John Wall makes 2000 shots a day

[Raps in 4]

That's the same number that Kobe does during a single game.

Fixed.

[NBA Fan 1234]

What is this comparison about? One is an MVP, never missed the playoffs, and is a proven leader. The other had cute rookie stats, has a team going nowhere quickly, and clearly overshadowed by Blake Griffin.was

There is a comparison for the same reason there is one between Westbrook and Rose --> they are the new age point guards. Nothing is going to stop people from comparing them. Also, you can't bring up the team aspect. You put a rookie Rose on the same Wizards team that Wall had and the team does no better. What does BG have to do with any of this? Who the f*ck cares if he was overshadowed by Griffin? I feel like Rose fans get butt hurt when people talk about Wall.

[7-Day Dray]

What is this comparison about? One is an MVP, never missed the playoffs, and is a proven leader. The other had cute rookie stats, has a team going nowhere quickly, and clearly overshadowed by Blake Griffin.was

There is a comparison for the same reason there is one between Westbrook and Rose --> they are the new age point guards. Nothing is going to stop people from comparing them. Also, you can't bring up the team aspect. You put a rookie Rose on the same Wizards team that Wall had and the team does no better. What does BG have to do with any of this? Who the f*ck cares if he was overshadowed by Griffin? I feel like Rose fans get butt hurt when people talk about Wall.

[bullsnewdynasty]

It's more annoyance about Wall being projected as the best PG in the league in the future though he still has a ton of work to do to be even mentioned with the top PG's, who have had way more team/individual success and the young ones in that group (Rose, Westbrook) still have untapped potential themselves.

[NBA Fan 1234]

It's more annoyance about Wall being projected as the best PG in the league in the future though he still has a ton of work to do to be even mentioned with the top PG's, who have had way more team/individual success and the young ones in that group (Rose, Westbrook) still have untapped potential themselves.

The one thing that separates Wall from the others is his court vision and him being a pass first point guard. That's why, in my opinion at least, I think that Wall actually has more potential than either Westbrook OR Rose.

There's no doubt that he still has a lot to improve on (cutting turnovers being at the top of that last), but can you really deny his potential? Also, if I'm understanding your post correctly, you are comparing players who have had success throughout their careers (on better teams, mind you) with a rookie (who had a crap team)? Seriously?

[NashtyNas]

Boy whenever we have our next ASG, the East PG's will be loaded.

D. Rose, D-Will, Rondo, & Wall?

And to think 2 years ago the West had the superior PG's.

Chances are, Paul ends up in NY (at a discount rate, if necessary, he's that kind of guy). Add in the fact that guys like Holiday, Collison, Teague can make the next step sometime in the near future, and the added rookies of this season who were highly touted themselves in Irving, Knight and Walker, and you have a TON of potential at that position in the East. I'm not even looking at the fact that Calderon is severly underrated, Nelson/Arenas/Duhon are all on the same team, I didn't even think about Brandon Jennings till now, and Hinrich is also still in the East.

There are just WAY too many PG's in the league that could be decent to great starters on a winning team.

[ERRDAY3]

What is this comparison about? One is an MVP, never missed the playoffs, and is a proven leader. The other had cute rookie stats, has a team going nowhere quickly, and clearly overshadowed by Blake Griffin.was

There is a comparison for the same reason there is one between Westbrook and Rose --> they are the new age point guards. Nothing is going to stop people from comparing them. Also, you can't bring up the team aspect. You put a rookie Rose on the same Wizards team that Wall had and the team does no better. What does BG have to do with any of this? Who the f*ck cares if he was overshadowed by Griffin? I feel like Rose fans get butt hurt when people talk about Wall.

I feel like a lot of these people hyping up Wall like crazy are actually Rose haters

[NBA Fan 1234]

What is this comparison about? One is an MVP, never missed the playoffs, and is a proven leader. The other had cute rookie stats, has a team going nowhere quickly, and clearly overshadowed by Blake Griffin.was

There is a comparison for the same reason there is one between Westbrook and Rose --> they are the new age point guards. Nothing is going to stop people from comparing them. Also, you can't bring up the team aspect. You put a rookie Rose on the same Wizards team that Wall had and the team does no better. What does BG have to do with any of this? Who the f*ck cares if he was overshadowed by Griffin? I feel like Rose fans get butt hurt when people talk about Wall.

I feel like a lot of these people hyping up Wall like crazy are actually Rose haters

Maybe some do...definitely possible. I, personally, don't hate Rose. He's a top 3 point guard and a hell of a talent. I just think that whenever anyone brings up someone becoming a top point guard in the league, Rose fans tend to attack first. Almost as if having another possible top point guard is a threat to Rose's place in the league.

[Wharton Alum 08]

The whole John Wall is a pure point thing I feel is a bit overblown. He struggles in the halfcourt but is exceptional in transition. He's a drive and kick PG just like Rose, Westbrook, Parker. His assist numbers were pretty but he turned the ball over a lot. He also took 14 shots a game in comparison to Rose who took 15 his rookie year. I think Wall could be great but it's a slap in the face to just make it seem like it is inevitable he'll be better than Rose who is just two years older than Wall.

[bullsnewdynasty]

And there were several players that got hyped up on potential in player comparison threads to Rose in previous years like Brandon Jennings and Tyreke Evans but didn't live up to it after that, so it can be annoying to see people hyping up Wall's potential when he hasn't proven jack.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

What is this comparison about? One is an MVP, never missed the playoffs, and is a proven leader. The other had cute rookie stats, has a team going nowhere quickly, and clearly overshadowed by Blake Griffin.was

There is a comparison for the same reason there is one between Westbrook and Rose --> they are the new age point guards. Nothing is going to stop people from comparing them. Also, you can't bring up the team aspect. You put a rookie Rose on the same Wizards team that Wall had and the team does no better. What does BG have to do with any of this? Who the f*ck cares if he was overshadowed by Griffin? I feel like Rose fans get butt hurt when people talk about Wall.

That wasn't a literal question. I understand why people compare the two, but the fact is there isn't much of one. One has accomplished quite a bit, and the other has done nothing. ROY, MVP, number one seed, proven team leader. Wall had nice pure numbers on some ugly, ugly, ugly advanced stats.

John Wall has that dance tho. that dance.

Wall wasn't even the best rookie. And he won't be making any allstar games if he keeps that record where it's at.

[bledredwine]

well at .409 FG% Wall obviously has a lot of trouble getting to the rim

[bullsnewdynasty]

I don't think Wall's supporting cast was all that different from Rose's for the most part. There are a lot of similarities between these players.

Ben Gordon -> Nick Young
Tyrus Thomas -> Andray Blatche
Joakim Noah -> JaVale McGee
Kirk Hinrich -> Kirk Hinrich
Larry Hughes -> Gilbert Arenas
Drew Gooden -> Yi Jianlian
Luol Deng -> Rashard Lewis

Salmons and Miller are the the only difference, for the most part, and they were only there half the year.

[NBA Fan 1234]

What is this comparison about? One is an MVP, never missed the playoffs, and is a proven leader. The other had cute rookie stats, has a team going nowhere quickly, and clearly overshadowed by Blake Griffin.was

There is a comparison for the same reason there is one between Westbrook and Rose --> they are the new age point guards. Nothing is going to stop people from comparing them. Also, you can't bring up the team aspect. You put a rookie Rose on the same Wizards team that Wall had and the team does no better. What does BG have to do with any of this? Who the f*ck cares if he was overshadowed by Griffin? I feel like Rose fans get butt hurt when people talk about Wall.

That wasn't a literal question. I understand why people compare the two, but the fact is there isn't much of one. One has accomplished quite a bit, and the other has done nothing. ROY, MVP, number one seed, proven team leader. Wall had nice pure numbers on some ugly, ugly, ugly advanced stats.

John Wall has that dance tho. that dance.

Wall wasn't even the best rookie. And he won't be making any allstar games if he keeps that record where it's at.

If Rose was in Griffin's draft class do you think he would have won ROY? If Rose was on the Wizards do you think they'd do well? Both of those answers are an easy no IMO. That being said, if you put Wall on the Bulls do they do as well as they've done with Rose? No -- they won't get the #1 seed but IMO they would still make the playoffs all three years. Wall has the potential to be one of the top point guards -- he has the full package --> size, athleticism, scoring ability (even without a consistent jumper...yet), and he has great court vision. Also, Wall was injured last year...the entire season and still played. If he was not hurt those numbers would have gone up (similar to Tyreke Evans' situation).

The Wizards' record will improve as Wall improves but he can only do so much. Chris Paul, who IMO is the best point guard in the league, would not put up the same numbers he does with NOH if he was in Washington. Wall needs a better team in order for him to be able to make use of all of his talent. He news players with some semblance of a BBIQ (I'm looking at you McGee, Blatche, and to some extent Young -- although he's become a little better decision maker). I honestly believe that Wall will become a top point guard in the league for the reasons I said in the first paragraph.

The last thing I need to say is at least we can agree on the dance lol. I go to a rival and even I like that song/dance.

[NBA Fan 1234]

I don't think Wall's supporting cast was all that different from Rose's for the most part. There are a lot of similarities between these players.

Ben Gordon -> Nick Young
Tyrus Thomas -> Andray Blatche
Joakim Noah -> JaVale McGee
Kirk Hinrich -> Kirk Hinrich
Larry Hughes -> Gilbert Arenas
Drew Gooden -> Yi Jianlian
Luol Deng -> Rashard Lewis

Salmons and Miller are the the only difference, for the most part, and they were only there half the year.

While they may be similar in playing styles, the difference in BBIQ and talent is favored completely in Rose's favor...and it's not even close.

[GhostsOfGil]

I don't think Wall's supporting cast was all that different from Rose's for the most part. There are a lot of similarities between these players.

Ben Gordon -> Nick Young
Tyrus Thomas -> Andray Blatche
Joakim Noah -> JaVale McGee
Kirk Hinrich -> Kirk Hinrich
Larry Hughes -> Gilbert Arenas
Drew Gooden -> Yi Jianlian
Luol Deng -> Rashard Lewis

Salmons and Miller are the the only difference, for the most part, and they were only there half the year.

u conveniently left out cartier martin, mustafa shakur, alonzo gee, otheous jeffers, larry ownes, and lester hudson... all d league players who spent significant time on the wizards. only 3 of the 7 players u listed played together for extended minutes... due to trades and injuries.

[Chicago-Bull-E]

Wall had a WS of 2. As in 2. He provided the Wizards with 2 wins. Good for 6th on the team filled with low BBIQ players, although 5 of those low BBIQ players helped the team win more. Go figure. He finished 14th on the team in WS/48. So the Bulls likely miss the playoffs last year with him leading the charge (2009-2010), and who knows 3 years ago.

Chris Paul has had some ugly supporting casts, so I don't really understand how far that argument goes.

The guy needs to learn to produce more, be more efficient, and actually win basketball games. But potential is the key word these days, so 'he's going to be better than the MVP of the league' gets thrown around a lot. The thread started with a Wall fan saying he'll be better than Rose, not the opposite. Chicago has the 3rd largest fanbase on this site, so you throw up statements like that, you'll get smacked around for it. Rightfully so.

[Senor Chang]

I don't think Wall's supporting cast was all that different from Rose's for the most part. There are a lot of similarities between these players.

Ben Gordon -> Nick Young
Tyrus Thomas -> Andray Blatche
Joakim Noah -> JaVale McGee
Kirk Hinrich -> Kirk Hinrich
Larry Hughes -> Gilbert Arenas
Drew Gooden -> Yi Jianlian
Luol Deng -> Rashard Lewis

Salmons and Miller are the the only difference, for the most part, and they were only there half the year.

While they may be similar in playing styles, the difference in BBIQ and talent is favored completely in Rose's favor...and it's not even close.

Rose's supporting cast has been hyped up recently due to the MVP debates that went on last season but the reality is minus Rose the bulls were a terrible team. Larry Hughes and Tyrus Thomas aren't the sharpest tools in the shed and young Noah was a total slacker pothead. He was Javale Mcgee before Javale Mcgee. It was only recently he got his head out of his behind. Luol Deng was injured a lot that year and Ben Gordon was Ben Gordon. Nothing special. Clutch but that's it. You would think Rose was drafted by a contender the way people like to discredit his contribution to his teams winning.

[BrooklynBulls]

Wall, right now, is a transition scorer. 48% of his attempts were in the first 10 seconds of the shot clock. I wish i had a breakdown for like the first...6 or something, but I don't. But watching him, he's a grossly inefficient half-court scorer, without a lot of moves. I'd say Rondo is a more effective half-court scorer than he is now. Part of that is due to his shot; nobody respects that thing. But part is due to his less than optimal explosiveness off his first step. He's absolutely blazing when he gets his stride, but he's not great when he has to take small, quick steps. Rose, on the other hand, is really wonderful at it. Rose has different first-steps for different situations, but they're all fantastically quick.

Wall's transition game is really fantastic, but its a bit false to say- hey look, both Rose and Wall made 60% of their attempts at the rim! Wall had an assload of attempts at the rim unchallenged. Rose had to make a lot of his attempts off half-court moves, and there's a ton of congestion in the lane in that situation. And it's not like Rose has ever played in a true transition offense like Wall did last season. Wall was allowed to leak out and gamble for steals-- Rose has never been unshackled like that. The Bulls as an organization put defense first.

I think it's clear that Rose, even in his rookie season, was a much better half-court scorer. And I think he'll continue to be for their entire careers. But I like Wall's defensive potential and distributive capacity more. The ceiling for Wall I think will depend on his discipline on the court (he's often a little too liberal with himself, while Rose is too often conservative), and the improvement of his jumpshot. But he's certainly got the athleticism and skillset to be way up there.

[BrooklynBulls]

Rookie Joakim Noah was better than Javale McGee has ever been. Our frustrations with his little fits and injuries and outofshapeitude pales in comparison to the ever-loving disappointment that is McGee's career.