Length: 6'11"

Luis Scola 7'2 (yeah right; no source)

you show me the source that disproves this and I will show a source that proves it. good luck

*

Ben Wallace (no source)
Yet this I could believe. Too bad he moves like he's 6'7.

it doesn't matter how tall he was, he was actually 6'7. he still got the job done at the center position.

and second 7'3 [normally] has qa huge [balance] advantage over 7'2. if so why are these players not any good

really? source?

Hilton Armstrong 6'10; 7'4
DeSagana Diop 7'0; 7'7
Solomon Jones 6'10; 7'4 [/quote]


you can't base everything on measurements and/or scouting report.
Or video.

And yet you have no ability to combine all three.

I am not really trying I only use those tacktics to mock you, it is called sarcasm.

And I really don't know why you keep saying Murphy would move Horford out of the lineup. that is simply not true. Murphy and Horford would both start. the starting lineup would be Teague, JJ, Smith and Horford and Murphy both playing PF/C. Kwame would come in and take Jason Collins place playing against bigger centers, i.e. Dwight Howard, Andrew Bynum and guys like that. not to many teams have centers like that.

Yeah only the elite teams. Tyson Chandler + Dirk? Gasol + Bynum? Bosh + Dalembert?

Bosh is not a center. Tyson Chandler and Dalembert are not offensive threats. so Horford and\or Murphy would have no problem with them. Bynum yes Kwame Brown would be the best to defend him as with Gasol.

Kwame Brown for goes in to protect Horford from "bigger centers" then who's giving us spacing So we can attack the rim?
Josh Smith?

you would still have JJ Murphy or Horford on the floor. Horford my not have a three ball as of yet but he is dead eye from 18 foot in. besides Kwame would only play 25 30 minutes in those situations not 48.

Player A
Kwame Brown is often compared to Chris Webber and Kevin Garnett. At this point, Player A has a much more NBA-ready physique than Garnett had coming out of high school.

Negatives: Unfortunately, Player A does not enjoy posting up offensively and takes far too many [jumpshots]

Player B
Player B had another solid showing today, particularly on the defensive end. With his athleticism and amazing standing reach,

I like how you pick and choose parts to try to make a point how about this

Player A: Prognosis: Perhaps the best way to describe Player A is to say that he has the frame and physical skills of an Antonio McDyess and the basketball skills of a young Danny Manning. He could develop into a potential franchise player if he works hard on his game. Peak Projection: 22 ppg 10 rpg 4 apg 2.5 bp

Player B: He has been working to develop a hook shot as well, but it will be a while before this shot translates to the NBA. Player B may never develop into the star that many people pegged him as, but the rookie looks to have a very promising career as a rotation big at the least.

now based on these to prognosis which player sounds like he will have the best career?

STRENGTHS:
-Ability to get to free throw line
- Defensive potential
- Pick and roll defense
- Ability to finish around basket
- Freakish athleticism
- Incredibly quick
- Physical specimen
- Size for position
- Wingspan
WEAKNESSES
Footwork/Post-moves
- Defensive awareness
- Gets backed down in post
- Shot-blocking skills
- Doesn't always play hard
- Fundamentals
- High bust potential?
- Maturity
- Mental/Physical toughness?
- Not ready to contribute immediately
- Not productive enough
- Poor passer
- Ability to finish through contact
- Strength
- Free throw shooting

Player A (limited offensively)
Kwame Brown: 7'1 (small hands)
Joakim Noah: 7'1
Josh McRoberts: 7'1 (6'10)
Al Horford: 7'0.75
Chris Webber: 7'3.5" (6'10)

NOW WHICH PLAYER WOULD YOU LIKE BETTER RUHIEL

This has got to be some sort of cosmic Joke. Hasheem Thabeet/Deandre Jordan > Kwame Brown

yes I would rather have DeAndre Jordan over Kwame, but Thabeet is not better than Kwame. lets just base it on there NBA careers. Thabeet has never started for any Team. Kwame has end of story. Now I don't feel Kwame should be starting but he would be a darn good back-up situational center.

And if quick footed Ben Wallace is 6'7 with 7'2 that bodes well for Dejuan Blair if he ever commits to fitness. Does not bode well for a slowfooted near 7'0 guy in Marcus Cousins or his defense.

And I think we'd all be happy to have a 235 lb version of Chris Kaman as the PF. Could have had Motiejunas but we got Hinrich...

Next year overpay for Kwame Brown OR Troy Murphy. Great windows of opportunity.

why would we overpay Kwame or Murphy. Kwame wouldn't get any more than the league min for vets and Murphy would get MLE. and that is not overpaying.

[Ruhiel]

What good NBA center has a 7'2 wingspan? They signed a bigger slower older Jordan Hill. Care to read Marcus Cousins' scouting report? Jump shooting offense, no defense. Full steam ahead!

you do know the difference from standing reach and wingspan? Right? because it is possible for someone to be taller than their wingspan, but noone can be taller than their standing reach.

OK... This is relevant how?

Luis Scola 7'2 (yeah right; no source)

you show me the source that disproves this and I will show a source that proves it. good luck

The emoticons and your argument make me think you're a clown. If he really had Amare's length this disproves what? Scola has little to no defensive impact.

Thabeet has never started for any Team. Kwame has end of story.

SMH. Seriously?

*

Ben Wallace (no source) Yet this I could believe. Too bad he moves like he's 6'7.

it doesn't matter how tall he was, he was actually 6'7. he still got the job done at the center position.

Yes it does matter because 6'11 248 lb Marcus Cousin has no chance to be Ben Wallace. His scouting report reads like a slower Jordan Hill.

And yet you have no ability to combine all three.

I am not really trying I only use those tacktics to mock you, it is called sarcasm.

Well over here we call it Ignorance.

Yeah only the elite teams. Tyson Chandler + Dirk? Gasol + Bynum? Bosh + Dalembert?

Bosh is not a center. Tyson Chandler and Dalembert are not offensive threats.

OH my goodness... Tyson Chandler and Dalembert's job is to get your scorers easy shots. OFFensive Rebounds.

Tyson Chandlr just had the highest offensive rating in NBA history while helping anchor the defense by altering shots and rebounding. That fuels the offense

besides Kwame would only play 25 30 minutes in those situations not 48.

SMH and how many minutes would the other centers play COMBINED.

Kwame Brown goes in to protect Horford from "bigger centers" then who's giving us spacing So we can attack the rim?
Josh Smith?

you would still have JJ Murphy or Horford on the floor.

Kwame Brown
Troy murphy
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Jeff Teague

Horford my not have a three ball as of yet but he is dead eye from 18 foot in.

Last time I checked 18 foot in was worth 2 or 0 points. And Horf was dead eye for 17ppg early last season and Smith shot higher % than JJ in the regular season.

18 footers? Were was his dead eye PF shooting last couple years? 11ppg for 40mpg in 41 games? Playoff teams will gladly trade staionary Pick and Pop 18 footers wit shot clock running down for lyups 3s and jump shots off the dribble.\
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66vYtYMTeYM[/youtube]

Last time I checked gettiing FTA helps you control th other team's rotations.in penalty.



Kwame Brown is quite comfortable with the Charlotte Bobcats organization. And they are comfortablewith him. Funny He's not leaving for the vet-minimum.

[myrak433]

Ruhiel I see you will never stop posting to get the last word. so I will end it. but before I do I must respond to your name calling. me ,a clown? Really? Ignorant? Ok. you want to trade Horford for Thabeet and you are calling me Ignorant. You are the one thinking you know more than the "real" GM's (pun intended) of the NBA by looking up player measurements and reading scouting reports, but you say I look like a clown. You don't even realize it but you are proofing my point when you post your response.

Have fun looking up more stats to make your empty point of view.

oh and

Kwame Brown goes in to protect Horford from "bigger centers" then who's giving us spacing So we can attack the rim?
Josh Smith?
you would still have JJ Murphy or Horford on the floor.
Kwame Brown
Troy murphy
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Jeff Teague

why did you make this Line up Coach Ruhiel? Hey when Rick Sund gets players he doesn't tell Drew the line up and who to start. I am only getting pieces and it would be up to Drew how to play everyone. but I was thing more like Teague, JJ, Marvin, Murphy, Brown or Kirk, JJ, Smith, Horford, Brown these line ups when Kwame would be on the floor. or any number of combinations. we could even run a line up you may even like with JJ,Marvin, Horford, Murphy, Brown. just kidding.

Kwame Brown is quite comfortable with the Charlotte Bobcats organization. And they are comfortablewith him. Funny He's not leaving for the vet-minimum.

and how do you know this?

but I could say Atlanta is quite happy with Horford they are not trading him for Thabeet, Donatas, and Hill. but that would be more accurate.

[Ruhiel]

Ruhiel I see you will never stop posting to get the last word. so I will end it. but before I do I must respond to your name calling. me ,a clown? Really? Ignorant? Ok.

I wasn't calling you names, you said you were being sarcastic but ignoring points = ignorant and sounds like clowning and your other points are trying to mirror my roster

You are the one thinking you know more than the "real" GM's (pun intended) of the NBA by looking up player measurements and reading scouting reports, but you say I look like a clown.

Really? As in what? Motiejunas is more fluid than Horford? This is ridiculous.

[quote= "Ruhiel"] Kwame Brown goes in to protect Horford from "bigger centers" then who's giving us spacing So we can attack the rim?
Josh Smith?

you would still have JJ Murphy OR Horford on the floor.
Kwame Brown
Troy murphy
Joe Johnson
Josh Smith
Jeff Teague[/quote]

Its ignorant to say Horford @ PF provides spacing. And also that is the first time you used or and I decided to highlight it.

Horford + Kwame Brown doesn't provide spacing. Al was supposed to provide "beast" low post scoring and free throws.

why did you make this Line up Coach Ruhiel?

smh

Hey when Rick Sund gets players he doesn't tell Drew the line up and who to start. I am only getting pieces and it would be up to Drew how to play everyone. but I was thing more like Teague, JJ, Marvin, Murphy, Brown or Kirk, JJ, Smith, Horford, Brown these line ups when Kwame would be on the floor.

That's not what you said. Those aren't the starting lineups you originally provided and in the 2nd one Josh Smith is providing the spacing.

You're proposal is to put us behind the 8-ball by starting Troy Murphy and then push Zaza Pachulia out of the lineup for a 30 year old injury prone Kwame Brown. Stop.

or any number of combinations. we could even run a line up you may even like with JJ,Marvin, Horford, Murphy, Brown. just kidding.

just clowning? I can tell. Wish Horford was a small forward, that would actually make Smith expendable. But this is the 2nd time you suggested Horford as a Small Forward and tried to flip it as my views.
That's annoying.

Kwame Brown is quite comfortable with the Charlotte Bobcats organization. And they are comfortable with him. Funny He's not leaving for the vet-minimum.

and how do you know this?

but I could say Atlanta is quite happy with Horford they are not trading him for Thabeet, Donatas, and Hill. but that would be more accurate.

but I could say Atlanta's fan base is quite happy with:
* being 2nd round punching bags
* giving role players big contracts and then trying to prove they are superstars
* acting like our offense isn't one of the slowest in the league and uses Josh Smith for spacing
* acting like Al Horford's potential is elite volume scorer (188 free throws last year)