John Wall makes 2000 shots a day

[7-Day Dray]

So if you want to look at those combine numbers and “not ignore them”, you’ll note that Wall is a full 1.5 inches taller than Rose, had a better max vert reach, and beat him handily in the agility testing.

Secondarily, Wall’s coach noted in May of this year that John was still growing and is now an inch taller than when he was drafted, which would put him at about 2.5 inches taller than Rose. If you watched any video of Wall this offseason, you would see that he does now appear to stand about the same height as Harden, who is 6’5”.

No Wall only has 1.25" on Rose, shoe heights vary. Lets not believe Rose's shoes only add 1 inch while Wall's shoes add 1.5 inches. Wall may appear to be taller than he was last year but so does everyone who was drafted after high school or a freshman year. Durant is damn near 7 foot these days. Rose likely experienced his own growing as well. Again, this is not the different beteween Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant. The height difference here is negligible. Vert reach and length for point guard isn't as important as it is for bigmen or even wings. Wall isn't going to be anchoring a defense any time soon. Wall did beat Rose in the agility i will concede that.

You are also ignoring the most important one. Sprint. Wall rant the sprint as fast as Oj Mayo (3.14). Rose was the fastest top 15 pick ever(3.05) recorded by draft express. Sort the players by sprint times and you will see. Wall is not faster than Rose according to the numbers. Side note: Nate Robinson is an absolute freak!

What was Nate's time?

2.96

[Stunnaboy2K11]

No Wall only has 1.25" on Rose, shoe heights vary. Lets not believe Rose's shoes only add 1 inch while Wall's shoes add 1.5 inches. Wall may appear to be taller than he was last year but so does everyone who was drafted after high school or a freshman year. Durant is damn near 7 foot these days. Rose likely experienced his own growing as well. Again, this is not the different beteween Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant. The height difference here is negligible. Vert reach and length for point guard isn't as important as it is for bigmen or even wings. Wall isn't going to be anchoring a defense any time soon. Wall did beat Rose in the agility i will concede that.

You are also ignoring the most important one. Sprint. Wall rant the sprint as fast as Oj Mayo (3.14). Rose was the fastest top 15 pick ever(3.05) recorded by draft express. Sort the players by sprint times and you will see. Wall is not faster than Rose according to the numbers. Side note: Nate Robinson is an absolute freak!

What was Nate's time?

2.96

[7-Day Dray]

7day dray, I agree that Wall was bad on defense last year, especially in the beginning and middle of the year. You also have to take into account that the Wizards were amngst the very worst in the league in team defense and at the rim finishing percentage, which made Wall look worse than he otherwise would have. Wall will be fine on defense. He has elite tools on the defensive end, and an elite work ethic.

tru, tru. Wizards had the worst rotating bigs in the league last year.

[7-Day Dray]

You are overlooking the fact that draft combine is just a test. If you get off on the wrong foot that morning Randy Livingston looks faster than you, so I wouldn't give the combine that much value.

And I don't really think anybody can tell accurrately which one is the faster when it comes to two physical freaks like Rose and Wall.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

[Senor Chang]

So if you want to look at those combine numbers and “not ignore them”, you’ll note that Wall is a full 1.5 inches taller than Rose, had a better max vert reach, and beat him handily in the agility testing.

Secondarily, Wall’s coach noted in May of this year that John was still growing and is now an inch taller than when he was drafted, which would put him at about 2.5 inches taller than Rose. If you watched any video of Wall this offseason, you would see that he does now appear to stand about the same height as Harden, who is 6’5”.

No Wall only has 1.25" on Rose, shoe heights vary. Lets not believe Rose's shoes only add 1 inch while Wall's shoes add 1.5 inches. Wall may appear to be taller than he was last year but so does everyone who was drafted after high school or a freshman year. Durant is damn near 7 foot these days. Rose likely experienced his own growing as well. Again, this is not the different beteween Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant. The height difference here is negligible. Vert reach and length for point guard isn't as important as it is for bigmen or even wings. Wall isn't going to be anchoring a defense any time soon. Wall did beat Rose in the agility i will concede that.

You are also ignoring the most important one. Sprint. Wall rant the sprint as fast as Oj Mayo (3.14). Rose was the fastest top 15 pick ever(3.05) recorded by draft express. Sort the players by sprint times and you will see. Wall is not faster than Rose according to the numbers. Side note: Nate Robinson is an absolute freak!

What was Nate's time?

2.96 sprint w/ a 43.5 vert. too bad he is so small, and cant shoot, and cant pass, and cant start..
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... =1&sort=16

[Stunnaboy2K11]

No Wall only has 1.25" on Rose, shoe heights vary. Lets not believe Rose's shoes only add 1 inch while Wall's shoes add 1.5 inches. Wall may appear to be taller than he was last year but so does everyone who was drafted after high school or a freshman year. Durant is damn near 7 foot these days. Rose likely experienced his own growing as well. Again, this is not the different beteween Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant. The height difference here is negligible. Vert reach and length for point guard isn't as important as it is for bigmen or even wings. Wall isn't going to be anchoring a defense any time soon. Wall did beat Rose in the agility i will concede that.

You are also ignoring the most important one. Sprint. Wall rant the sprint as fast as Oj Mayo (3.14). Rose was the fastest top 15 pick ever(3.05) recorded by draft express. Sort the players by sprint times and you will see. Wall is not faster than Rose according to the numbers. Side note: Nate Robinson is an absolute freak!

What was Nate's time?

2.96 sprint w/ a 43.5 vert. too bad he is so small, and cant shoot, and cant pass, and cant start..
http://www.draftexpress.com/nba-pre-dra ... =1&sort=16

Come on, that's pretty harsh. Nate has a better J than 80% of the league. If he was 6'4 and kept all his athleticism he'd be a top 5 SG.

[Bomba Navarro]

If my grandma had wheels she'd be a bicycle.

I don't think Nate's main problem is his height.

[Senor Chang]

So if you want to look at those combine numbers and “not ignore them”, you’ll note that Wall is a full 1.5 inches taller than Rose, had a better max vert reach, and beat him handily in the agility testing.

Secondarily, Wall’s coach noted in May of this year that John was still growing and is now an inch taller than when he was drafted, which would put him at about 2.5 inches taller than Rose. If you watched any video of Wall this offseason, you would see that he does now appear to stand about the same height as Harden, who is 6’5”.

No Wall only has 1.25" on Rose, shoe heights vary. Lets not believe Rose's shoes only add 1 inch while Wall's shoes add 1.5 inches. Wall may appear to be taller than he was last year but so does everyone who was drafted after high school or a freshman year. Durant is damn near 7 foot these days. Rose likely experienced his own growing as well. Again, this is not the different beteween Wade and Lebron or Lebron and Durant. The height difference here is negligible. Vert reach and length for point guard isn't as important as it is for bigmen or even wings. Wall isn't going to be anchoring a defense any time soon. Wall did beat Rose in the agility i will concede that.

You are also ignoring the most important one. Sprint. Wall rant the sprint as fast as Oj Mayo (3.14). Rose was the fastest top 15 pick ever(3.05) recorded by draft express. Sort the players by sprint times and you will see. Wall is not faster than Rose according to the numbers. Side note: Nate Robinson is an absolute freak!

Nate Robinson is a freak athlete. I knew when I posted about the sprint times. I just wanted to counter your posting of the official heights with some other official numbers. I think Rose, Westbrook and Wall are all beasts, and are comparable athletes. I certainly don't think that Wall is obviously a better athlete than Rose. Arguments can be made on both sides, which was really my point.

Anyway, I really like Rose and hope he has a lot of success. I'd love to see Wall vs Rose turn into a real rivalry. Right now neither Wall nor the Wizards are good enough for that to happen. I have hope that over time that will change.

7day dray, I agree that Wall was bad on defense last year, especially in the beginning and middle of the year. You also have to take into account that the Wizards were amngst the very worst in the league in team defense and at the rim finishing percentage, which made Wall look worse than he otherwise would have. Wall will be fine on defense. He has elite tools on the defensive end, and an elite work ethic.

They are certainly not on different tiers and at this level the differences are negligible. My point was just to point out Wall isn't clearly faster than Rose. As for defense, point guard defense in general is overrated. Team defense is what the Wizards need. If their team defense improves Wall's individual defense will fall into place.

[ERRDAY3]

Who cares who is faster end to end max speed is almost useless in an NBA game when Wall is not going his fastest he's looks slow IMO. Also Derrick Roses first step is way better than Walls

[Aeternus]

Come on, that's pretty harsh. Nate has a better J than 80% of the league. If he was 6'4 and kept all his athleticism he'd be JR Smith.

Fixed that for you. Height doesn't hide the lack of bball iq.

[doctorfunk]

There has kind of been an arms race in these sorts of claims. Wihtout being there you can't know whether it is guys actually shooting more and more trying to trump each other, or if its guys just SAYING they are shooting more and more trying to trump each other. First it was Kobe said he was shooting 1000. Then Arenas came along and said he was going to shoot 1500 hundred or something before he ruined his knee (maybe with the insane reps). Then it was 2000. Next it will be 3000. It reminds me of high school with all the virgin guys standing around one upping each other with how many girls they've slept with.

good point this could be the case, 2000 is really a lot and obviously more than you need whoever you are. There are other things to be worked on and if he is making anything other than spot up shots he will be really spending lots of time and energy on it.

Peja Stojakovic might have made 80% in practice, in the first hour.

John Wall is not making 80% of his shots. Especially not after theoretically shooting them nonstop every few seconds from morning til noon.

He could be, these guys can really swish it
I mean some random ppl like myself could hit 60-70% so NBA pros almost all should be generally in 80% range even those who don't seem like great shooters

[kodo]

I wonder what good NBA shooters make per day, anyone know?

From on old article when Kobe also claimed 2000 a day (in his younger years):

Maybe he has seen one too many presidential campaign speeches. Or maybe he's just taking after another famous Laker, Wilt Chamberlain. But does Kobe Bryant really expect anyone to believe his claim, made recently in the Los Angeles Times, that he made 2,000 jump shots a day -- every day -- during the offseason?

That's 2,000 makes, not attempts. Fifteen- to 18-footers, too, not layups or free throws. Every day.

"No way," said Bucks guard Ray Allen. "I don't know Kobe, but that sounds like ... Did he really say that?"

Knicks forward Glen Rice, a teammate of Bryant's a year ago, was only slightly more diplomatic. "Hmmm, that seems like an awful lot," said Rice with a chuckle and a roll of the eyes. "I've never shot that many. But it's possible, I guess. Kobe's a gym rat."

Even by NBA standards, Bryant's claim strains credulity. In order to make 2,000 shots, a player would need to make 500 shots an hour -- over eight per minute -- for four hours. While not impossible, it would be a murderous workout. Especially if one did it every day.

"If I took that many shots," said Allen, "I'd need surgery to reattach my arm."

Maybe Bryant, former co-owner of Italian team Olimpia Milano, wanted to look like the Venus De Milo.

Allen, one of the NBA's best pure shooters, said a typical offseason workout for him might include about 500 jumpers. For example, he might make 100 from each baseline, 100 from the wings and 100 from the top of the key. "Anything more than that is unnecessary," Allen said.

[bledredwine]

Wall's inside game will most likely never be near Rose's,

hence why Rose never shot a near 300's efficiency like wall (.409%)

Rose shot .475.


Rose is an athletic freak and built like a tank. Wall? Not built like a tank.

[theboomking]

Wall's inside game will most likely never be near Rose's,

hence why Rose never shot a near 300's efficiency like wall (.409%)

Rose shot .475.


Rose is an athletic freak and built like a tank. Wall? Not built like a tank.

Exactly. Except for the fact that a rookie John Wall finished inside almost exactly as well as Rose in his 3rd year, and better than Rose and Westbrook as rookies.

Wall .599 at rim
Rose .580 as a rookie .600 this year

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Derrick%20Rose

[Winsome Gerbil]

From on old article when Kobe also claimed 2000 a day (in his younger years):

Maybe he has seen one too many presidential campaign speeches. Or maybe he's just taking after another famous Laker, Wilt Chamberlain. But does Kobe Bryant really expect anyone to believe his claim, made recently in the Los Angeles Times, that he made 2,000 jump shots a day -- every day -- during the offseason?

That's 2,000 makes, not attempts. Fifteen- to 18-footers, too, not layups or free throws. Every day.

"No way," said Bucks guard Ray Allen. "I don't know Kobe, but that sounds like ... Did he really say that?"

Knicks forward Glen Rice, a teammate of Bryant's a year ago, was only slightly more diplomatic. "Hmmm, that seems like an awful lot," said Rice with a chuckle and a roll of the eyes. "I've never shot that many. But it's possible, I guess. Kobe's a gym rat."

Even by NBA standards, Bryant's claim strains credulity. In order to make 2,000 shots, a player would need to make 500 shots an hour -- over eight per minute -- for four hours. While not impossible, it would be a murderous workout. Especially if one did it every day.

"If I took that many shots," said Allen, "I'd need surgery to reattach my arm."

Maybe Bryant, former co-owner of Italian team Olimpia Milano, wanted to look like the Venus De Milo.

Allen, one of the NBA's best pure shooters, said a typical offseason workout for him might include about 500 jumpers. For example, he might make 100 from each baseline, 100 from the wings and 100 from the top of the key. "Anything more than that is unnecessary," Allen said.

Yeah, that's kind of my point. I mean those are some of the best shooters in history calling B.S. on that sort of claim. It just strains credulity.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Wall's inside game will most likely never be near Rose's,

hence why Rose never shot a near 300's efficiency like wall (.409%)

Rose shot .475.


Rose is an athletic freak and built like a tank. Wall? Not built like a tank.

Exactly. Except for the fact that a rookie John Wall finished inside almost exactly as well as Rose in his 3rd year, and better than Rose and Westbrook as rookies.

Wall .599 at rim
Rose .580 as a rookie .600 this year

http://www.hoopdata.com/player.aspx?name=Derrick%20Rose

I was literally just about to post that...you beat me to it

There is no evidence that supports the statement "Rose can finish in the paint better." At least, none that I could find.

I don't know why people shoot down Wall (and his potential) so quickly. I think it's a bit absurd to be honest. He has all of the tools to be a top point guard in the NBA. What makes him so rare at his size and athleticism is that he is a true point guard with great vision and he can score as well. Factor in his work ethic and if he is able to add a consistent jumper, which apparently he has been working hard doing during the offseason doing, then the sky is the limit for him.

[ERRDAY3]

Wall shot a bit better at rim than rookie Rose but Rose got there a bit more and destoryed him in every other spot on the floor 3-9, 10-15, 16-21. 3-9 feet is still inside and most of Walls inside points came from fastbreaks and in transition

[ERRDAY3]

You never really see Wall just blow by someone and get into the paint from the standstill. Most of the time he has to start from really far out to get in the paint in the halfcourt. Even in these pickup games this he couldn't really create separation from his defenders on his drives.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtdtprg4bM[/youtube]
Compare it to Rose who has the best first step in the NBA IMO he can blow by anyone at anytime from any postion. Rose also has a better 2nd and 3rd step than Wall along better body control and more strength.

[7-Day Dray]

You never really see Wall just blow by someone and get into the paint from the standstill. Most of the time he has to start from really far out to get in the paint in the halfcourt. Even in these pickup games he couldn't really create separation from his defenders on his drives.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCtdtprg4bM[/youtube]
Compare it to Rose who has the best first step in the NBA IMO he can blow by anyone at anytime from any postion. Rose also has a better 2nd and 3rd step than Wall

I agree with this, but that's mainly because Rose has a tighter handle and a lower center of gravity. If Wall worked on his handle more and just bent at the waist a little more, he would be truly unstoppable in the half-court.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

What is this comparison about? One is an MVP, never missed the playoffs, and is a proven leader. The other had cute rookie stats, has a team going nowhere quickly, and clearly overshadowed by Blake Griffin.was