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Post#1 » by dukeknicksirish » Wed Sep 28, 2011 1:33 am

Would you guys be interested in Rashard Lewis to be your SF if, when, his contract is dropped? Would he fit your guys' need at the 3? Do you guys need more of a slasher or will his spot up shooting be more accepted? Speaking of the Amnesty rule, would you guys consider dropping Mo Williams if you had the ability? Or would you drop Foye and his longer contract?

5.DeAndre/Kaman
4.Blake/Smith
3.Rashard/Aminu
2.Eric G./Gomes
1.Eric B.
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Post#2 » by adiedanny » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:39 am

dukeknicksirish wrote:Would you guys be interested in Rashard Lewis to be your SF if, when, his contract is dropped? Would he fit your guys' need at the 3? Do you guys need more of a slasher or will his spot up shooting be more accepted? Speaking of the Amnesty rule, would you guys consider dropping Mo Williams if you had the ability? Or would you drop Foye and his longer contract?

5.DeAndre/Kaman
4.Blake/Smith
3.Rashard/Aminu
2.Eric G./Gomes
1.Eric B.

Not really. More interested in a defensive minded SF. This is the last year of Foye's contrcat and Mo Williams has a PO but I like Mo and what he brings to our team. Sort of like what Cassell brought.
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Post#3 » by adiedanny » Wed Sep 28, 2011 2:42 am

dukeknicksirish wrote:Would you guys be interested in Rashard Lewis to be your SF if, when, his contract is dropped? Would he fit your guys' need at the 3? Do you guys need more of a slasher or will his spot up shooting be more accepted? Speaking of the Amnesty rule, would you guys consider dropping Mo Williams if you had the ability? Or would you drop Foye and his longer contract?

5.DeAndre/Kaman
4.Blake/Smith
3.Rashard/Aminu
2.Eric G./Gomes
1.Eric B.

If anything I think Gomes guaranteed 2012/13 contract would be dropped if we need to drop a salary
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Post#4 » by thanumba2clippersfan » Wed Sep 28, 2011 3:47 pm

Like adiedanny said we need someone who is more defensive minded. If we already had a defensive SF who could hit open shots then I wouldn't mind having Lewis come off the bench if he could be signed cheap.
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Post#5 » by mkwest » Wed Sep 28, 2011 5:13 pm

The amnesty clause being used on this team all depends on the terms of the rule imo. Many are saying that the players will come off of the cap as well. I don't like that and feel that it rewards financial recklessness by the GM's. Organizations would be rewarded for making bad signings. I believe that it should be the same as it was when the "Allan Houston Rule" first came in to play. If you're over the luxury tax, then you don't pay tax for that particular player, but you still pay his contract and he still counts against the cap.

We're actually under the cap, so getting luxury tax relief is not even that beneficial to us at the present time. We may as well keep the players (i.e. Gomes) if we have to pay them anyway. If a player's salary amount is removed from the team's salary, then that does expand the list of players of whom we could/would use the clause for. There are some big free-agents next year and waiving a player like Mo would clear up even more cap space to sign players outright or to absorb players through trade.
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Post#6 » by RiversideClips » Wed Sep 28, 2011 11:30 pm

I would Love to get rid of Mo Williams. I think he brings NOTHING to the the Clips. Trading for Mo was a Silly move, giving up the 1st pick & Baron for a 2nd tier player. Still am not happy about that trade......................
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Post#7 » by adiedanny » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:19 am

RiversideClips wrote:I would Love to get rid of Mo Williams. I think he brings NOTHING to the the Clips. Trading for Mo was a Silly move, giving up the 1st pick & Baron for a 2nd tier player. Still am not happy about that trade......................

Wow really that much? I think he will bring a lot to the team and it will really show this season if it ever starts. I was upset about giving up the first pick but still happy with the move over all. Who knows what would have happened if we kept Baron??? We could have not ended up with the first pick.
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Post#8 » by RiversideClips » Thu Sep 29, 2011 11:25 pm

I don't think that Mo is a Pg, just a decent SG. Why do we a decent SG when we have EJ. Mo doesn't have good court vision, he does not have superior handles and he is not a great play maker. If we gave up Baron & a 1st why did we get just an average player in return?
We could have package Baron & the Draft pick together and gotten a 3 or another good player. Neil Oshley pulled the trigger too quick & Clipper Nation got " Too Slow Mo."
Totally dislike Mo as a Clip, hopefully the NBA can Lockout for 2 years and Mo will never suit up for us again (the 2 year Lock out is a joke)
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Post#9 » by playaloc916 » Fri Sep 30, 2011 3:47 pm

RiversideClips wrote:I don't think that Mo is a Pg, just a decent SG. Why do we a decent SG when we have EJ. Mo doesn't have good court vision, he does not have superior handles and he is not a great play maker. If we gave up Baron & a 1st why did we get just an average player in return?
We could have package Baron & the Draft pick together and gotten a 3 or another good player. Neil Oshley pulled the trigger too quick & Clipper Nation got " Too Slow Mo."
Totally dislike Mo as a Clip, hopefully the NBA can Lockout for 2 years and Mo will never suit up for us again (the 2 year Lock out is a joke)

I'm afraid I have to agree. We gave up a great playmaker (well, sometimes at least), for Mo, who hasn't shown much so far. We already have Foye, who is a bit like Mo as well. We needed someone to continue the Baron-Blake alleyoop dunkfest.

If a PG is out of the picture, at least get a good SF, because that is like the achilles heel for this team. We've had that need for so long, and it just isn't being met.

Mo has been disappointing to me so far. One of his strengths was supposed to be shooting, but he didn't shoot a good overall percentage with us. If he can dramatically raise it next season, and develop some better passing skills, then we should be able to see how much of a benefit he is to this team. If not, damn.
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Post#10 » by dukeknicksirish » Sat Oct 1, 2011 1:41 am

Ok... say that LAC doesn't cut anybody, but once Trevor Ariza is amnestied, would you sign him?

5.DeAndre/Kaman
4.Blake
3.Ariza/Aminu
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1.Mo/Eric B.
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Post#11 » by adiedanny » Sat Oct 1, 2011 5:24 am

dukeknicksirish wrote:Ok... say that LAC doesn't cut anybody, but once Trevor Ariza is amnestied, would you sign him?

5.DeAndre/Kaman
4.Blake
3.Ariza/Aminu
2.Eric/Foye
1.Mo/Eric B.

Possibly but I think their numer one choice is Iggy via a trade.
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Post#12 » by scoobs07 » Wed Oct 5, 2011 6:29 am

Lewis would be a good fit...He is a good three pointer shooter and we could get him for cheap, since he would already be getting paid 19 million from Washington. I know we have enough 3/4 types with Gomes and Aminu Lewis is a vet SF that will get 30 mpg. Clippers probably could get him for 2years/8million.
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Post#13 » by sipclip » Thu Oct 6, 2011 2:50 pm

I think Brandon Roy would be my top target if he is amnestied. He will obviously never be what he once was but I think the guy can still play at a high level for 20 minutes a game. This team desperately needs a wing that has the size and skills to play the 2 and 3 so Roy would step in right away and fill a major hole. The lack of versatility on this team is a major issue right now and it needs to be dealt with whether it is Brandon Roy or another wing with size and skills to play the 2 and 3. Right now we have to many sg's in pg bodies which is the opposite of versatility.
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Post#14 » by thanumba2clippersfan » Thu Oct 6, 2011 6:08 pm

sipclip wrote:I think Brandon Roy would be my top target if he is amnestied. He will obviously never be what he once was but I think the guy can still play at a high level for 20 minutes a game. This team desperately needs a wing that has the size and skills to play the 2 and 3 so Roy would step in right away and fill a major hole. The lack of versatility on this team is a major issue right now and it needs to be dealt with whether it is Brandon Roy or another wing with size and skills to play the 2 and 3. Right now we have to many sg's in pg bodies which is the opposite of versatility.


I would love to add Roy as long as he would be willing to come off the bench.
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Post#15 » by scoobs07 » Sat Oct 8, 2011 3:17 am

I wouldn't mind adding Roy or Lewis. Lewis seems to be a bated shooter though, and is probably even a better defender since his knees are not bone on bone like Roy. He probably could contribute more minutes too.
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Post#16 » by mkwest » Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:52 am

You can't really complain about either if they were willing to come here for a small contract. My preference between Roy and Lewis. I would probably go with Lewis. I feel that Lewis knows his role at this point. Roy is still finding his. The lack of cartilage in Roy's knees limits what can be expected out of him. He had a couple of nice games in the playoffs, but that more than likely won't be the norm.

Roy could probably offer better peak performances when he's feeling good, but Lewis would probably be more steady imo.
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Post#17 » by scoobs07 » Sun Oct 16, 2011 6:27 pm

There seems like there could be a lot of free agent SF available. So far I could think of the following:
1. Prince
2. Battier
3. Richardson
4. Lewis
5. Carter
6. Roy
7. Butler
8. Jones
9. Kapono
10. Green
11. Young
12. Hill
13. McGrady

Those are just the ones I could think about at the top of my head. That's almost for half of the NBA teams. The Clipps could outbid a lot of teams in terms of talent and finances. Plus, I don't think he amnesty players will be looking for huge contracts. Clips will probably sign one of these guys and use their assets to try and get a elite PG or wait till next off season.
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Post#18 » by mkwest » Sun Oct 16, 2011 9:37 pm

Scoobs, have you read/heard the latest developments on the amnesty clause?

If the amnesty is used on a player, then 50% of a player's salary will count against the cap for twice the length of the current contract. In Portland's situation, ~$8.25M would count against the cap for the next 8 seasons if they amnestied Roy. Of course nothing regarding the new CBA is written in stone yet, but this execution of the clause would drastically change how it is used. Players like Roy, Arenas, Lewis, etc. would likely not be cut. It would probably be used on lower-priced contracts consisting of 1-2 years.

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