Week 8: Non-Packers

LUKE23 · Post #282 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 1:44 pm

Haley looks like such a ****.

Newz · Post #283 » by **Newz** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:37 pm

Chris Johnson has officially turned into a scrub.

This is why you don't give RBs that much money.

emunney · Post #284 » by **emunney** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:44 pm

Not sure if it has anything to do with him being a RB. He just doesn't give a **** anymore. That's a bad trait at any position.

Newz · Post #285 » by **Newz** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:46 pm

emunney wrote:Not sure if it has anything to do with him being a RB. He just doesn't give a **** anymore. That's a bad trait at any position.

I don't think he doesn't give a ****. I think he's just burned out already.

If I was them I'd limit his carries big time and put as little mileage on him as possible. Then hope that next year he can come back and have an impact again.

RB is the least valuable position in the NFL besides K/P. Not even close.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #286 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:49 pm

Remember when he wanted a Peyton Manning type contract? I think his problem is that he didn't work out hard during the lockout. Part of it could also be that he's worn out already, but I think it's mostly due to his lack of work ethic. What do you do with him if you are the Titans? When does it financially make sense to cut him? If he keeps playing as awful as he has so far, you can't give him ore than a handful of carries a game.

emunney · Post #287 » by **emunney** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:50 pm

Newz wrote:RB is the least valuable position in the NFL besides K/P. Not even close.

Tell that to the Bears and 9ers.

LUKE23 · Post #288 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:53 pm

Can't really make blanket statements like "position X is least valuable". Each team dynamic is different.

Newz · Post #289 » by **Newz** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:56 pm

emunney wrote:Tell that to the Bears and 9ers.

That you can only come up with two teams proves my point.

Kerb Hohl · Post #290 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:57 pm

Newz wrote:
emunney wrote:Not sure if it has anything to do with him being a RB. He just doesn't give a **** anymore. That's a bad trait at any position.

I don't think he doesn't give a ****. I think he's just burned out already.

If I was them I'd limit his carries big time and put as little mileage on him as possible. Then hope that next year he can come back and have an impact again.

RB is the least valuable position in the NFL besides K/P. Not even close.

So you'd take Mangold over Adrian Peterson? (or whoever the top center in football is...I think Mangold is hurt...Pouncey?)

chuckleslove · Post #291 » by **chuckleslove** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:57 pm

Both of those teams win more because of their defenses than their running backs.

Also the Bears are only 4-3 with wins over Minnesota and Carolina.

I would hardly say the Bears have some dominant running back that is carrying them to a great season.

The 49ers I agree Gore has played a huge role in their record, but they have the best defense(in terms of PPG allowed) in the NFL.

The 49ers have scored 43 less points than the Packers and the Bears have scored 60 less points than the Packers, both in 7 games. So if the point of offense is to score points those "dominant" running backs you are pointing out really aren't helping the Bears and 49ers score a lot of points.

Newz · Post #292 » by **Newz** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:57 pm

GrendonJennings wrote:So you'd take Mangold over Adrian Peterson? (or whoever the top center in football is...I think Mangold is hurt...Pouncey?)

Yes.

PkrsBcksGphsMqt · Post #293 » by **PkrsBcksGphsMqt** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:57 pm

Newz wrote:
emunney wrote:Tell that to the Bears and 9ers.

That you can only come up with two teams proves my point.

Vikings as well. Imagine what their team would look like without AP...

Edit: I'd probably add the Rams to the list too.

Newz · Post #294 » by **Newz** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:58 pm

PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
Newz wrote:
emunney wrote:Tell that to the Bears and 9ers.

That you can only come up with two teams proves my point.

Vikings as well. Imagine what there team would look like without AP...

They are 2-6.

Kerb Hohl · Post #295 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 3:58 pm

Newz wrote:
GrendonJennings wrote:So you'd take Mangold over Adrian Peterson? (or whoever the top center in football is...I think Mangold is hurt...Pouncey?)

Yes.

Newz · Post #296 » by **Newz** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:00 pm

GrendonJennings wrote:
Newz wrote:
GrendonJennings wrote:So you'd take Mangold over Adrian Peterson? (or whoever the top center in football is...I think Mangold is hurt...Pouncey?)

Yes.

I'm sure you would have had the same response with Chris Johnson before this year. Amirite?

Offensive linemen can make a major impact in both the passing game and the running game. In addition, there are far less offensive linemen at each position that can have a big impact than running backs.

Every year there are new guys popping up at RB having a great season. The Texans are the perfect example. No matter who they put in their backfield, they play very well.

Kerb Hohl · Post #297 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:00 pm

Newz wrote:
PkrsBcksGphsMqt wrote:
Newz wrote:
That you can only come up with two teams proves my point.

Vikings as well. Imagine what there team would look like without AP...

They are 2-6.

I love your theories.

First you tell us Jermichael isn't elite because of his previous stats. Then you say Cam is elite or going to be elite, and when twirly brings up stats, you say "look at him play."

Then we talk about AP and how he has driven the team to great records in the past, has great stats, etc. and their record is your arguments. What about Marshall Faulk, etc.?

Kerb Hohl · Post #298 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:02 pm

Newz wrote:I'm sure you would have had the same response with Chris Johnson before this year. Amirite?

Offensive linemen can make a major impact in both the passing game and the running game. In addition, there are far less offensive linemen at each position that can have a big impact than running backs.

Every year there are new guys popping up at RB having a great season. The Texans are the perfect example. No matter who they put in their backfield, they play very well.

I don't disagree with that, but center isn't THAT instrumental in these guys running well.

There are a handful of guys that are elite that will run pretty well regardless of line, and CJ0K was thought to be on that list, but I guess not.

I think it's because he doesn't care, though.

chuckleslove · Post #299 » by **chuckleslove** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:03 pm

Newz wrote:
emunney wrote:Tell that to the Bears and 9ers.

That you can only come up with two teams proves my point.

And the fact that those two teams score very mediocre amount of points at 24.3 PPG and 26.7 PPG.

I guess that puts the 49ers a little above average at 6th in the league to roughly top 25%, but the Bears come in at 13th so almost dead middle of the pack.

Also if you dig deeper their offensive touchdown numbers make them more mediocre again. 14 offensive touchdowns for the Bears(9 passing, 5 rushing) and 17 for the 49ers(8 rushing, 9 passing). That puts their offensive touchdown numbers square in the middle of the league.

I don't see any measure that would put either the Bears or 49ers as a dominant or even above average offense.

LUKE23 · Post #300 » by **LUKE23** » Tue Nov 1, 2011 4:04 pm

chuckleslove wrote:Both of those teams win more because of their defenses than their running backs.

Also the Bears are only 4-3 with wins over Minnesota and Carolina.

I would hardly say the Bears have some dominant running back that is carrying them to a great season.

The 49ers I agree Gore has played a huge role in their record, but they have the best defense(in terms of PPG allowed) in the NFL.

The 49ers have scored 43 less points than the Packers and the Bears have scored 60 less points than the Packers, both in 7 games. So if the point of offense is to score points those "dominant" running backs you are pointing out really aren't helping the Bears and 49ers score a lot of points.

The Niners have put a ton of draft picks and resources into their OL, and Gore makes it go. Yes, their D is very good, but there is no way they are 6-1 with Alex Smith (even an improved Alex Smith) at QB without a studly running game.

For the Bears, it's more how bad their offense is without Forte, than saying they are an elite team with him. We all know they aren't elite. But Forte is a huge weapon in both the running and passing game.

I'd definitely value QB and the passing game over RB, but to say RB is the most worthless position after K is just not true.