2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[eitanr]

The Raps could also go for a completely different scenario: go for the gusto hoping Davis and DeRozan improve AND Val is a nice piece next year:

Sign Marc Gasol to long term contract

Bargnani to ORL for Nelson + 2012 1st
Calderon, Barbosa + ORL 1st to Philly for Iggy and Noc

The only issue with the above is the likelihood and cost of landing that big time center like Gasol, but what you're left with could surprise some folks if players improve accordingly.
PF E. Davis/ A. Johnson
SF A. Iguodala/ J. Johnson/ A. Noccioni
C M. Gasol/ S. Alibi
SG D. DeRozan/FA
PG J. Nelson/ J. Bayless

[Twoism]

The Raps could also go for a completely different scenario: go for the gusto hoping Davis and DeRozan improve AND Val is a nice piece next year:

Sign Marc Gasol to long term contract

Bargnani to ORL for Nelson + 2012 1st
Calderon, Barbosa + ORL 1st to Philly for Iggy and Noc

The only issue with the above is the likelihood and cost of landing that big time center like Gasol, but what you're left with could surprise some folks if players improve accordingly.
PF E. Davis/ A. Johnson
SF A. Iguodala/ J. Johnson/ A. Noccioni
C M. Gasol/ S. Alibi
SG D. DeRozan/FA
PG J. Nelson/ J. Bayless

I don't think Philly agrees this trade.

Anyway, who shoot 3s? I mean 3s not from the dribble.

Alibi? Noccioni? LOL

[Mr Swagtastic]

Ewwww no thanks.....I'll pass on all band-aid solutions.


Granger and Chandler put us right back in the middle of pack and set this franchise back another 5+ years; just a terrible idea. I rather us see how good this (in all likelyhood) young SF from the draft becomes with the hopes he can develop into a TRUE franchise player becomes. Then develop the young core over another year, get another solid pick then start bringing in some key veteran pieces...

Until then I'm much happier with trading for later picks + expirings and bringing some cheaper veterans that are more at a stage of their careers that they are educating the younger guys of how to play the game then ones who are making a push to make the playoffs and prove their worth; as in guys who are above average but aren't truly great but feel the need to prove their worth (as a Iggy, Granger, etc would do)

This times infinty. I mean why would Toronto a young team with some good core pieces (Amir/Bayless/Davis/DeRozan/Jonas V/2012 first) make a play for some vets that put us back 3+ years? We have seen it done with Bosh i.e. our expiring deals Rasho, Ford + our 17th overall pick (Hibbert) for Jermaine O'Neal only to flip him with another pick (thankfully we got back) for Marion. I am all for signing a Tyson Chandler as a free agent or hopefully making a sign and trade deal without touching the above core but as far as then making a band-aid move for Granger or Iggy it's a easy pass. Toronto isn't that deep/good to make a strong playoff push so it would be a wasted effort

[witnessraps]

We never got a player as good as Granger or Iggy to play with Bosh. Jermaine O'neal? Gimme a break. Guy was injured all the time, and he always got injured when he just started playing well. Iggy and Granger are younger than JO was and not nearly as injury prone. There are about 5 or 6 projected stud small forwards for the next draft. Chances are about 1 or 2 of them will be a bust, and then we're relying on our sucking ability to get one of the other four which is not guaranteed. Granger or Iggy is not a bandaid solution...these guys are in their prime. A wing tandem of DeRozan and Granger is pretty much just filthy, I'm quite surprised you guys are so fast to say no. And James, Chandler was just the starting center for the Mavs, and it was very noticeable that they would not have won without him.

[Indeed]

We never got a player as good as Granger or Iggy to play with Bosh. Jermaine O'neal? Gimme a break. Guy was injured all the time, and he always got injured when he just started playing well. Iggy and Granger are younger than JO was and not nearly as injury prone. There are about 5 or 6 projected stud small forwards for the next draft. Chances are about 1 or 2 of them will be a bust, and then we're relying on our sucking ability to get one of the other four which is not guaranteed. Granger or Iggy is not a bandaid solution...these guys are in their prime. A wing tandem of DeRozan and Granger is pretty much just filthy, I'm quite surprised you guys are so fast to say no. And James, Chandler was just the starting center for the Mavs, and it was very noticeable that they would not have won without him.

Wade, Kobe and LeBron need another good player to get them into the playoffs?

[Rapsfan07]

We never got a player as good as Granger or Iggy to play with Bosh. Jermaine O'neal? Gimme a break. Guy was injured all the time, and he always got injured when he just started playing well. Iggy and Granger are younger than JO was and not nearly as injury prone. There are about 5 or 6 projected stud small forwards for the next draft. Chances are about 1 or 2 of them will be a bust, and then we're relying on our sucking ability to get one of the other four which is not guaranteed. Granger or Iggy is not a bandaid solution...these guys are in their prime. A wing tandem of DeRozan and Granger is pretty much just filthy, I'm quite surprised you guys are so fast to say no. And James, Chandler was just the starting center for the Mavs, and it was very noticeable that they would not have won without him.

I'd say no to this deal because our team is not at a place where we could make a meaningful run.

Sure Iggy and Granger are in their primes but they are arguably the best player on their current respective teams and their teams aren't going anywhere. Don't get me wrong, I like both those players but these guys are the type of people you pair with another star or another key player and the truth is...we don't have one of those on our squad right now. We don't have ONE sure thing on this team. Sure we got a tonne of bright spots (Bayless, DD, Ed, Jonas, Johnson x 2) but we don't have a star right now so we'd essentially be bringing in 2 guys and spending money to be a second round exit when we can just keep the payroll and draft a main guy first. If Bosh were still here, I'd love to add Iggy but he isn't. Plus we don't need Granger and Chandler to come in here and mess up our chances at a SF that could very well be better than Granger. So I'd have to say no to this.

All that plus I don't think Bargnani will bring in that kind of value. We all want to win but I would much rather take our time and rebuild properly and organically before we start making moves like these.

[witnessraps]

We never got a player as good as Granger or Iggy to play with Bosh. Jermaine O'neal? Gimme a break. Guy was injured all the time, and he always got injured when he just started playing well. Iggy and Granger are younger than JO was and not nearly as injury prone. There are about 5 or 6 projected stud small forwards for the next draft. Chances are about 1 or 2 of them will be a bust, and then we're relying on our sucking ability to get one of the other four which is not guaranteed. Granger or Iggy is not a bandaid solution...these guys are in their prime. A wing tandem of DeRozan and Granger is pretty much just filthy, I'm quite surprised you guys are so fast to say no. And James, Chandler was just the starting center for the Mavs, and it was very noticeable that they would not have won without him.

I'd say no to this deal because our team is not at a place where we could make a meaningful run.

Sure Iggy and Granger are in their primes but they are arguably the best player on their current respective teams and their teams aren't going anywhere. Don't get me wrong, I like both those players but these guys are the type of people you pair with another star or another key player and the truth is...we don't have one of those on our squad right now. We don't have ONE sure thing on this team. Sure we got a tonne of bright spots (Bayless, DD, Ed, Jonas, Johnson x 2) but we don't have a star right now so we'd essentially be bringing in 2 guys and spending money to be a second round exit when we can just keep the payroll and draft a main guy first. If Bosh were still here, I'd love to add Iggy but he isn't. Plus we don't need Granger and Chandler to come in here and mess up our chances at a SF that could very well be better than Granger. So I'd have to say no to this.

All that plus I don't think Bargnani will bring in that kind of value. We all want to win but I would much rather take our time and rebuild properly and organically before we start making moves like these.

Maybe Bargnani won't, but as I wrote in my original post I'd be willing to offer Ed for example. That's not the important thing though, you guys don't seem to think Granger would fit in on our team. I see it this way. DeMar averaged 20 ppg after the allstar break, and it's obvious he hasn't reached his ceiling yet. He's bound to be at the minimum a 20 point scorer with an all around game, and his maximum could be better. Then you put Granger beside him, and you have a guy who has averaged 23.5 ppg over the last three season, and had an amazing 25.8 ppg in his best year. That is amazing, and he averages about 5 rebounds per game. I mean it's understandable that the Pacers may not be interested in a deal centered around Bargs or Ed or Amir, but I just don't agree that we're still on the "treadmill" when you add a guy like Granger, let alone a guy like Tyson Chandler. But ok, I'll stop playing devil's advocate and stick to the plan. We're tanking our way to a top 5 pick, and then we'll make our moves after next year's draft;)

[JamesNaismith]

DeMar averaged 20 ppg after the allstar break, and it's obvious he hasn't reached his ceiling yet. He's bound to be at the minimum a 20 point scorer with an all around game, and his maximum could be better. Then you put Granger beside him, and you have a guy who has averaged 23.5 ppg over the last three season, and had an amazing 25.8 ppg in his best year. I just don't agree that we're still on the "treadmill" when you add a guy like Granger, let alone a guy like Tyson Chandler.

Your scenario really doesn't sound much more appealing then a combo of Stephen Jackson, Gerald Wallace and Tyson Chandler sounded like a couple years ago (keep in mind that most scoring averages drop when 2 scorers are on the wings sharing touches nvm Bargnani)....where does that combo sound familar? I'll give you a guess but that wasn't one of the top seeds in the East

Maybe you have a different definition of what a "treadmill" is....but being one of the 6-8 seeds with no real potential to go further as they've used up most of their payroll on above average (not great) talent and are consistently knocked out of the Playoffs by the top 5 seeds is what I consider to be a treamill team and that's exactly what this team would be.

That would likely continue for 3-4 years then guess where we are right back to??? Rebuilding so this would be a what? Band Aid Solution......so again NO THANKS

[bballsparkin]

I agree with those not interested in any trade that doesn't lead to a high pick in 2012. Which is where the Raptors are seemingly bound to wind up. Unless the trade is a clear winning proposition. It looks like the Raptors are positioned nicely to put together a good young balanced core. Maybe even a legit franchise player. Who cares if it's largely due to incompetence. Plus a Raptors 2012 lottery protected pick is going to be a hard sell to other teams. Especially assuming that the 2013 will be protected as well.

[Rapsfan07]

I agree with those not interested in any trade that doesn't lead to a high pick in 2012. Which is where the Raptors are seemingly bound to wind up. Unless the trade is a clear winning proposition. It looks like the Raptors are positioned nicely to put together a good young balanced core. Maybe even a legit franchise player. Who cares if it's largely due to incompetence. Plus a Raptors 2012 lottery protected pick is going to be a hard sell to other teams. Especially assuming that the 2013 will be protected as well.

Agreed. I know there are many posters and fans who want to win right now but in all honesty, it wouln't make sense for us right now to be taking on guys like Iggy or Granger. Believe me, I'd be all for it if Bosh were still here because then we could really be good players in the Playoffs but it doesn't make sens to build your team into a Indiana or Philly or something like that because then not only is your payroll preventing you from getting better but you're also drafting at the back end of the draft and unless you get VERY lucky and one of your later picks (15+) are really really good, then we've locked ourselves into mediocrity for another 4 years or so. We need to be patient and build properly and spend wisely.

The good news is that depending on how this season goes (whether or not there's a season) we could be in a REALLY good position. Granted that the age restriction on draftees doesn't change and everybody declares, we will have a pick in a star-studded draft. This means that the franchise FINALLY has another cornerstone (or two ) and we cam start putting pieces together. This draft could be the most important in franchise history.

I posted this before but we should be doing trades like these:

1)Bargs to PHX for Lopez, Pietrus & maybe a PHX lotto-protected 2012 1st
2)Barbosa to CHI for Korver & CHI 2012 1st

Keep the payroll manageable while acquiring assets and young players to evaluate. Bring in some vets to help out the young guys and be locker room leaders. Aiming for the future but still putting an interesting product on the floor. Key here is keeping the payroll low because you'll need the money to build around your star.

[Twoism]

Bargnani + Calderon for Rashard Lewis + 1st pick 2012

Wizards doesn't need another star, they need the only one player that actually miss: Shooting Big Man. Is a trade that can sounds scandalous for Wizards, but on the court can really works. A gamble for sure.

We'll do shameless tanking praying for another KD.

TOR
Kabongo/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa or free agent/Weems*
Miller/JJ/Lewis
Davis/AJ
Valanciunas/low cost free agent

WAS
Wall/Calderon
Young/Crawford
Vesely/Singleton
Bargnani/Blatche
McGee /Seraphin

Bank for two.

*: Sonny found a good girl in Lithuania and wants to come back to live in Toronto, he plays calm and become a good rotation player

[Rapsfan07]

Bargnani + Calderon for Rashard Lewis + 1st pick 2012

Wizards doesn't need another star, they need the only one player that actually miss: Shooting Big Man. Is a trade that can sounds scandalous for Wizards, but on the court can really works. A gamble for sure.

We'll do shameless tanking praying for another KD.

TOR
Kabongo/Bayless
DeRozan/Barbosa or free agent/Weems*
Miller/JJ/Lewis
Davis/AJ
Valanciunas/low cost free agent

WAS
Wall/Calderon
Young/Crawford
Vesely/Singleton
Bargnani/Blatche
McGee /Seraphin

Bank for two.

*: Sonny found a good girl in Lithuania and wants to come back to live in Toronto, he plays calm and become a good rotation player

If the pick was unprotected or Top 5 protected, I'd do this. I don't think the Wizards do it without a much more protected pick (in which case, it wouldn't be worth it for us since the pick likely wouldn't be conveyed for a while) because the Wizard are taking on a lot more salary.

[witnessraps]

I would definitely do that trade. However the Wizards are young like the Raptors with not much salary, and they can probably add better players then Bargnani and Calderon over the next few years with the 2012 pick and cap space. Bargs and Calderon are still pretty good players who can fit in well somewhere, so it depends if Washington sees them as good fits. Calderon doesn't have too much left on his contract, and he would be a perfect mentor for Wall. Wall already has excellent court vision, if he can pick up some of Jose's efficient game into that freak athletic body of his watch out. Bargnani could be a legit offensive option for them, with Mcgee protecting the paint. Still think WAS says no.

[JamesNaismith]

That's tough one cuz yes Washington gets rid of Lewi's disgusting contract BUT I think they will have a helluva hard time letting go of a pick that might net them Barnes, Miller or even Davis

Wall
Young
Miller/Barnes
Vessely
McGee

That's pretty damn nice!

Wall
Young
Vessely
ADavis
McGee

I probably hold off and use that huge cap space when Lewis comes off the books.

[S.W.A.N]

I actually don't mind the idea of trading for granger. He is an excellent small forward, but I would not give up the 2012 pick to get him.

Granger would certainly make our team better and could form the nucleus of a contending team with Derozan,Ed and Val

But for the long term potential of the team you simply cannot trade the 2012 pick. Very few years come along where you can look at the top 7 or so guys and say wow they are top pick quality, and this draft seems to be one of them.

Now if you could make a scenario where you got Granger for Bargnani and a 2013 draft pick I would be all over that trade.

[JamesNaismith]

I would only really want that trade for Granger if we won the draft and got Drummond.


If not I might be alone on this but I would draft Miller and flip Bargnani for Kaman if the Clips were down.

[baulderdash77]

This is how I feel. Granger would be a great addition to the team. He's already at the level (25/5 players don't grow on trees) that a top draft pick would get you. I really think a team centered on DD, Val & Granger is a good nucleus going forward. But I wouldn't trade the 2012 pick without some kind of heavy protection- i.e. Top 10

I actually don't mind the idea of trading for granger. He is an excellent small forward, but I would not give up the 2012 pick to get him.

Granger would certainly make our team better and could form the nucleus of a contending team with Derozan,Ed and Val

But for the long term potential of the team you simply cannot trade the 2012 pick. Very few years come along where you can look at the top 7 or so guys and say wow they are top pick quality, and this draft seems to be one of them.

Now if you could make a scenario where you got Granger for Bargnani and a 2013 draft pick I would be all over that trade.

[NH]

Not sure if Granger is available for trade anymore... want to keep our eye out for the Rudy Gay situation down in Memphis...

[Silk Wilkes]

Not sure if Granger is available for trade anymore... want to keep our eye out for the Rudy Gay situation down in Memphis...

If it were a toss-up between Rudy and Danny I take Rudy 9/10 times.

[NH]

Lets say Rudy is available (due to Memphis deciding they want to keep Marc Gasol bad), I will throw any of our players not named Demar for Rudy