2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[Rapsfan07]

if the Spurs have won two picks to give George Hill to Indiana, can we get two picks giving Bayless to Phoenix?

We need to tank, Jarryd growing, we will win some more playing, without a large overhang of W's, resulting in a pick that is neither meat nor fish.

Just tank for a top 5 pick. Phoenix will give us 7-15 pick.

I believe the George Hill deal was for one first round pick which turned out to be Kawhi Leonard.

With Nash's contract expiring after this upcoming season (if there is one) I'm very sure Nash will be traded (and it would be in the best interest of the Suns) . He's a great guy and a HOFer but won't win a ring on the Suns. I expect them to go into full rebuilding mode very soon and do not see them moving their pick for Bayless.

[Laowai]

I'll start Pt II off with this:

Hasheem Thabeet and Courtney Lee for Leandro Barbosa + future 2nd rounder

* HOU saves 2 yrs on Thabeet and 1 yr on Lee. We acquire decent backups for our C and SG spot.

Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Lee
Johnson/Klezia
Davis/Johnson
Bargnani/Thabeet

Thabeet has shown nothing on two teams in two very different systems.
With that said I am not overly opposed to adding him solely as ballast, however if we are unloading a Barbo expiring deal, I would expect a pick coming to us, not leaving us.

Haven't a problem with the trade prefer just Barbosa for Thabeet and Lee all 3 are basically expiring contracts I doubt if the Raptors would exercise the team option on him. Lee could be a back-up for DD. Lee would need a qualifying offer at the end of the year and likely waived. Don't think a 2nd rounder required. Obviously Thabeet will make us worse which is OK.

[Salted Meat]

I'll start Pt II off with this:

Hasheem Thabeet and Courtney Lee for Leandro Barbosa + future 2nd rounder

* HOU saves 2 yrs on Thabeet and 1 yr on Lee. We acquire decent backups for our C and SG spot.

Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Lee
Johnson/Klezia
Davis/Johnson
Bargnani/Thabeet

I'd do it.

We're one of the few places that can give Thabeet a chance to play through his mistakes, and with Casey's focus on the defensive end, he could really help take Thabeet's game to another level. Hasheem didn't get any burn in Houston, but he's shown when he can stay in games, he can actually have a decent impact on the defensive end. Lee was a solid role-player with Orlando and could still prove to be a decent pro if put in the right system.

Or they could both suck balls, and we just don't pick up their options. No skin off our collective nose.

[NH]

I would do this

I'll start Pt II off with this:

Hasheem Thabeet and Courtney Lee for Leandro Barbosa + future 2nd rounder

* HOU saves 2 yrs on Thabeet and 1 yr on Lee. We acquire decent backups for our C and SG spot.

Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Lee
Johnson/Klezia
Davis/Johnson
Bargnani/Thabeet

I'd do it.

We're one of the few places that can give Thabeet a chance to play through his mistakes, and with Casey's focus on the defensive end, he could really help take Thabeet's game to another level. Hasheem didn't get any burn in Houston, but he's shown when he can stay in games, he can actually have a decent impact on the defensive end. Lee was a solid role-player with Orlando and could still prove to be a decent pro if put in the right system.

Or they could both suck balls, and we just don't pick up their options. No skin off our collective nose.

I would do this too. I like Courtney Lees game. I would even trade Alabi with Barbosa to make this deal work if needed.

[ZacharyDG]

I think we should trade Bargnani and Kleiza to Golden State for Dorell Wright and Andris Biedrins, we get our small forward and a center who can start until Jonas is ready, and who will still probably get better. With Derozan at the 2 having a 3 like Wright who can shoot is perfect.

[NH]

Dorrell Wright would be a good fit for the Raps, but too bad GSW has no need for Bargnani.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I'll start Pt II off with this:

Hasheem Thabeet and Courtney Lee for Leandro Barbosa + future 2nd rounder

* HOU saves 2 yrs on Thabeet and 1 yr on Lee. We acquire decent backups for our C and SG spot.

Bayless/Calderon
Derozan/Lee
Johnson/Klezia
Davis/Johnson
Bargnani/Thabeet

Why does Houston take that deal? I think Lee right now might be worth more then Barbosa. When you factor in their ages and contracts I think Houston would rather see what Hasheem can do and same thing with Lee. Toronto gets a sweetheart deal here. Thabeet maybe a bust or turn into a decent backup C here playing behind Jonas V. Either way gives Toronto a good look at the PF and C with

PF: Bargnani/Ed Davis/Amir
C: Jonas V/Hasheem/Amir

That isn't that bad, plus Lee gives us a good cheap young SG who could be decent as well. Either way I just don't see it from Houston's end

[Salted Meat]

Why does Houston take that deal? I think Lee right now might be worth more then Barbosa. When you factor in their ages and contracts I think Houston would rather see what Hasheem can do and same thing with Lee. Toronto gets a sweetheart deal here. Thabeet maybe a bust or turn into a decent backup C here playing behind Jonas V. Either way gives Toronto a good look at the PF and C with

PF: Bargnani/Ed Davis/Amir
C: Jonas V/Hasheem/Amir

That isn't that bad, plus Lee gives us a good cheap young SG who could be decent as well. Either way I just don't see it from Houston's end

I don't see Thabeet getting much burn in Houston when they've already got Patterson, Hill, and the newly drafted Marcus Morris, and Donatas Montiejunas on the roster. Not that they can all play the 5, but that's still a crowded frontcourt which doesn't yet include Scola.

Their back court is pretty crowded too with Lowry, Dragic, Flynn, Martin, and Terrence Williams (who can play the 3, but can play minutes at the 2 as well) Both Thabeet and Lee could see a lot of pine next season.

Barbosa as a player is probably not a great asset for Houston, unless they plan on unloading a few of the guys previously mentioned, but he does help as an expiring contract, which will clear a decent amount of capspace, should the Rockets want to hold onto Hill, Williams, or Patterson past the 2012 season. As a player, he's still incredibly useful, and can provide a great scoring punch off the bench.

It's not a sexy deal for Houston. I mean, Barbosa is a well known guy, but it's a deal they'd make mostly for financial reasons. Houston gets a sure thing in an expiring contract, and Toronto gets a big maybe with two prospects that haven't yet (and in Thabeet's case, may never reach) their full potential

[Rapsfan07]

How do we feel about dealing for a stop gap like Zaza Pachulia or Birdman...or both?

Maybe something like:

To TOR: Pachulia
To ATL: 2012 2nd round pick

To DEN: 2013 2nd round pick
To TOR: Birdman

Pachulia expires in 2 years while Birdman expires in 3. By the time Jonas comes over they'll be down to 1 for Pachulia and 2 for Birdman but Until then, it would give us to actual Centers that can share the minutes. And added bonus would be that Pachulia and Jose expire at the same time (summer of 2013) when there is supposed to be a pretty good free agent class so we'd have about 15 million to spend on a free agent. Then Jonas and Birdman can share the C duties as I'm sure we'll need to give Val time to get accustomed to the NBA game.

Thoughts?

Btw I did see that Birdman didn't play much this reason and I'm not sure why so maybe someone can inform me. Also, I'm not certain of their value to to their respective teams so I don't know if this deal would work but from our side, we could absorb them into the TPE.

[Twoism]

How do we feel about dealing for a stop gap like Zaza Pachulia or Birdman...or both?

Maybe something like:

To TOR: Pachulia
To ATL: 2012 2nd round pick

To DEN: 2013 2nd round pick
To TOR: Birdman

Pachulia expires in 2 years while Birdman expires in 3. By the time Jonas comes over they'll be down to 1 for Pachulia and 2 for Birdman but Until then, it would give us to actual Centers that can share the minutes. And added bonus would be that Pachulia and Jose expire at the same time (summer of 2013) when there is supposed to be a pretty good free agent class so we'd have about 15 million to spend on a free agent. Then Jonas and Birdman can share the C duties as I'm sure we'll need to give Val time to get accustomed to the NBA game.

Thoughts?

Btw I did see that Birdman didn't play much this reason and I'm not sure why so maybe someone can inform me. Also, I'm not certain of their value to to their respective teams so I don't know if this deal would work but from our side, we could absorb them into the TPE.

Pachulia is not for free. He's one of the best post def of the east coast, he's tough, he's still 27 and has a lot of PO experience. He could be a great fit off the bench. We can also catch the rising star in the draft but to grownin' until a PO team we need solid role player like him.

I think it's more close Amir for Zaza + 2012 2round pick.

and more, we still miss the European-Caucasian zone.

[Silk Wilkes]

Even Hawks fans seem to want to give Zaza away for free. So why exactly do you want to involve Amir?

[Twoism]

there is no Hawks fans.

Nothing personal, someone has to leave, if you want a lottery pick you sacrifice Ed, if you want a role player that you miss you sacrifice Amir.

We must be prepared for that moment, one of our PFs will leave us, so let's not start discussions based on hate and love.

If Zaza cames for a 2nd pick I'd be happy, clearly. But i think is an unrealistic scenario.

[Mr Swagtastic]

I would throw up at the idea of a Amir Johnson for Zaza deal. Toronto isn't in any hurry to cut costs and if we did Amir at $5-$6 million isn't the guy I would cut. It would be Jose or Bargs or Klezia first and foremost. You don't tarde your best defender for a band-aid solution to fix your C problem.

[C_Money]

Yeah we should trade DeMar for Morris Peterson while we're at it. Throw in a 2nd round pick to make it even though.

[Twoism]

Ok trade who you want. My point is Zaza underrated in Rapsfan07's post.

[Visceral]

there is no Hawks fans.

Nothing personal, someone has to leave, if you want a lottery pick you sacrifice Ed, if you want a role player that you miss you sacrifice Amir.

We must be prepared for that moment, one of our PFs will leave us, so let's not start discussions based on hate and love.

If Zaza cames for a 2nd pick I'd be happy, clearly. But i think is an unrealistic scenario.

Why? Are we not allowed to be deep in a position? You realize strong teams have strong role players that can start on other teams?

In any case, Zaza is much worse than Amir.

Edit:

Actually, the only scenario I would trade one of them (preferably Ed Davis) is if we get a top 3 pick and go with Anthony Davis, and then trade Ed Davis who we can package with Andrea and that will ship him off for sure. No problem. Add a 2nd round pick and you don't get a bad contract back at all, but a good player.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Ok trade who you want. My point is Zaza underrated in Rapsfan07's post.

Well the Hawks are a team that have a lot of salary committed to 4 players in Horford, Marv Williams, Josh Smith and Joe Johnson that's like $58-$59 million for 4 players without Teague's new extension and the minimum number of players which is 12 or 13 I believe. They are going to have to go after a lot of veteran minimum talent players to hope they can compete. Zaza might the odd guy out who knows cause I doubt your going to be able to get anything good for Marvin Williams, I just wouldn't trade Amir for him a 2nd and instant cap space might be as good as your going to get. Atlanta could go after a guy like Aaron Grey for half of what they are paying Zaza as his replacement and maybe get a Joel Pryzbilla to boot as well.

If I was Toronto I would hope to god some team (if there is a season this year) needs a spark off the bench for their playoff push or has to replace a injured or struggling SG and see if we could off load Barbosa for a 1st round pick in the later 2012 draft and maybe take a small contract back that runs a year longer. If not we just let Barbs expire and see if we could trade Ed Davis for a 2nd pick in 2012 for a Myck Kobango or Michael Gillchrist if we take a PF first Drummond.

[Rapsfan07]

Ok trade who you want. My point is Zaza underrated in Rapsfan07's post.

Well the Hawks are a team that have a lot of salary committed to 4 players in Horford, Marv Williams, Josh Smith and Joe Johnson that's like $58-$59 million for 4 players without Teague's new extension and the minimum number of players which is 12 or 13 I believe. They are going to have to go after a lot of veteran minimum talent players to hope they can compete. Zaza might the odd guy out who knows cause I doubt your going to be able to get anything good for Marvin Williams, I just wouldn't trade Amir for him a 2nd and instant cap space might be as good as your going to get. Atlanta could go after a guy like Aaron Grey for half of what they are paying Zaza as his replacement and maybe get a Joel Pryzbilla to boot as well.

If I was Toronto I would hope to god some team (if there is a season this year) needs a spark off the bench for their playoff push or has to replace a injured or struggling SG and see if we could off load Barbosa for a 1st round pick in the later 2012 draft and maybe take a small contract back that runs a year longer. If not we just let Barbs expire and see if we could trade Ed Davis for a 2nd pick in 2012 for a Myck Kobango or Michael Gillchrist if we take a PF first Drummond.

That's the point I was trying to make. Hawks are in dire straits financially and would offload Zaza to help free up some money. But no way I move Amir for him. Zaza isn't worth that much. I think a second or late late first is a fair return for Pachulia.

Where Barbosa is concerned, I'm fairly sure he'll be a hot commodity come the trade deadline and a late 2012 first rounder is fair value for him. I'm sure a team like Chicago (desperately in need of a SG) or OKC would bite for that price. Maybe a Korver + pick for Barbosa + cash deal?

As for Ed Davis, he's a good player with some nice potential so I think a mid-lotto pick for him is very fair as well...but if I'm moving Ed, it won't be for a Kabongo as I highly doubt he ends up a lottery pick (and if he does, I don't see him in the middle of the lotto). Probably somewhere in the range of 14 (max) - 16 or 17. Depending on how the lottery falls and who declares, I'd want Drummond with our pick and if we move Ed, I want either Gilchrist or Miller and we can create a package that would make it work if needs be.

[gdla]

Trade Bargani for anything. If you can do this, this make be best Raptors transfer in history. In NBA, game is "run and shoot", so this tallent to slow play in very atack role. If you want play smart, defence game than again Bargani sucks. No defence, no rebound. Bargani not terryble player. But not "superstar" too. Bargani wage like "superstar",

[Mr Swagtastic]

Ok trade who you want. My point is Zaza underrated in Rapsfan07's post.

Well the Hawks are a team that have a lot of salary committed to 4 players in Horford, Marv Williams, Josh Smith and Joe Johnson that's like $58-$59 million for 4 players without Teague's new extension and the minimum number of players which is 12 or 13 I believe. They are going to have to go after a lot of veteran minimum talent players to hope they can compete. Zaza might the odd guy out who knows cause I doubt your going to be able to get anything good for Marvin Williams, I just wouldn't trade Amir for him a 2nd and instant cap space might be as good as your going to get. Atlanta could go after a guy like Aaron Grey for half of what they are paying Zaza as his replacement and maybe get a Joel Pryzbilla to boot as well.

If I was Toronto I would hope to god some team (if there is a season this year) needs a spark off the bench for their playoff push or has to replace a injured or struggling SG and see if we could off load Barbosa for a 1st round pick in the later 2012 draft and maybe take a small contract back that runs a year longer. If not we just let Barbs expire and see if we could trade Ed Davis for a 2nd pick in 2012 for a Myck Kobango or Michael Gillchrist if we take a PF first Drummond.

That's the point I was trying to make. Hawks are in dire straits financially and would offload Zaza to help free up some money. But no way I move Amir for him. Zaza isn't worth that much. I think a second or late late first is a fair return for Pachulia.

Where Barbosa is concerned, I'm fairly sure he'll be a hot commodity come the trade deadline and a late 2012 first rounder is fair value for him. I'm sure a team like Chicago (desperately in need of a SG) or OKC would bite for that price. Maybe a Korver + pick for Barbosa + cash deal?

As for Ed Davis, he's a good player with some nice potential so I think a mid-lotto pick for him is very fair as well...but if I'm moving Ed, it won't be for a Kabongo as I highly doubt he ends up a lottery pick (and if he does, I don't see him in the middle of the lotto). Probably somewhere in the range of 14 (max) - 16 or 17. Depending on how the lottery falls and who declares, I'd want Drummond with our pick and if we move Ed, I want either Gilchrist or Miller and we can create a package that would make it work if needs be.

Good luck getting Miller in the mid-lotto he's easily gone before #10 at worst. I think he might go top 5 he's that good he's a sure fire thing. Gillchrist and Kobango might be the 2 best talents and fits at the 14-18 range where Davis' value might be. Who knows a team might give us a 12th overall pick or something in that range. I seriously doubt we get a top 10 pick for him.