2011/2012 offseason thread: Update pg 61 Fielder to Detroit

skitch815 · Post #21 » by **skitch815** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:15 am

humanrefutation wrote:You know, I'd be more bummed about Prince leaving if he didn't carry himself like he wasn't going to be re-signing for the last few years. I get it, but the vibe was off-putting.

I get this opinion but don't you think it would have been worse if he gave the "I want to retire as a Brewer" act and then ended up leaving? I just think its lose/lose either way.

Aaron It Out · Post #22 » by **Aaron It Out** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:37 am

skitch815 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:You know, I'd be more bummed about Prince leaving if he didn't carry himself like he wasn't going to be re-signing for the last few years. I get it, but the vibe was off-putting.

I get this opinion but don't you think it would have been worse if he gave the "I want to retire as a Brewer" act and then ended up leaving? I just think its lose/lose either way.

TBH I thought Prince handled the situation about as well as he could. Other than one instance, he never spoke about his plans for free agency which is fine by me. Other than a couple times where we analyzed his body language in the dugout, I really don't feel he carried himself in that manner.

Post #23 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 12:54 pm

humanrefutation wrote:You know, I'd be more bummed about Prince leaving if he didn't carry himself like he wasn't going to be re-signing for the last few years. I get it, but the vibe was off-putting.

MLB and the NBA really suck compared to the NFL as it relates to free agency and keeping your star players. It was sort of a big waste of emotional energy having to always worry about keeping Prince (LeBron) the last number of seasons.

Where is there a good breakdown of the Brewers contract situation for next year?

chuckleslove · Post #24 » by **chuckleslove** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 4:53 pm

I want Hart moved to first, he has clearly lost quite a bit of speed over the last few years and being 6'6" is a pretty decent attribute for a 1st baseman, he is a very streaky hitter but when you put his numbers over a full season he had a pretty good year offensively and with his recent contract extension he clearly isn't going anywhere.

I want at minimum a platoon of Green and McGehee at 3rd, I would love McGehee gone but he will be cheap so I can't see us not keeping him via arbitration.

Would be awesome to get Reyes to replace Betancourt and that would definitely soften some of the blow of losing Fielder.

I would keep the platoon of Gomez/Morgan in center.

That would just leave us with dealing with right field, I don't know what the best option is for that of our prospects, if Gamel can handle it he might be the best option, I don't see any way that he is worse defensively than Hart this year who just always felt slow and misplayed quite a few balls that went over his head.

Then we definitely need to figure out the bullpen, hopefully some decent young arms from the minors rather than wasting money on guys. Axford is money at the back end but beyond that we have some big question marks with K-Rod, Saito and Hawkins all likely gone.

Post #25 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:00 pm

And...this depressed me.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/st ... me-brewers

jimmybones · Post #26 » by **jimmybones** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:18 pm

It's a strange situation with Marcum because you need starting pitching depth to get through 162 and make the postseason in the first place. And he's certainly good enough to be one of five in that setting. But the way he pooped the bed makes me concerned about him in the playoffs.

Post #27 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:20 pm

Aaron It Out wrote:
skitch815 wrote:
humanrefutation wrote:You know, I'd be more bummed about Prince leaving if he didn't carry himself like he wasn't going to be re-signing for the last few years. I get it, but the vibe was off-putting.

I get this opinion but don't you think it would have been worse if he gave the "I want to retire as a Brewer" act and then ended up leaving? I just think its lose/lose either way.

TBH I thought Prince handled the situation about as well as he could. Other than one instance, he never spoke about his plans for free agency which is fine by me. Other than a couple times where we analyzed his body language in the dugout, I really don't feel he carried himself in that manner.

I understand that, but I just wish he displayed more pride in his Brewer-identity. It would have been nice to hear him talk about how much he loved to be a Brewer and displayed some sadness at the thought of leaving. But, I get how he wanted to remain non-committal and relatively silent on the issue of returning. It just felt like he never intended to come back and knew he was out the door after this season, and that bummed me out.

Aaron It Out · Post #28 » by **Aaron It Out** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 5:50 pm

humanrefutation wrote:I understand that, but I just wish he displayed more pride in his Brewer-identity. It would have been nice to hear him talk about how much he loved to be a Brewer and displayed some sadness at the thought of leaving. But, I get how he wanted to remain non-committal and relatively silent on the issue of returning. It just felt like he never intended to come back and knew he was out the door after this season, and that bummed me out.

I get what you mean. But I've always felt that he did love being a Brewer. He's had at least 2-3 years to get over the fact that he's leaving.

BigDee · Post #29 » by **BigDee** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:03 pm

Need better defense and who will replace Fielder at first.

BUCKnation · Post #30 » by **BUCKnation** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 6:57 pm

get rid of yb, and while reyes is a homerun. Id be content with a good/great defensive SS who is decent with the bat.
try our best to keep at least one of saito/hawkins.
Keep hairston

Post #31 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:29 pm

Brewers contracts:

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/0 ... ewers.html

Post #32 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 10:38 pm

Left-handed pitcher Jed Bradley, one of the Milwaukee Brewers' two first-round picks in the June draft, will replace Tyler Thornburg in the Arizona Fall League, the team announced on Monday.

Bradley, who was drafted 15th overall out of Georgia Tech, suffered a groin injury and was replaced by Thornburg on the AFL roster in late September.

The injury was considered minor, though, and obviously the Brewers feel he's well enough to be able to get some work in, which is a good thing considering he didn't play at all in the minor leagues this season after holding out until the 11th hour before signing.

Bradley will join the Peoria Javelinas for their game tonight in Surprise.

Also, outfielder Brandon Boggs has elected to become a free agent.

Boggs hit .158 with two home runs and two RBI in a couple separate early-season stints with the Brewers. He was sent down to Class AAA Nashville for good in late May, and he hit just .241 with nine homers and 38 RBI in 94 games there.

LUKE23 · Post #33 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:13 pm

http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2011/10/a ... ewers.html

Including buyouts for Yuniesky Betancourt and Francisco Rodriguez, the Brewers have about $58.58MM in contractual commitments for 2012. If they retain McGehee, Morgan, Loe, Marcum, and Gomez, that'd add $16.4MM for a total of about $75MM. Assuming a steady payroll, that'd leave less than $9MM in 2012 flexibility before accounting for minimum salary players. McGehee's salary could be shedded, but without a payroll increase the Brewers do not have much room to spend this winter.

If we're really at around $75M committed counting those four back (which I think can all be assumed until proven otherwise) we won't have much flexibility to add a bat. I was really hoping we would add one impact guy over a few marginal upgrades, but my guess is the latter happens.

Not that optimistic about next year at all.

MikeIsGood · Post #34 » by **MikeIsGood** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:37 pm

humanrefutation wrote:And...this depressed me.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/playoffs/2011/st ... me-brewers

It's a great article; I've read it multiple times. Depressing, sad, etc...yes.

No 'but.' It's depressing and sad and etc.

Post #35 » by **MickeyDavis** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:45 pm

And there won't be a payroll increase. We're pretty much maxed out. Usually the season after a good season sees higher attendance but I don't see that happening next year and neither will Attanasio. And there isn't that much room to grow with attendance anyway. Let's face it, the Brewers revenue can't go much higher, neither can the payroll.

SugarRay34 · Post #36 » by **SugarRay34** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:47 pm

I want Derek Lee as a possible platton at 1B with Gamel. Probably one of the best defensive 1B in the majors and would be a huge step in the right direction to improve our defense. He cant hit worth a lick anymore but would not be bad for a platoon situation. He still hit .270 this year so not totally awful. Think he would be a great addition

Aaron It Out · Post #37 » by **Aaron It Out** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:54 pm

It would be hard to top this years attendance, but if it were for a big name move like Reyes he might think it's worth it. He already said they will be in the Fielder sweepstakes so he's obviously willing to expand. I would imagine when Fielder doesn't re-sign he would be open to signing a different free agent.

LUKE23 · Post #38 » by **LUKE23** » Mon Oct 17, 2011 11:59 pm

I'd move Hart to 1B, put Gamel in RF.

Profound23 · Post #39 » by **Profound23** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 1:15 am

Aaron It Out wrote:It would be hard to top this years attendance, but if it were for a big name move like Reyes he might think it's worth it. He already said they will be in the Fielder sweepstakes so he's obviously willing to expand. I would imagine when Fielder doesn't re-sign he would be open to signing a different free agent.

If we were willing to spend x amount on Fielder, but Fielder doesn't take it then we better be willing to spend that much on Reyes. The dude hits for average, is a great defensive shortstop, has range, speed, and everything else. Yes, I know he has been hurt a lot but in the long run his contract will look better than Prince.

Post #40 » by **MickeyDavis** » Tue Oct 18, 2011 2:20 am

Lee is a lefty so platooning him with Gamel won't work.

Attanasio is saying all the right things, as he did with Sabathia, but there is no way Fielder is returning. And I don't see him spending the kind of money Reyes will get either.