Lakers / Hawks

DerrickNoah · Post #1 » by **DerrickNoah** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 3:47 am

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachi ... Id=3tkrxw4

Hawks get Andrew Bynum, Steve Blake, & Luke Walton

Lakers get Josh Smith, Zaza Pachulia, & Kirk Hinrich

ATL
Jeff Teague/Blake
Joe Johnson
Marvin Williams
Al Horford
Andrew Bynum

LAL
Kirk Hinrich/Fisher
Kobe
Ron Artest/Barnes
Josh Smith/Odom
Pau Gasol/Zaza

Both teams fill postions of need

Post #2 » by **dockingsched** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 3:50 am

just say no to josh smith, especially for bynum.

_Game7_ · Post #3 » by **_Game7_** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 7:02 am

I take this and run if im the Lakers. You get an athletic big that can give you 16.5ppg 8.5rpg and great defense. Better then Bynum's numbers. Plus you get a banger inside in ZaZa, and a good point guard in Hinrich.

Dont have no idea why ATL would do this though.

Village Idiot · Post #4 » by **Village Idiot** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 8:48 am

As long as Kobe is on the Lakers they are probably in win-now mode. Last year's playoffs showed how unathletic they are. At PG, SF and PF they're really slow. Moving Gasol to C is a logical move and that makes Bynum their best (perhaps only) trade chip.

This deal certainly makes them more athletic. Smith would have ample opportunities to score on cuts with both Kobe and Gasol being good at finding the cutter. Hinrich would give them a much needed defensive presence at PG and his 3pt shooting is just what they need from a PG. His not being a protypical playmaking PG is not an issue either with Kobe and Odom running the offense as much as they do.

This is exactly what Atlanta needs to do. Bynum and Horford would be a dynamite combo. Teague's emergence makes Hinrich somewhat expendible too.

Huuminh · Post #5 » by **Huuminh** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 10:02 am

None!!

myrak433 · Post #6 » by **myrak433** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 10:43 am

this is a no go for Atlanta. Bynum if healthy would be to much for this package. but the problem is he is never healthy. and the hawks need to win now with how much they have paid Joe Johnson. they don't need to move their best defensive player with their only true center in Zaza plus Kirk for someone that has never played a full season...... has he even ever played more than half a season since he has been in the league? sorry but is just to big of a risk for the hawks.

think about it. who would Atlanta have playing once Bynum goes down with yet another injury?

Teague/ Blake
JJ/ Pape Sy
Marvin/ Luke
Horford/ Magnum Rolle
Benson/ Rolle

this would be a nightmare
Bynum on an average, misses 34 games a year for six years now. the Hawks would loose everyone of those games with what is left on that team and never make the playoffs.

parson · Post #7 » by **parson** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 12:23 pm

^There's the problem. Healthy, Bynum's worth that deal, even considering the terrible players/contracts in Blake and Walton. If LA can't keep him healthy - and they have a bigger medical budget - how could the Hawks?

If I were the GM, however, I couldn't pass on the deal immediately. I'd have to hem and haw for days before I said no.

MaceCase · Post #8 » by **MaceCase** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 1:07 pm

Smith for Bynum is not nearly as risky a move as most Hawks fans think. Bynum may not play a full season but the team is pretty much playing for the playoffs as evidenced by last season's tank job to end the season. Their contracts terminate at the same time and I'm of the mind Smith will not be retained past 2013 so if Bynum busts the team moves on or he is resigned at a significantly reduced rate.
I don't know if LA will still run the Triangle but Smith would be a perfect fit under that with his passing ability and who knows, perhaps Kobe's no nonsense alphadog schtick could finally set Smith's head straight and he realizes his potential consistently.

Now I don't know why the Lakers would say no to this deal considering that they are not only getting a better PG and expiring, capable backup center that could start in a pinch, more dynamic player and shedding useless contracts to offset the added value of Bynum being big but I can see why it might be a snag for the Hawks taking on Luke's and Blake's extra salary. If the deal can be worked around just Smith and Zaza for Bynum then I say yes but as is.....naw.

Geaux_Hawks · Post #9 » by **Geaux_Hawks** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 2:09 pm

Healthy Bynum could warrant the Hawks giving up Smith and taking back Blake, but injury prone Bynum doesn't have the value most would think he does.

The Hawks give up the more durable player, the better production, and also the rest of what little bench we have just to get a guy who may not even play 2 full seasons for us.

On the flip side, the Lakers fill every minor and major hole they have and make out like bandits. They get a productive PF with elite athleticism, a defensive minded PG who can shoot the 3 effectively, and add much needed depth at C with a quality back-up. The Hawks basically give the Lakers another championship like the Grizzlies did, except we don't even get the pieces Memphis got.

old rem · Post #10 » by **old rem** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 2:29 pm

Geaux_Hawks wrote:Healthy Bynum could warrant the Hawks giving up Smith and taking back Blake, but injury prone Bynum doesn't have the value most would think he does.

The Hawks give up the more durable player, the better production, and also the rest of what little bench we have just to get a guy who may not even play 2 full seasons for us.

On the flip side, the Lakers fill every minor and major hole they have and make out like bandits. They get a productive PF with elite athleticism, a defensive minded PG who can shoot the 3 effectively, and add much needed depth at C with a quality back-up. The Hawks basically give the Lakers another championship like the Grizzlies did, except we don't even get the pieces Memphis got.

That Bynum is a heavyweight who's knees have been chronic so early in his career....is ominous.
There is no positive trend of staying healthy,and I'd be concerned that he not only misses games but when he's able to play, could have less and less mobility. Aside from the Bynum-Smith part....the rest of the deal easily favors the Lakers.

LApwnd · Post #11 » by **LApwnd** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 6:55 pm

we have a better tweaner in Odom, no need for this trade, Hinrich is the only piece thats of any interest.

Jase · Post #12 » by **Jase** » Tue Sep 6, 2011 11:10 pm

I like it, but not love it, for LA. I'd like to see Smith and Hinrich as Lakers, but Brown wants to involve Bynum more in the offense, so if he can stay healthy (again, yes, a big IF, but it's kind of a make-or-break year for Bynum. Either silence the injury critics or prove them right), it could improve his trade value.

MitchSlapped · Post #13 » by **MitchSlapped** » Wed Sep 7, 2011 7:02 pm

Another tweener? And for Bynum? No thanks.

#1 pick · Post #14 » by **#1 pick** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 2:47 am

Too risky for ATL, doesn't really help LAL. Both teams decline.

Darth Tyrannus · Post #15 » by **Darth Tyrannus** » Fri Sep 16, 2011 3:19 am

ATL says hell no. I rather have a healthy tweener than an injured center

DerrickNoah · Post #16 » by **DerrickNoah** » Mon Sep 19, 2011 5:26 pm

Laker fans-
How does this deal compare to the the IND deal for Hibbert & Collison?

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JoeEl JaVier · Post #17 » by **JoeEl JaVier** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:48 am

Darth Tyrannus wrote:ATL says hell no. I rather have a healthy tweener than an injured center

Why would ATL say heck no when they would be the one calling about Bynum, the Lakers don't need a center they do. If the Haws want our center then Smith, Horford and Potter would have to replace Walton, Blake and Bynum....to be honest I know that it's a good deal, but let's be real Gasol is no center and slotting smith nest to him doesn't make it better. My one reason for my lop-sided offer was to prove a point of how your trade was heavily tipped in the Hawks favor. To be honest were bad trading partners

Darth Tyrannus · Post #18 » by **Darth Tyrannus** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:07 am

How, you get 2 expirings to replace to bums who are overpaid and Smith or Bynum. From a Hawks standpoint they want a Center to play next to Horford, not one to watch on the sidelines. Pretty soon the Lakers are going to get one of those big chairs likes Phil Jackson had because he is always hurt and on the sideline. I do not think the Lakers do it because they have to bank on Bynum being helathy because he is there only good young piece going into the future. So please do not be ridiculous anymore and post a dumb conter proposal.

Jase · Post #19 » by **Jase** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:44 am

I think Hinrich-to-LA is second only to Calderon-to-LA in terms of trade proposal redundancy.

JoeEl JaVier · Post #20 » by **JoeEl JaVier** » Thu Sep 29, 2011 10:13 am

Darth Tyrannus wrote:How, you get 2 expirings to replace to bums who are overpaid and Smith or Bynum. From a Hawks standpoint they want a Center to play next to Horford, not one to watch on the sidelines. Pretty soon the Lakers are going to get one of those big chairs likes Phil Jackson had because he is always hurt and on the sideline. I do not think the Lakers do it because they have to bank on Bynum being helathy because he is there only good young piece going into the future. So please do not be ridiculous anymore and post a dumb conter proposal.

Next time buddy I'll use the green font just for you...okay