2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[JamesNaismith]

If we fell into 14-18 range I'm looking for Wroten first then Gilchrist.

[Rapsfan07]

Good luck getting Miller in the mid-lotto he's easily gone before #10 at worst. I think he might go top 5 he's that good he's a sure fire thing. Gillchrist and Kobango might be the 2 best talents and fits at the 14-18 range where Davis' value might be. Who knows a team might give us a 12th overall pick or something in that range. I seriously doubt we get a top 10 pick for him.

Umm...Technically #10 IS mid-lotto. However, I do agree with you. Miller is a VERY sure thing. Now the order will all depend on how the lottery falls but there are a lot of good prospects in this draft and if one or two climb the ranks or Miller's ACL injury scares GMs off, I can see him falling to about 6 or 7 but no later. Now I've said this before but I'd easily do Ed + 2013 top 8 protected pick for Miller and I think that's enough value for him...I'd be willing to take that risk for Miller. Though I do like Kabongo and Gilchrist and Gilchrist would be my second option for a SF but I'd only be moving Ed by himself.

If we fell into 14-18 range I'm looking for Wroten first then Gilchrist.

Really? Wow. I don't think so. For me, it'd have to be Gilchrist first. I do like Wroten a lot though and not that scarcity should play too much of a role in who you pick but we desperately need a SF and there are a LOT of PGs in the league. Not to mention we do already have Bayless who could prove to be something. Gilchrist looks so much like Iguodala and being a fan of his, it'd be hard to pass up on a guy like that. He brings so much our team that we currently lack. Wroten looks a bit like Rondo to me which is an extremely good thing so I guess it comes down to preference but I'd be taking Gilchrist. Besides, I think Gilchrist is a lottery pick this year.

[Rapsfan07]

Just thought of this one

TOR out: Bargnani
TOR in: Lopez, Pietrus

PHX out: Pietrus, Lopez
PHX in: Bargnani

Thoughts?

[NH]

Just thought of this one

TOR out: Bargnani
TOR in: Lopez, Pietrus

PHX out: Pietrus, Lopez
PHX in: Bargnani

Thoughts?

Give me Gortat instead of Robin Lopez and we got a deal.

[Laowai]

Just thought of this one

TOR out: Bargnani
TOR in: Lopez, Pietrus

PHX out: Pietrus, Lopez
PHX in: Bargnani

Thoughts?

Why would we want the bad twin when Bargs is equal or better than the good twin???

[witnessraps]

Just thought of this one

TOR out: Bargnani
TOR in: Lopez, Pietrus

PHX out: Pietrus, Lopez
PHX in: Bargnani

Thoughts?

I think the Raps only consider if 2012 1st is attached with minimal protection. Pietrus does fill a need though, and Lopez can be long-term backup C

[Mr Swagtastic]

Good luck getting Miller in the mid-lotto he's easily gone before #10 at worst. I think he might go top 5 he's that good he's a sure fire thing. Gillchrist and Kobango might be the 2 best talents and fits at the 14-18 range where Davis' value might be. Who knows a team might give us a 12th overall pick or something in that range. I seriously doubt we get a top 10 pick for him.

Umm...Technically #10 IS mid-lotto. However, I do agree with you. Miller is a VERY sure thing. Now the order will all depend on how the lottery falls but there are a lot of good prospects in this draft and if one or two climb the ranks or Miller's ACL injury scares GMs off, I can see him falling to about 6 or 7 but no later. Now I've said this before but I'd easily do Ed + 2013 top 8 protected pick for Miller and I think that's enough value for him...I'd be willing to take that risk for Miller. Though I do like Kabongo and Gilchrist and Gilchrist would be my second option for a SF but I'd only be moving Ed by himself.

If we fell into 14-18 range I'm looking for Wroten first then Gilchrist.

Really? Wow. I don't think so. For me, it'd have to be Gilchrist first. I do like Wroten a lot though and not that scarcity should play too much of a role in who you pick but we desperately need a SF and there are a LOT of PGs in the league. Not to mention we do already have Bayless who could prove to be something. Gilchrist looks so much like Iguodala and being a fan of his, it'd be hard to pass up on a guy like that. He brings so much our team that we currently lack. Wroten looks a bit like Rondo to me which is an extremely good thing so I guess it comes down to preference but I'd be taking Gilchrist. Besides, I think Gilchrist is a lottery pick this year.

Well I think Miller offensive potential is going to get a lot of teams in the top 8 interested in him. NJ has a gaping hole at the 3 and so does Detroit, Sacramento, Phoenix and Cleveland. Depending on where they are picking I could see those teams looking at Barnes and Miller if they are not going after Anthony Davis or Drummond. As you said the ACL injury is a huge "red flag" that could scare GM's i.e. Ed Davis' 2010 value where he fell to us or a team risking on drafting a Oden (high reward but a major injury risk).

As for Tony Wroten NBAdraft.net has in 2013's mock not 2012 so unless he going to declare for 2012 by having a monster I could see him forgoing 2012 if he has a good one and is projected to be a mid first round pick and wanting to be a higher pick in 2013. I like Gillchrist if we do get a 2nd pick the guy just screams super sub to me. I mean the great teams have a guy off the bench who can come in and be a game changer LA had a better Odom during their runs, San Antonio has Manu, OKC has Harden and so on and so forth. It's a toss up to see who we might go with I would be thrilled with any 1 of Miller/Barnes/Drummond with our pick and 1 of Gillchrist/Kobango/ Marquis Teague with a traded pick

If we could some how pull of Quincy Miller and Andre Drumonnd with our pick and a Ed Davis + a protected pick in 2013 I would do that in a second could you imagine how scary Toronto could be if they all developed

PG: Bayless/Calderon/
SG: DeRozan/Barbosa/
SF: Miller/Johnson/Klezia
PF: Drummond/Amir/
C: Jonas V/Bargs/Alabi

We still have a hole at the PG a bit and the backups look iffy but with Jose and Barbosa's deals off the books soon there will be money to fix that issue I believe via a trade or a free agent signing

[JamesNaismith]

^That's almost my complete dream scenario going into 2012 season (with the addition of signing Oden)...but I also think if we were to draft Miller, Ed would need to be traded with a top 8 protected at worst. PGs are a bit overrated (ie Derek Fisher or Avery Johnson), I'm pretty confident Bayless would be fine...if not I guess the FA money would be set aside for a better one but I think beefing up the post is more important then PGs.

[Mr Swagtastic]

^That's almost my complete dream scenario going into 2012 season (with the addition of signing Oden)...but I also think if we were to draft Miller, Ed would need to be traded with a top 8 protected at worst. PGs are a bit overrated (ie Derek Fisher or Avery Johnson), I'm pretty confident Bayless would be fine...if not I guess the FA money would be set aside for a better one but I think beefing up the post is more important then PGs.

I didn't mean us signing Oden. I meant a guy like Oden is going to scare teams drafting a really good collage player with a brief history of injuries. If Colangelo signs Oden I would be thrilled but I don't think it would be cheap considering he has a $8 million team option this year that Portland might just take.

I agree if we do draft Miller Ed looks like he would be on the way out I hope we could get Gillchrist or at worst Myck Kobango and hopefully see if a team takes on Calderon or Klezia and Davis for their pick in that range and a expiring deal.

My dream is to get Drummond and Miller but that is a pipe dream right now has like a 10% chance or less of going down

[Rapsfan07]

Just thought of this one

TOR out: Bargnani
TOR in: Lopez, Pietrus

PHX out: Pietrus, Lopez
PHX in: Bargnani

Thoughts?

Why would we want the bad twin when Bargs is equal or better than the good twin???

Because Bargs is owed $42 million over the next 4 years?

Pietrus is obviously not in the long term plan but is a very good stand-in vet to have at the 3 since Johnson is our only able bodied 3 right now and I`d rather BC make this deal than sign a FA 3. We already know how hard Bargs will be to trade because of his a) salary and b) the "uniqueness" of his skillset. As for Lopez, he's coming our way because a) he is a young play at the end of the day b) he's a young CENTER and we'll need someone in the middle once Bargs is traded. He has a QO for next year at appox. 4 mil than can be extended if needs be. That said, the most we could throw in to even out the deal is a lottery protected 2012 pick.

TOR in: Pietrus, Lopex, 2012 top 14-16 protected first round pick
TOR out: Bargnani

PHX in: Bargnani
PHX out: 2012 top 14-16 protected first round pick

Better?

[Rapsfan07]

^That's almost my complete dream scenario going into 2012 season (with the addition of signing Oden)...but I also think if we were to draft Miller, Ed would need to be traded with a top 8 protected at worst. PGs are a bit overrated (ie Derek Fisher or Avery Johnson), I'm pretty confident Bayless would be fine...if not I guess the FA money would be set aside for a better one but I think beefing up the post is more important then PGs.

I didn't mean us signing Oden. I meant a guy like Oden is going to scare teams drafting a really good collage player with a brief history of injuries. If Colangelo signs Oden I would be thrilled but I don't think it would be cheap considering he has a $8 million team option this year that Portland might just take.

I agree if we do draft Miller Ed looks like he would be on the way out I hope we could get Gillchrist or at worst Myck Kobango and hopefully see if a team takes on Calderon or Klezia and Davis for their pick in that range and a expiring deal.

My dream is to get Drummond and Miller but that is a pipe dream right now has like a 10% chance or less of going down

Would love it.....ahhh the beauty and joy of daydreaming though.

I think the best and most realistic package we could expect on draft day is Barnes/Miller/Drummond/Davis (Raps pick), Gilchrist (Ed trade) and Kabongo/Wroten (Bargs trade....hopefully )

[JamesNaismith]

Would love it.....ahhh the beauty and joy of daydreaming though.

I think the best and most realistic package we could expect on draft day is Barnes/Miller/Drummond/Davis (Raps pick), Gilchrist (Ed trade) and Kabongo/Wroten (Bargs trade....hopefully )

Scale that back....our pick is Drummond (best)/Miller (2nd)/Barnes (3rd) and if we trade Ed we MAY get Wroten, Gilchrist or Kabongo. Bargnani isn't going anywhere on draft day. He's a piece I can only see teams considering in some type of package....that seems more realistic imo.

[Rapsfan07]

Would love it.....ahhh the beauty and joy of daydreaming though.

I think the best and most realistic package we could expect on draft day is Barnes/Miller/Drummond/Davis (Raps pick), Gilchrist (Ed trade) and Kabongo/Wroten (Bargs trade....hopefully )

Scale that back....our pick is Drummond (best)/Miller (2nd)/Barnes (3rd) and if we trade Ed we MAY get Wroten, Gilchrist or Kabongo. Bargnani isn't going anywhere on draft day. He's a piece I can only see teams considering in some type of package....that seems more realistic imo.

I agree. Though I wasn't suggesting Bargs be moved on draft day...hopefully he'd be gone before then. I proposed a trade earlier that I think is quite feesable for both parties involved.

EDIT: I'd also suggest that in terms of potential and type of player Gilchrist will become vs Ed Davis, I think it's about the same. It's that Gilchrist or Kabongo for example will serve us in a position of need. So hypothetically if Bargnani were dealt for that package or something similar and we get a solid deal for Barbosa, we should have the pieces to put together a good deal.

[WhatsaTDot]

We're getting a bit ahead of ourselves here though. Firstly, none of these so called freshman studs have played a minute yet and secondly, there's no guarantee they're all going to declare so the depth of this draft is far from being a done deal.

[Laowai]

Just thought of this one

TOR out: Bargnani
TOR in: Lopez, Pietrus

PHX out: Pietrus, Lopez
PHX in: Bargnani

Thoughts?

Why would we want the bad twin when Bargs is equal or better than the good twin???

Because Bargs is owed $42 million over the next 4 years?

Pietrus is obviously not in the long term plan but is a very good stand-in vet to have at the 3 since Johnson is our only able bodied 3 right now and I`d rather BC make this deal than sign a FA 3. We already know how hard Bargs will be to trade because of his a) salary and b) the "uniqueness" of his skillset. As for Lopez, he's coming our way because a) he is a young play at the end of the day b) he's a young CENTER and we'll need someone in the middle once Bargs is traded. He has a QO for next year at appox. 4 mil than can be extended if needs be. That said, the most we could throw in to even out the deal is a lottery protected 2012 pick.

TOR in: Pietrus, Lopex, 2012 top 14-16 protected first round pick
TOR out: Bargnani

PHX in: Bargnani
PHX out: 2012 top 14-16 protected first round pick

Better?

Top 12 protected a deal but unlikely they would also need to move Frye

[Kenyon009]

This is a decent deal. I'd take it if it came with a pick of course. This team should stack up on more big guys that can swat shots in the paint and make rotations. The only way the Raptors will be able to defend teams with guys like Wade and Rose are if they can play great team defense because in this day in age perimeter players are really favored for. Lopez would make for a good back up center for the next decade pending whether he could be tied up to a good deal for this team.

[witnessraps]

Andrea Bargnani and 2012 1st lottery protected for Danny Granger. Try to recruit Tyson Chandler.

Jerryd Bayless/Jose Calderon
DeMar DeRozan/Leandro Barbosa
Danny Granger/James Johnson
Ed Davis/Amir Johnson
Tyson Chandler/Reggie Evans/Jonas V in 2012

Seems like a bandaid move as most want a star SF in next year's draft. But this is no guarantee, and Granger is a sure-fire top 5-8 SF in the league and is still fairly young.

I think if the coach is as advertised, this team could be a threat in the East soon. I would be willing to lower the protection on the pick a little bit if necessary. If Bargnani is a no-go for them, I would be willing to discuss Amir or Ed if that would interest them.

[Rapsfan07]

I think that's as good a deal as you can get for Bargs and I'd pull the trigger in a heartbeat if that crossed my desk. A good (hopefully) long-term back up solution at C and he's still young, a sizable expiring at SF which we desperately need and perhaps a lottery protected 1st is really, really good return.

Andrea Bargnani and 2012 1st lottery protected for Danny Granger. Try to recruit Tyson Chandler.

Jerryd Bayless/Jose Calderon
DeMar DeRozan/Leandro Barbosa
Danny Granger/James Johnson
Ed Davis/Amir Johnson
Tyson Chandler/Reggie Evans/Jonas V in 2012

Seems like a bandaid move as most want a star SF in next year's draft. But this is no guarantee, and Granger is a sure-fire top 5-8 SF in the league and is still fairly young.

I think if the coach is as advertised, this team could be a threat in the East soon. I would be willing to lower the protection on the pick a little bit if necessary. If Bargnani is a no-go for them, I would be willing to discuss Amir or Ed if that would interest them.

It's a very good return for us on Bargs but I don't see the incentive in it for Indiana. My guess is they decline.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Andrea Bargnani and 2012 1st lottery protected for Danny Granger. Try to recruit Tyson Chandler.

Jerryd Bayless/Jose Calderon
DeMar DeRozan/Leandro Barbosa
Danny Granger/James Johnson
Ed Davis/Amir Johnson
Tyson Chandler/Reggie Evans/Jonas V in 2012

Seems like a bandaid move as most want a star SF in next year's draft. But this is no guarantee, and Granger is a sure-fire top 5-8 SF in the league and is still fairly young.

I think if the coach is as advertised, this team could be a threat in the East soon. I would be willing to lower the protection on the pick a little bit if necessary. If Bargnani is a no-go for them, I would be willing to discuss Amir or Ed if that would interest them.

That is a band-aid solution on a long term infection that is known as the SF problem. I would rather go and tank this year for a legit stud in Drummond/Barnes/Miller and see where that takes us. That team is at best a 5th seed or 4th in the East then what? We get smashed by Chicago, Miami, Dallas (if we reach the NBA finals) or some other Western team. It's not worth it at all, Granger is a really good SF but he's also going to a good amount of money and like I said I doubt he is "that guy" who can help us get to where we need to be.

Indy wouldn't trade Granger for Bargs and a protected pick anyways

[JamesNaismith]

Ewwww no thanks.....I'll pass on all band-aid solutions.


Granger and Chandler put us right back in the middle of pack and set this franchise back another 5+ years; just a terrible idea. I rather us see how good this (in all likelyhood) young SF from the draft becomes with the hopes he can develop into a TRUE franchise player becomes. Then develop the young core over another year, get another solid pick then start bringing in some key veteran pieces...

Until then I'm much happier with trading for later picks + expirings and bringing some cheaper veterans that are more at a stage of their careers that they are educating the younger guys of how to play the game then ones who are making a push to make the playoffs and prove their worth; as in guys who are above average but aren't truly great but feel the need to prove their worth (as a Iggy, Granger, etc would do)