2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[Silk Wilkes]

Lets say Rudy is available (due to Memphis deciding they want to keep Marc Gasol bad), I will throw any of our players not named Demar for Rudy

Agreed. The thought of DeMar and Rudy at the wings is mess myself worthy. They could not compliment each other any better. We would need shot blocking behind them, but I think that could be handled. It's all fantasy though.

[Rapsfan07]

I dunno. I'm more of the organic growth school of thinking although I REALLY like Rudy Gay. I think we don't have the pieces do even make the run the Memphis made. Most of their offense was from 2 very good bigs and we lack forces or even players that have potential to be that force so I don't know if it would make sense from our perspective. And less more so when you think about the run the Memphis made while Rudy was sitting makes me think... is he that guy that's going to take us where we need to go? I'm not sure. He's definitely up there on my list of favorite players though and would be an awesome fit on the Bulls if they could flip Boozer for a cheaper PF.

[gerrit4]

I actually don't mind the idea of trading for granger. He is an excellent small forward, but I would not give up the 2012 pick to get him.

Granger would certainly make our team better and could form the nucleus of a contending team with Derozan,Ed and Val

But for the long term potential of the team you simply cannot trade the 2012 pick. Very few years come along where you can look at the top 7 or so guys and say wow they are top pick quality, and this draft seems to be one of them.

Now if you could make a scenario where you got Granger for Bargnani and a 2013 draft pick I would be all over that trade.

It would be a tough dilemma. I think Granger is worth the 2012 pick, but it's such an enticing draft (assuming everyone declares) that we could get a player who could transform the franchise. It's obvious that we need a top 20 player in order to attract talent and have a team that is good every year. This year's draft has a lot of guys who could be that good.

[JamesNaismith]

Not sure if Granger is available for trade anymore... want to keep our eye out for the Rudy Gay situation down in Memphis...

That would just be insane if we landed Drummond and somehow got Gay for a package with Bargnani lmao...I definitely do NOT see that happening but daaaamn the thought especially if we flipped Ed for Wroten/Kabongo straight up.

Wroten/Kabongo
DeMar
Gay
Drummond
Valanciunas

I mainly like the trade cuz we get a really good player for Bargnani but with my obvious bias for QMiller, I still think the greatest dream scenario for me is getting him and Drummond. I just think Miller has the swagger and ability to be a true franchise player if he reaches his potential. Even though the line up above sounds really talented I don't see who's the leader there really.

[Rapsfan07]

I agree^^^

The above lineup sounds amazing but lacks a leader. I still like the idea of trading Bargs for Pietrus, Lopez and a 2012 lotto-protected 1st. We get a pick for the future, a SF we need to share minutes with Johnson and a guy who can be re-signed to a reasonable deal and be our back up C for the next decade. I'd say that's pretty realistic value for Bargs and a deal that's more about the future.

Obviously I'd rather have Granger or Gay but I doubt either of those would ever happen. Either way, one of Davis and Amir gotta be moved and I think it's gonna be Davis since he has the higher value.

[witnessraps]

Either way, one of Davis and Amir gotta be moved and I think it's gonna be Davis since he has the higher value.

What is your reasoning behind this?

They are both above average defenders, arguably the best 2 defenders on our team, and they score efficiently. I believe with Dwyane Casey, the 2 together will make quite the force. If Val resembles their game, than you have 3 guys who will give you good 2-way play, with Val being a 7 footer. If I'm the GM, I would look at every single Bargnani scenario before considering Amir or Ed. Amir is locked up on what I believe to be a winning contract for us despite the mumblings that he's on a bad contract, and Ed's got several more years of rookie contract. I think we should see what pieces we can acquire via 2012 draft/Bargnani/FA before considering moving Amir or Ed.

[Rapsfan07]

Either way, one of Davis and Amir gotta be moved and I think it's gonna be Davis since he has the higher value.

What is your reasoning behind this?

They are both above average defenders, arguably the best 2 defenders on our team, and they score efficiently. I believe with Dwyane Casey, the 2 together will make quite the force. If Val resembles their game, than you have 3 guys who will give you good 2-way play, with Val being a 7 footer. If I'm the GM, I would look at every single Bargnani scenario before considering Amir or Ed. Amir is locked up on what I believe to be a winning contract for us despite the mumblings that he's on a bad contract, and Ed's got several more years of rookie contract. I think we should see what pieces we can acquire via 2012 draft/Bargnani/FA before considering moving Amir or Ed.

I agree. I'd rather have Bargs moved first but Ed brings more value than Bargs and Amir. If we do draft Drummond, that would be a huge big rotation with not enough mins for everyone so someone would have to go.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Lets say Rudy is available (due to Memphis deciding they want to keep Marc Gasol bad), I will throw any of our players not named Demar for Rudy

So you would give up Jonas V for Rudy Gay? Obviously we would have to add like $13 million more in salary just to make it work. Rudy is going to be paid for the next 4+ years at a average of $16+ million a year and has a massive $19 million player option in 2014/2015. He would be a good fit if we had a defensive anchor type C and just missing him from being a true contender but were far from that at this point and time. There are some serious holes that need to be fixed here, I still say we have to address the SF problem with our own talent i.e. the draft I think Barnes/Miller are easily the clear choices most of us want in term of that SF.

Guys like Rudy Gay/Granger/Igoudala are great complement pieces i.e. when we had Bosh but not so much now with the rebuild phase going on now.

I would however try to get a Iggy/Granger/Gay if we got Drummond with the #1 overall pick. If were picking in the 3-8 range I would look for Barnes/Miller first and call it a day

[NH]

Lets say Rudy is available (due to Memphis deciding they want to keep Marc Gasol bad), I will throw any of our players not named Demar for Rudy

So you would give up Jonas V for Rudy Gay? Obviously we would have to add like $13 million more in salary just to make it work. Rudy is going to be paid for the next 4+ years at a average of $16+ million a year and has a massive $19 million player option in 2014/2015. He would be a good fit if we had a defensive anchor type C and just missing him from being a true contender but were far from that at this point and time. There are some serious holes that need to be fixed here, I still say we have to address the SF problem with our own talent i.e. the draft I think Barnes/Miller are easily the clear choices most of us want in term of that SF.

Guys like Rudy Gay/Granger/Igoudala are great complement pieces i.e. when we had Bosh but not so much now with the rebuild phase going on now.

I would however try to get a Iggy/Granger/Gay if we got Drummond with the #1 overall pick. If were picking in the 3-8 range I would look for Barnes/Miller first and call it a day

Sorry, I do not consider Jonas Val as part of the team yet. No, I do not want to trade Jonas, but Memphis can have Barbosa, Ed Davis, and Linas K for Rudy Gay (they probably wont' do it).

[Mr Swagtastic]

Well obviously I would do the Davis/Barbs/Linas K deal if I were Toronto. I mean who wouldn't really? The point I was trying to make is Toronto shouldn't be going after this high priced SF targets like Gay/Granger/Iggy if they don't have Drummond on board yet.

[JamesNaismith]

Well obviously I would do the Davis/Barbs/Linas K deal if I were Toronto. I mean who wouldn't really? The point I was trying to make is Toronto shouldn't be going after this high priced SF targets like Gay/Granger/Iggy if they don't have Drummond on board yet.

+1 to this and that I doubt Memphis even bats an eye over that deal.

[Rapsfan07]

Well obviously I would do the Davis/Barbs/Linas K deal if I were Toronto. I mean who wouldn't really? The point I was trying to make is Toronto shouldn't be going after this high priced SF targets like Gay/Granger/Iggy if they don't have Drummond on board yet.

+1 to this and that I doubt Memphis even bats an eye over that deal.

I agree. Memphis wouldn't deal him for a top 5 pick so I don't see why they'd do this deal. I like Gay a lot but he is quite expensive and I wouldn't be adding him until I know for sure what we have in Jonas and Drummond. I'm all about organic growth for now. We don't need to add salary right now.

[UcanUwill]

It is actually a decent and possible trade. Barbo and Kleiza aren't valuable pieces for Toronto, but they are great bench players and would add deep for Memphis, while Davis = lottery pick. Memphis has Shane and proved they don't need Gay that much.

[JamesNaismith]

It is actually a decent and possible trade. Barbo and Kleiza aren't valuable pieces for Toronto, but they are great bench players and would add deep for Memphis, while Davis = lottery pick. Memphis has Shane and proved they don't need Gay that much.

Not sure how true that is.

1. Barbosa's contract expires next season so then they lose a good role player (ala Terry & Jamal)
2. Kleiza just had a major injury and was pretty lackluster prior; he might be one of the most unappealing acquasitions in the league.
3. Davis is the best piece and yes he would make an excellent back up BUT that would be to Randolph who's easily going to get the lion's share of minutes....so what good is the best piece you receive being a back up to arguebly your franchise player?!?!?
4. Shane's not getting any younger.

[witnessraps]

5. When things got tight against OKC, Zack and Mark couldn't carry them like they did all playoffs and they could've used another guy to create some offense in the half-court and Rudy's that guy.

With Memphis being contenders now I don't really see them trading Rudy.

[Mr Swagtastic]

It is actually a decent and possible trade. Barbo and Kleiza aren't valuable pieces for Toronto, but they are great bench players and would add deep for Memphis, while Davis = lottery pick. Memphis has Shane and proved they don't need Gay that much.

Not sure how true that is.

1. Barbosa's contract expires next season so then they lose a good role player (ala Terry & Jamal)
2. Kleiza just had a major injury and was pretty lackluster prior; he might be one of the most unappealing acquasitions in the league.
3. Davis is the best piece and yes he would make an excellent back up BUT that would be to Randolph who's easily going to get the lion's share of minutes....so what good is the best piece you receive being a back up to arguebly your franchise player?!?!?
4. Shane's not getting any younger.

5. When things got tight against OKC, Zack and Mark couldn't carry them like they did all playoffs and they could've used another guy to create some offense in the half-court and Rudy's that guy.

With Memphis being contenders now I don't really see them trading Rudy.

Quoted both for truth. Rudy Gay is overpaid no doubting that when he hit his $20 million a year pay day. However he's a very good two way player who like witnessraps said would have been that guy to take heat off Z-Bo and Marc and push them possibly over the hump.

I doubt that Memphis wants to break their team up now for a 3rd string SG as Barbs would be cause he's not better then Tony Allen or OJ Mayo and Klezia is a waste of $3 million per year. While Davis is nice he's not on Rudy's level in terms of value to Memphis. They easily pass on that deal we should look else where for a SF if we draft Drummond whom I don't know

[endo]

The more I think about it the more I think the Raps should just sit pat and tank another season.

The only deal I'd consider is a Barbosa and Klieza for Pachuilla and Williams deal.

Then pray to god Toronto wins next years draft lottery, and also trades Ed Davis for Mych Kobango.

2012-2013 Toront Raptors
c-Andrea Bargnani
pf-Andre Drummond
sf-James Johnson
sg-Demar Derozan
pg-Jerrard Bayless
c-Jonas Valiuncius
pf-Amir Johnson
sf-Marvin Williams
sg-Sonny Weems
pg-Myck Kabongo
g- Jose Calderon
p-Zaza Pachulia

[Mr Swagtastic]

endo your team is a bit flawed. I like Myck Kobango here and I am a huge bandwagoner to get him here but at the same time I wouldn't trade Ed Davis for him with that team. I mean are we really that team to beat? Were rebuilt but not good enough to beat Chicago and Miami in the East. We would need to fix some holes. I think Bargs would be gone if were drafting Drummond. I mean why purpose would he serve? A average Backup C? To me Marvin also isn't the answer at the 3 I would love Drummond here in TO and then see what SF we could nab with our pick in 2013 + Ed Davis.

Then wait till Jose is a expiring and try to move him for something we need

[Thelonious]

Does our TPE get extended because of the lockout?

[bboyskinnylegs]

Does our TPE get extended because of the lockout?

we don't know yet