Minnesota/Dallas trade

[lilroddyb]

Dallas out: Rodrigue Beaubois, Deshawn Stevenson( Deshawn just to match salarys)
Minnesota out: Michael Beasley

why for Dallas: Dallas has to many undersized shootguards (Rodrigue Beaubois, Jason Terry and Barea ). And when Dirk is resting other teams kinda always go on a run or cut the lead a lot ( main reason they dont have any powerforwards other than Brian Cardinal) So Beasley could be the focal point when Dirk is resting and play power forward and when Dirk is playing he can play SF.

why for Minnesota: They have plenty of forwards and they need some better guards. I also think Roddy B could work well with rubio. He shoots well from the arc and is really efficient. He is really athletic and probably one of the fastest in the nba( max vert 39 ). Jason Kidd worked really well with him ( had lots of alley oops). He can easily create for him self. Wolves get rid of big salary.

cons : he is undersized shooting guard, and his last year was was dissapointing compared to his rookie year were he had 18,5 in Per. Last season he was injured for a big part of the season and that is probaply why he played worse ( and he had to take surgery agan this summer). But when fully healthy again I think he can be fantastic
anyway this trade is mainly about Beasley and Roddy B. but i had to put something with roddy to match salaries, so that could be fixed some how else.
Here is clip of him in his rookie year against Chicago Bulls

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=13m7SJiBW0A&feature=related[/youtube]

I am fan of both players and teams so what do you guys think

[Klomp]

I'd be shocked if less than 90% said no

[lilroddyb]

I'd be shocked if less than 90% said no

yea, I might be blind of homerism

[moss_is_1]

I like Roddy, but to me....he's just not going to ever be able to fit with Rubio because of his size..it'd be a Flynn situation again IMO. Even though Roddy is 100x better then Flynn.

[cpfsf]

I'd be shocked if less than 90% said no

yea, I might be blind of homerism

If it makes you feel any better, I'm tinkering with some Dwight Howard trade possibilities.

[jade_hippo]

is Stevens really THAT good of a defender when he isn't on the court with Kidd/Marion/Brewer/Chandler?

honstly think I prefer Ridnour more as scorer off the bench compared to Roddy, he's bigger, he turns the ball over less, I trust him to run the PG more, and he's going to play more games/minutes and does it with better shooting %. Roddy has such a small sample size over 2 years and the only thing we know for sure he's better at than Luke, is jumping. I'm not going to give up anything the least bit valuable for this.

[B Calrissian]

I like it.

[lilroddyb]

I like Roddy, but to me....he's just not going to ever be able to fit with Rubio because of his size..it'd be a Flynn situation again IMO. Even though Roddy is 100x better then Flynn.

I thought maybe that Rubio would be big enough to guard shootguards( he is bigger than luke Ridnour) and Roddy would be able to guard the fast pointguards. Rubio might be able to guard some shootguards like kevin martin, now im only looking at weight, but he would have no chance against bigger shootguards like Kobe Bryant. Does anyone know were to find statistics about averege weight for shootguards and height.

I think Roddy could become pointguard with time (wishful thinking i guess). He could also be great sixth man like Terry

[Grits n Gravy]

as much as i LOVE beas, i'm taking that deal 1,000 times out of 1,000

[lilroddyb]

is Stevens really THAT good of a defender when he isn't on the court with Kidd/Marion/Brewer/Chandler?

honstly think I prefer Ridnour more as scorer off the bench compared to Roddy, he's bigger, he turns the ball over less, I trust him to run the PG more, and he's going to play more games/minutes and does it with better shooting %. Roddy has such a small sample size over 2 years and the only thing we know for sure he's better at than Luke, is jumping. I'm not going to give up anything the least bit valuable for this.

Ok fair points. but roddy is bigger than Luke. he weighs 182 lbs, wingspan 6' 9.75", Standing reach 8' 4"and is much faster. Luke is 175 lbs, standing reach 7' 11.5". Roddy can take over game, i doubt luke can do that.

I know his sample size is small but when he was given big minutes he usually delivered. like in last years playoffs when Dallas was loosing big the sixth game he came and cut the lead almost and then he was send to the bench and Spurs gained the lead again (he only played one game those playoffs but almost safed Dallas mavericks)
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQ5TUKA8Guw&feature=related[/youtube]

[lilroddyb]

I like it.

as much as i LOVE beas, i'm taking that deal 1,000 times out of 1,000

good to see there are some think this is good deal

And Stevenson deal is finished i think or maybe he has year left, And when he is gone you just have to pay roddy 1,23 milllion dollars and have kinda large salary cap to buy other players

[Ice32]

I like both Minnie and Dallas, but this trade wouldn't work for either team

Roddy has had 2 lots of surgery on his foot and has not proven much in 2 years. DS is a free agent and may not re sign with Dallas.

Beasley would not fit in with Dallas if they already have Marion, Butler and Brewer.

What about Brad Miller though? He would fit in Dallas well, and would Minnie miss him? Roddy + Jones for Miller may be a better scenario?

[lilroddyb]

I like both Minnie and Dallas, but this trade wouldn't work for either team

Roddy has had 2 lots of surgery on his foot and has not proven much in 2 years. DS is a free agent and may not re sign with Dallas.

Beasley would not fit in with Dallas if they already have Marion, Butler and Brewer.

What about Brad Miller though? He would fit in Dallas well, and would Minnie miss him? Roddy + Jones for Miller may be a better scenario?

Maybe wolves don't have to trade Beasley for Roddy and can get him for less, but I am pretty sure Dallas would want more than Brad Miller.

[jade_hippo]

Ok fair points. but roddy is bigger than Luke. he weighs 182 lbs, wingspan 6' 9.75", Standing reach 8' 4"and is much faster. Luke is 175 lbs, standing reach 7' 11.5". Roddy can take over game, i doubt luke can do that.

I know his sample size is small but when he was given big minutes he usually delivered. like in last years playoffs when Dallas was loosing big the sixth game he came and cut the lead almost and then he was send to the bench and Spurs gained the lead again (he only played one game those playoffs but almost safed Dallas mavericks)

Luke was 175lbs nearly 10 years ago when he played at Oregon, and standing reach means next to nothing to me for a PG, I don't expect either of them to do much as far as altering shots or blocking them for that matter.
Ben Gordan can take over games in the same way and has done it way more often than RoddyB and would probably fit better next to him on the court for example, I'd even argue Beasley himself has has just as much if not more ability to take over a game. Don't get me wrong, I do like Roddy, but not at the cost of Beasley and the honor of taking on Stevenson (isn't he a FA??)

[Narf]

Beasley put up his numbers as the #1 option on a terrible team with a terrible starting PG. Beaubois is at best the #3 scorer next to Dirk with a good PG dishing him open looks. Beasley is simply more talented and has a higher ceiling. Since we are rebuilding, we're looking for high ceiling players to build with not to "win now" by fitting in the pieces.

Don't get me wrong, Beasley for a better SG and I'm all for it. Roddy just isn't quite there.

edit: seriously, I misspelled his name twice

[shangrila]

I know his sample size is small but when he was given big minutes he usually delivered.

This is what would have me worried, aside from his injuries. The question here would be does he produce because he's given big minutes, or does he get big minutes because he's producing? There might not seem like a difference but there is and, to give a comparison, it's the difference between Kevin Love and Martell Webster.

On a side note, I'd be fine with them signing Stevenson as a free agent. The guy has championship experience, didn't have any issues in Dallas and I doubt he would have any issues under Adelman.

[shrink]

I suspect that you had this trade work in the ESPN trade checker, because DAL can't trade DeShawn Stevenson, since his contract expired last year. He would have to be sign-and-traded for three years at a deal starting at close to $4 mil, and there is little reason to think he's worth that. I tried Corey Brewer (who MIN dumped just to be rid of his salary) at $3 mil for two years, and that still wasn't enough to match salaries.

[lilroddyb]

I suspect that you had this trade work in the ESPN trade checker, because DAL can't trade DeShawn Stevenson, since his contract expired last year. He would have to be sign-and-traded for three years at a deal starting at close to $4 mil, and there is little reason to think he's worth that. I tried Corey Brewer (who MIN dumped just to be rid of his salary) at $3 mil for two years, and that still wasn't enough to match salaries.

Yes I did use ESPN trade checker and is was kind of hard to let salaries match. I tried Roddy with Corey Brewer and Rudy Fernandez but then I thought Dallas would have no shootguards left except small ones.
I did put Stevenson with him to let it work.

I have never used this trade checker before and just did it to match salararies and tried to find someone who would not have a longterm deal that would hurt Timberwolves.

I really like both players and was trying to let both franchises have good players with high potential. I would actually like timberwolves with both Roddy and Beasley. I just had hard time finding players from wolves to trade because there are many players with high potential. The other players I thought about were Wesley Johnson or Anthony Randolp.

I have maybe been lurking to much on Dallas forums were many think Roddy can be great player. This is maybe the case with many Franshises like Atlanta: Jeff teague , Wolves: Anthony Randolph. Guys with few minutes but when given opportunity they shine.

Maybe I am letting Roddy be to expensive, Dallas were the champ without him and Caron Butler and wolves might be able to get him for less

[/quote]If it makes you feel any better, I'm tinkering with some Dwight Howard trade possibilities.[/quote]

Yea it makes me feel better.

sorry my spelling sucks

[shrink]

I wonder if sign-and-trades will still be available in the new CBA.

If so, I'd be much more interested in Caron Butler. It's doubtful DAL will be able to afford to bring him back, with newer clamps on spending.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_labor_meeting_092711

NEW YORK – For the first time in two years of labor talks, NBA owners made a modest push from their rigid stance on implementing a hard salary cap, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

The owners proposed at Tuesday’s negotiating session an idea similar to the current system that allows teams to pay a luxury tax for going over the cap. Only, now there would be ultra-punitive measures against higher-spending teams. The current system has teams pay a dollar-for-dollar tax for exceeding the cap.

This is the solution I've been championing for weeks.

[Foye]

Beaubois doesn't do anything to me. Let him have another season of playing small minutes behind Kidd, Terry, Barea, Rudy or whoever. Don't want him in Minnesota - at least not at the price of Beasley.