Anybody feel Heats title window is based on Wade's prime?

[DWadeno3]

It's like people have forgotten how Wade was without his ridiculously quick first step,hops and overall speed, that Wade was still an All-star.

And in the 07/08 season he didn't even go to the post that much. He almost solely relied on his good ball handling and his midrange game.

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For all the talk I hear about Wade declining quickly because he's not the most skilled player and doesn't have the outside game of Kobe and Jordan to last as long, I think its all essentially a pile of crap.

The best players at each position that have lasted a long time and had sustained excellence have all been great athletes.
Look at the SG position... Kobe, Drexler, Jordan, etc. All great athletes, all had great long careers.
How about SF? Pippen, Dominique, Erving, Baylor...
Onto PF's... Garnett, Malone, Rodman...
Centers? Shaq, Hakeem, Robinson, Wilt...

Wade is a great athlete, and great athletes are the ones that are able to handle and maintain their bodies to be able to play at a high level over a long period of time. Sure, Wade getting a better outside game would be nice, but it also might lead him to not look after his body as well as he does now.

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[MartyCONLONNN]

I think the Heat's title chances are reliant on different things

1) Getting a legitimate NBA center. Right now they've got a bunch of guys who are worth 6 hard fouls each. I think sometimes people focus too much one what the Miami Three can and can't do, without considering that center and point guard are positions where they need help.

2) Getting a point guard who can hit consistently be a long range gunner

3) Getting some "glue guys" to round out the roster. For depth, for bench play and for hard nosed defense and size.

I think Bosh gets far too much flak for not being the physical enforcer type that the Heat fans want, but that was never his game and not his best method of play.

As for Wade, he needs to develop, if he can at this point, a long range jumper that is consistent and deadly. It will prolong his career, it will help space the floor and frankly, after yelling at Stern, he will be shooting about 2 free throw attempts per game for the rest of his career so I question how long he can be a slasher and still be effective without Stern's refs helping him out.

Honestly, I think the Heat would be better off moving Bosh to small forward, moving James to shooting guard and trading Wade to get the rest of the pieces they need. The Big Three, even with the discounts they took, are just eating too much cap to effectively build a fully rounded team.

I feel like outside of the PG and Center & Bosh getting a lot of heat, the rest of this post is bogus material, no offense. but you are talking about a team that steamrolled their way into the finals their first year together and were up to 2-1 in the finals and were 2 wins away from an nba championship... the improvements u mentioned at pg and center will come and so will the improvement of the team and coaching, more importantly though... LBJ's mentality and ability to make sure he plays to his potential in a finals series. but i wouldnt even go as far to pin it just on him.

either way, you don't trade away one of the biggest game performers we have in the game today in D Wade move a 6'8 beast who's developing a post game to shooting guard and move a non athletic 6'11 PF/C to chase around small forwards? and to sign who in replacing all that Wade brings to the table? Reymond Felton Brendan Haywood and Shane Battier types? give me a break.

so much fail all over, i repeat: 2 wins away from a championship, could still win it with the same core and some coaching/strategic changes. perspective please.

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[DWadeno3]

I think the Heat's title chances are reliant on different things

1) Getting a legitimate NBA center. Right now they've got a bunch of guys who are worth 6 hard fouls each. I think sometimes people focus too much one what the Miami Three can and can't do, without considering that center and point guard are positions where they need help.

2) Getting a point guard who can hit consistently be a long range gunner

3) Getting some "glue guys" to round out the roster. For depth, for bench play and for hard nosed defense and size.

I think Bosh gets far too much flak for not being the physical enforcer type that the Heat fans want, but that was never his game and not his best method of play.

As for Wade, he needs to develop, if he can at this point, a long range jumper that is consistent and deadly. It will prolong his career, it will help space the floor and frankly, after yelling at Stern, he will be shooting about 2 free throw attempts per game for the rest of his career so I question how long he can be a slasher and still be effective without Stern's refs helping him out.

Honestly, I think the Heat would be better off moving Bosh to small forward, moving James to shooting guard and trading Wade to get the rest of the pieces they need. The Big Three, even with the discounts they took, are just eating too much cap to effectively build a fully rounded team.

I agree about points number 1 and 2.

a) Yeah sure, yelling at Stern during CBA negotiations will affect the way referees treat him on the court. This is the childish non-sense bitter haters believe in, but these men are grown and Wade's playing style simply sends him to the line often, no matter what.

b) Wade has constantly worked on his postgame over the past years and is actually a legitimate threat down there, which will help him tremendously once his athleticism is starting to decline. His excellent footwork and ball handling will help him to age nicely and his jumper is better than people give him credit for.

c) Moving Bosh to small forward is probably one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard in my entire life. Offensively, he doesn't have the range or the ball handling and let alone the quickness to play the 3 and defensively, that lack of quickness will kill him every time. Bosh is a finesse power forward who can stretch the floor but also score in the post with his good skill set. With a decent center next to him, he'll look much better than he did last year.

d) I'm not even gonna address the Wade trade part.

e) Before a new CBA is done, it's rather pointless to discuss our ability to improve our roster but you have to remember one thing: If there's no MLE, it'll affect every contender, not just the Miami Heat.

[BadMofoPimp]

If there is an Amnesty and Brendan Haywood is cut, then that is a guy that may accept the minimum to play with Miami as he will also get $10 mil from Dallas. A nice defensive center would be a nice addition.

[MartyCONLONNN]

Here's some motherf**king perspective. The Heat have NO ASSETS or FLEXIBILITY to dramatically improve their roster.

First off LOL...

Second of all, you are wrong yet again. On Lebron's play in the post:

Better yet, he scores 1.03 points per post-up, which ranks him 19th in the league.

That’s among all NBA players, not just small forwards or wing players.

For comparison’s sake, Bryant, in an offense built around versatile players who can operate in the post, has 300 post-ups, but he is ranked 39th in the league scoring 0.97 points per possession, while getting to the free-throw line 1.5 percent less. Effectively, for every 100 possessions, James scores six more points than Bryant.

Among other swingmen known for their post-up capabilities, Carmelo Anthony is 51st with .94 PPP in 274 post-ups, Joe Johnson 26th in 202 possessions (1.00 PPP) and Paul Pierce 10th at 1.13 PPP in 120 post-ups.

Just because it's ugly or not smooth or not used as often, does not mean it DOES NOT exist, and it is a work in progress as well. You know what else can be a work in progress? a team in general... a team's chemistry, a team's gameplan and strategy and offensive sets and the players themselves improving. These are all things that can change internally within the team, the same team that's no good to win it according to you although they were good enough to handily take care of the East with Joel at center (a big time sacrifice on the offensive end), a broken Mike Bibby at PG, and hobbled Haslem and Mike Miller (two guys you're underrating here in terms of depth, if they had their bodies and timing right, questions and concerns about depth & bench play become moot). You ask how will they get better? well, that is how, along with considerable veteran free agent interest (min players yes i know but they can still contribute, as we've always seen in the past), and if the MLE sticks around this becomes a definite.


Thirdly, I was stating that Bosh is a PF/C... meaning Center as a secondary position depending on style of play like when they want to play small and run the ball more or when they wanna put Haslem next to him. And aside from that, Bosh is a power forward there's no question about it... perhaps not in the more "traditional" sense of one, but neither is a certain 7 footer named Dirk, hm. And CB is still a top 5 power forward in the league at worst top 10. Move him to small forward, for what exactly? it just makes no sense yo

And also yes, Wade has a history with injuries, but guess what else? he's been relatively injury free for 3 seasons now. it's time to get over that, he's a top 5 and at any given night top 3 player in the league and you're going to trade him cuz he had a freak injury that 4 years ago? On these 3 accounts alone do you sound like someone who's just bitterly throwing things out there without thinking much into it, or just someone who's subscribed to the common hater perspectives

either way the point is they don't have to DRAMATICALLY improve their roster, there's really no need to do that. a couple small moves alone on this team with the min and mle could be considered a dramatic improvements, anything to do with the big 3 is just straight up an overhaul. and is it sound logic to overhaul a finals team in their first year together? I say no...

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Anybody who suggests trading Wade should get a temp ban from this board.

Kidding. Sort of. Not really.

[Chosen01]

Why would Heat trade a proven finals mvp and person who delivered them their first title?And also the main reason LeBron and Bosh are even on the team.

[BadMofoPimp]

Heat would trade Lebron or Bosh before Wade. Isn't it Wade County down there.

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[DWadeno3]

If there is an Amnesty and Brendan Haywood is cut, then that is a guy that may accept the minimum to play with Miami as he will also get $10 mil from Dallas. A nice defensive center would be a nice addition.

MIAMI GETS:

* LeBron James, who signs a 6-year, $110 million contract

CLEVELAND GETS:

* Two first-round picks, that must be used starting in 2013 and ending by 2017
* 2012 second-round pick Miami received from New Orleans
* Future second-round pick Heat acquired from Oklahoma City
* Cleveland can also swap first round picks with the Heat in 2012
* A large trade exception($15 million or so) that the Cavs must use in trades for one calendar year.

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The Toronto Raptors announced Friday they have acquired two first-round draft picks and a trade exception from the Miami Heat in exchange for forward Chris Bosh. The Raptors facilitated a sign-and-trade with Bosh.

The Raptors reacquired their own 2011 first-round pick originally sent to the Heat on February 13, 2009 (trade of Jermaine O’Neal and Jamario Moon for Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks) and Miami’s 2011 first-round draft choice (lottery protected).

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July 12, 2010

Miami Heat traded Forward Michael Beasley to Minnesota Timberwolves for Minnesota’s 2011 second round and 2014 second round picks


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With what assets?

On the hope and prayer of the possibility of an Amnesty Clause, that it would be used on Haywood and that he would surely sign with Miami?

Looks like, for the next four years, they get one 1st ( which will probably be the the back end of the 1st round of the draft) and two 2nds.

How many impact PGs and esp Centers are acquired at the end of the 1st round typically? Within the 2nd round?

Again, the Heat have limited cap space, very few upcoming draft picks, and no young up and coming players on the roster that have any sizable trade value.

What other major assets do they have besides one of their Big Three?

Am I completely wrong in thinking that if you want to acquire more talent to your roster, that you need some combination of draft picks, cap space and young players desirable to other teams as assets?

There will be players willing to take a paycut to join our team. It's normal, it happened to every team, just look at how many decent veterans joined contenders even though they could've made more money elsewhere. We'll be fine, don't worry about us and now go, thanks, bye!