Dwyane Wade disrespects Chauncey Billups

[iDunk]

I wouldn't be talking if I was Wade especially since Anthony Carter can shut him down.

[MadGrinch]

truthfully the knicks need a guy like joakim noah alot more than they need chris paul .

the knicks need to have 5 productive guys on the court most of the time , not 2 superstars a minor star a complimentary piece and a complete scrub at center(jeffries, turiaf , harrelson etc.)

[vallen]

all off season long all i hear are scenarios about what we are going to do with our 2012 money. i dont think one of those scenarios were "lets resign Chauncey, hes good enough to be our 3rd".........

you have to respect chauncey, hes had a great career, but hes not our answer for the next 4-6 years...everyone knows this, and what dwayne said has only been echoed on this board 1000x over...

no big deal.

[eviL]

Wade is a f'in idiot, plain and simple

[devv83]

He is right though. Chauncey is not capable of running a offense like the knicks offense. He slows the tempo down and he is not the best facilitator. After watching chauncey the past cpl yrs its clear he has lost two steps maybe even 3. He cants stay in front of his defender and he has a horrible shot selection. When he was on the nuggets he had a horrible shot selection worse than JR smith.

Every knick game I watched he brought the ball down and fed it to Melo in the post, he had no sync with amare or anyone else on the team at all. To be honest when he was out and Melo was running the offense it looked much smoother.

[2010]

First of all, he obviously didn't mean to insult Billups whatsoever.

Second of all, what exactly did he say that was wrong? To be serious contenders, we DO need another piece. Is anybody disagreeing with that?

I don't think he meant to insult Billups, but Billups might look at it like he was insulted. Anyway, I think Billups still has a lot left in the tank. I think he's gonna surprise some people now that he's fully healthy. I think once he gets more comfortable with with this team, he will perform much better.

What do you mean you don't think he mean to insult Billups? How could Chauncey take it any other way? He clearly stated we need another consistent scorer capable of averaging at least 15ppg. He said we don't need another superstar, we just need another piece.

All of those comments completely marginalize Billups when in fact he is fully capable of being our 3rd big piece who is consistently capable of scoring over 15ppg. Billups is a former all-star who is savvy and a great leader. He actually single-handedly beat the Heat down the stretch last season. Wade completely blew him off. Any man with pride, such as Billups and his credentials, would (and should) be offended by those comments from Wade.

So are you saying that we're serious contenders right now and we don't need to add any significant pieces? You can get caught up on the 15ppg part, but the bottom line is we're not going to win a championship if Chauncey is our third best player. In any case, he's here for at most 1 more season, in all likelihood.

Yes, we need to still add significant pieces. But to be honest, we are fine as contenders with Chauncey as our 3rd scorer at PG *if* we have a real defensive presence at center.

Dwyane Wade was clearly talking about offense, as he specifically mentioned a championship team having three scorers capable of averaging 15ppg. He even emphasized that the third offensive threat need not be on the same level as Amar'e and Carmelo.

To ignore Billups' contribution is disrespectful (age and contract status is irrelevant). Wade needs to worry about his own basketball team. He could have easily sidestepped the question by stating something like "I can't be worried about what the Knicks need to do to win a championship. I am only focused on what my team needs to do to fulfill our expectations of winning 'not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven...' championships of our own."

Last time I checked, the Heat had some glaring holes of their own and unbeknownst to Wade, it has not been proven that they are the "recipe" to cooking up and delivering what it takes to win it all, as presently constituted.

So I guess it is safe to say Glen Grunwald is no longer interim GM of the Knicks and we've in fact hired Dwyane Wade!

[2010]

all off season long all i hear are scenarios about what we are going to do with our 2012 money. i dont think one of those scenarios were "lets resign Chauncey, hes good enough to be our 3rd".........

you have to respect chauncey, hes had a great career, but hes not our answer for the next 4-6 years...everyone knows this, and what dwayne said has only been echoed on this board 1000x over...

no big deal.

Of course as Knicks fans we're going to dream up scenarios where we have enough cap space to acquire top notch talent like Paul or Howard as our first choice. But it remains to be seen if the next CBA will allow that to happen realistically. Therefore, even Wade himself seems to be speaking into the boom mic about how we do not need a third superstar. With that said, a scenario where end up resigning Billups for cheap as our third scorer and investing the bulk of our remaining cap space on a defensive center like Greg Oden with maybe the leftovers going to a discount guy like Wilson Chandler (along with the development of Iman Shumpert) we'd maybe even be more of a contender than say solely signing Paul and a bunch of scrubs.

[Capn'O]

What's weird about these comments is that the Heat team that, you know, actually won didn't have a big 3. They had the classic 1-2 punch in Wade and Shaq and then some very good depth in Jason Williams, Zo, Toine, Haslem, The Glove, Posey, and other good role players. That was a good TEAM with DEPTH. They could beat you on both ends of the court.

So him talking about "having the recipe" by acquiring two other stars is bizarre. Who woulda thunk it?!

As already mentioned, our team this season actually matches up pretty well with the Heat but would get CRUSHED by a team like Dallas. Even Boston would likely give us a hard time. Each of those teams can beat you 1-5 so if we're rolling 3+2scrubs out there... yeah... Chauncey probably doesn't cut it. But only because our team doesn't have the DEPTH beyond our main 3 guys unless some of our young bucks step up.

It's also weird that he disregards Billups that way because CB has the same record in the finals as Wade and came much closer to having 2 chips. Billups sure as **** knows the recipe!

[vallen]

all off season long all i hear are scenarios about what we are going to do with our 2012 money. i dont think one of those scenarios were "lets resign Chauncey, hes good enough to be our 3rd".........

you have to respect chauncey, hes had a great career, but hes not our answer for the next 4-6 years...everyone knows this, and what dwayne said has only been echoed on this board 1000x over...

no big deal.

Of course as Knicks fans we're going to dream up scenarios where we have enough cap space to acquire top notch talent like Paul or Howard as our first choice. But it remains to be seen if the next CBA will allow that to happen realistically. Therefore, even Wade himself seems to be speaking into the boom mic about how we do not need a third superstar. With that said, a scenario where end up resigning Billups for cheap as our third scorer and investing the bulk of our remaining cap space on a defensive center like Greg Oden with maybe the leftovers going to a discount guy like Wilson Chandler (along with the development of Iman Shumpert) we'd maybe even be more of a contender than say solely signing Paul and a bunch of scrubs.

i have no problems splitting that money up, but chauncey isnt helping us long term. he was already petitioning for front office with denver before that trade, he just doesnt have much time on the clock. if not physically, mentally or both hes already 1 foot out the door.

and realistically he knows his contract is trade bait, especially with donnie gone. he doesnt want to keep doin that. i think hes ready to move on. hes got nothing left to prove, and i think hes ready to retire anyway.

[Capn'O]

'not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven...'

Has it been mentioned yet that so far LeBron is spot on with his prediction

[2010]

all off season long all i hear are scenarios about what we are going to do with our 2012 money. i dont think one of those scenarios were "lets resign Chauncey, hes good enough to be our 3rd".........

you have to respect chauncey, hes had a great career, but hes not our answer for the next 4-6 years...everyone knows this, and what dwayne said has only been echoed on this board 1000x over...

no big deal.

Of course as Knicks fans we're going to dream up scenarios where we have enough cap space to acquire top notch talent like Paul or Howard as our first choice. But it remains to be seen if the next CBA will allow that to happen realistically. Therefore, even Wade himself seems to be speaking into the boom mic about how we do not need a third superstar. With that said, a scenario where end up resigning Billups for cheap as our third scorer and investing the bulk of our remaining cap space on a defensive center like Greg Oden with maybe the leftovers going to a discount guy like Wilson Chandler (along with the development of Iman Shumpert) we'd maybe even be more of a contender than say solely signing Paul and a bunch of scrubs.

i have no problems splitting that money up, but chauncey isnt helping us long term. he was already petitioning for front office with denver before that trade, he just doesnt have much time on the clock. if not physically, mentally or both hes already 1 foot out the door.

and realistically he knows his contract is trade bait, especially with donnie gone. he doesnt want to keep doin that. i think hes ready to move on. hes got nothing left to prove, and i think hes ready to retire anyway.

This is not consistent at all with what Billups has said out of his own mouth. He has been quoted as saying he wants to play for at least 2-to-3 more seasons as the first 5 years of his career he didn't play much anyway, so he doesn't have as much mileage as the average PG in his age group.

[2010]

'not one, not two, not three, not four, not five, not six, not seven...'

Has it been mentioned yet that so far LeBron is spot on with his prediction

Haha, nice work!

[rammagen]

Wade is a little bitch who got mad at stern because stern called him out for manipulating free agency openly. Thus ruining the game and basically cheating.
I will miss basketball but at least stern had the balls to point him out directly for behaving like a child.
I just wish they would settle at 50 percent and call it day

[vallen]

This is not consistent at all with what Billups has said out of his own mouth. He has been quoted as saying he wants to play for at least 2-to-3 more seasons as the first 5 years of his career he didn't play much anyway, so he doesn't have as much mileage as the average PG in his age group.

you have a link to these quotes. Ive seen a lot that said he was ready to retire in DEN, but never this.

[vallen]

This is not consistent at all with what Billups has said out of his own mouth. He has been quoted as saying he wants to play for at least 2-to-3 more seasons as the first 5 years of his career he didn't play much anyway, so he doesn't have as much mileage as the average PG in his age group.

you have a link to these quotes. Ive seen a lot that said he was ready to retire in DEN, but never this.

oh ya i remember this quote on coming to NYC.

"Oh it was hard, hardest thing I've ever had to do," Billups said. "I had to tell my girls that daddy was traded, that he was leaving to play across the country. I told them it wasn't my choice, that nothing could be done about it. I had to go. It wasn't a happy scene.

[2010]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/ ... id=6437715

Billups will be 35 in September and said this week he hoped to return to New York for his 15th NBA season. After playing most of his career at 215 pounds, Billups said Monday he planned to come in at 210 next season to better handle the pace of Mike D'Antoni's system. He insists he has plenty of basketball left.

"My body has been great," Billups said. "I'm 34, not 39. My first five years I didn't play that much anyway, unfortunately, but my body is fine."

[vallen]

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nba/news/story?id=6437715

Billups will be 35 in September and said this week he hoped to return to New York for his 15th NBA season. After playing most of his career at 215 pounds, Billups said Monday he planned to come in at 210 next season to better handle the pace of Mike D'Antoni's system. He insists he has plenty of basketball left.

"My body has been great," Billups said. "I'm 34, not 39. My first five years I didn't play that much anyway, unfortunately, but my body is fine."

you said "He has been quoted as saying he wants to play for at least 2-to-3 more season"

i dont see that quote anywhere. i see a guy reassuring people hes was worth his option being picked up, that hes got plenty of basketball left. not that hes playing any extra seasons in NYC beyond that....

either way i get it, you think chauncey can be the man for 3-4 more more years here, i think we can do better. w/e.

[Capn'O]

Billups really hasn't shown any signs of checking out this summer. He participated in the Vegas league and has talked at length about wanting to work with Iman.

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Maybe Wade excluded him because he's not in our long term plans... maybe he was talking about what we'll do next offseason... but he's certainly in the plans this season as the 3rd guy.

[Knicksfan20]

I think Shumpert will end up being that 15ppg player we need. Even as a rookie, i think he will be right around that mark. between 12-15

[2010]

If you think Billups is talking like a general manager, well, that’s eventually what he wouldn’t mind becoming. But Billups, 35 in September, looks to still have several seasons left as a player.

Billups is in no hurry to retire, saying he plans to play at least a couple of more seasons. Will he last as long as Dallas point guard Jason Kidd, 38, who has said he would like to play until he’s 40? “I’m pretty sure I could,’’ Billups said.

http://blogs.hoopshype.com/blogs/tomass ... ore-stars/