Week 8: Non-Packers

[Newz]

It certainly doesn't have to due with any of them lacking talent as Jones, Choice and Murray are all pretty good.

Lulz. That's why they cut Choice, right?

I didn't know that. But I've always thought Choice was a pretty solid back. Felix Jones certainly has a lot of talent and he hasn't been lighting the world on fire. Demarco Murray had one great game.

I think it's a combination of him being a talented player and their offensive line likely play way above how they usually do, combined with the opposing defense likely having a very bad day.

That's not to take away from Murray at all, as he had a great performance. But I think a C dominating and nullifying a guy like Suh can be equally as important as a RB rushing for a ton of yards... especially since the C (and rest of the offensive line dominating) would likely have to happen in order for a massive day like that to happen.

[Newz]

There are also very good/dynamic ones.

I never said that there weren't good RBs.

But if I'm building my team, I'm taking them late in drafts, signing cheap FAs or undrafted guys.

[ReasonablySober]

If AD wasn't making so much money, there wouldn't be a player outside of Rodgers I wouldn't trade for him right now. We talk about having an unstoppable offense. It is as good as there is in the NFL right now. But with Peterson we could cut our punter.

[chuckleslove]

I think the idea that only tackles are important in today's NFL is outdated. Look at where people are drafting centers and guards nowadays. Both of the Pouncey brothers went in the first round, Iupati went in the first round, every year now you see G/C going early in the draft and I've heard some scouts talk about how the interior line is becoming more important because defenses are becoming more creative with their blitzes and moving defensive players around.

[LUKE23]

It's individual player dependent. You can't go into drafts saying "I'm not taking this position until X round". That's how you get stuck drafting need over BPA. Our own TT would never draft like that. Hell, I think Ingram is a Packer if he falls a few more spots in this past one.

[LUKE23]

If AD wasn't making so much money, there wouldn't be a player outside of Rodgers I wouldn't trade for him right now. We talk about having an unstoppable offense. It is as good as there is in the NFL right now. But with Peterson we could cut our punter.

Yep.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

If AD wasn't making so much money, there wouldn't be a player outside of Rodgers I wouldn't trade for him right now. We talk about having an unstoppable offense. It is as good as there is in the NFL right now. But with Peterson we could cut our punter.

He's only good because his offensive line dominates though.

[Kerb Hohl]

They should have paid Herrera and Sullivan the big bucks.

[ReasonablySober]

For the record, I was one of those in favor of moving AD and Johnson. I think both teams are a long way from being contenders, and by then they'll have run Peterson and Johnson into the ground. If either team had landed Luck I'd feel differently, but that isn't going to happen.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Looks like the Bears have top 6 offensive line. If only we had the Bears offensive line, then we could have an elite running game.

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[Kerb Hohl]

Right, I can hear an argument of how important RBs are, no matter how good. But it's above C and G, and personally I think they're in the mix with MLB, S, CB, TE on the whole.

[jakecronus8]

If AD wasn't making so much money, there wouldn't be a player outside of Rodgers I wouldn't trade for him right now. We talk about having an unstoppable offense. It is as good as there is in the NFL right now. But with Peterson we could cut our punter.

AD and conditional pick for Masthay. Calling it, this offseason.

[chuckleslove]

Right, I can hear an argument of how important RBs are, no matter how good. But it's above C and G, and personally I think they're in the mix with MLB, S, CB, TE on the whole.

I thought your list was pretty good where you ranked the positions, I would say there are probably a few exceptions, elite guys at their position who make impact above the norm(Polamalu when healthy etc...) but your ranking a couple of pages ago seemed about right to me.

[chuckleslove]

If AD wasn't making so much money, there wouldn't be a player outside of Rodgers I wouldn't trade for him right now. We talk about having an unstoppable offense. It is as good as there is in the NFL right now. But with Peterson we could cut our punter.

AD and conditional pick for Masthay. Calling it, this offseason.

Masthay is elite, unless that is a first rounder I don't do it.

[Newz]

He's only good because his offensive line dominates though.

Looks like the Bears have top 6 offensive line. If only we had the Bears offensive line, then we could have an elite running game.

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Again, I never said either of these things.

Sometimes I don't even know why I bother posting if my opinion differs from a majority of people. I don't get any logical answers. I just get a bunch of people saying stupid **** like this and pretending like I am spewing the same stupidity.

If you don't think offensive lines have a huge impact on how running backs perform, then I have no clue what to tell you other than I strongly disagree. That seems like common sense.

Matt Forte has had an incredible year this year and the Bears offensive line is total trash. Agreed, props to Matt Forte. He has had a huge impact this year and is an excellent player. I have no idea where I said otherwise.

[LUKE23]

Agreed, props to Matt Forte. He has had a huge impact this year and is an excellent player. I have no idea where I said otherwise.

Well, you did say you'd trade AD for the best player at any position other than K/P, so it's hard to take your stance that Forte, who is clearly worse than AD, is a huge impact player, seriously. That seems pretty contradictory.

[Newz]

It's individual player dependent. You can't go into drafts saying "I'm not taking this position until X round". That's how you get stuck drafting need over BPA. Our own TT would never draft like that. Hell, I think Ingram is a Packer if he falls a few more spots in this past one.

I basically take the BPA besides RB/K/P until round 3/4. Then I throw RB into the mix. Around round 6/7 I consider K/P.

Like I have said about a lot of the discussions people have had on here with me, I guess it's just a difference in how you view things. When most people say: "Man, how were those Cowboys teams so good?", most people come back with "Well because they had Irving, Emmitt and Troy.", where as I think the most impressive thing about that team was the dominance of their offensive line.

It's just like the Finley thing. You guys are ready to call him elite, I'm not. I've never seen another 'elite' player not put up elite numbers. Stats aren't everything, obviously, but all the guys you guys want to compare him to have put up huge seasons statistically while defenses pay a lot of attention to them. He has not... so I don't see why he is above that.

[LUKE23]

I basically take the BPA besides RB/K/P until round 3/4. Then I throw RB into the mix. Around round 6/7 I consider K/P.

So if AD was in this draft at our 2nd rounder, say pick 60, you pass?

[Newz]

Agreed, props to Matt Forte. He has had a huge impact this year and is an excellent player. I have no idea where I said otherwise.

Well, you did say you'd trade AD for the best player at any position other than K/P, so it's hard to take your stance that Forte, who is clearly worse than AD, is a huge impact player, seriously. That seems pretty contradictory.

I would trade Forte for any of those players either. When did I ever say Adrian Peterson wasn't a great player or had an impact on a team winning games?

Why do you guys just make things up?

It's not contradictory at all. Adrian Peterson is great, I just don't value his position very much.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

He's only good because his offensive line dominates though.

Looks like the Bears have top 6 offensive line. If only we had the Bears offensive line, then we could have an elite running game.

http://content.usatoday.com/sportsdata/ ... ng-leaders

Again, I never said either of these things.

Sometimes I don't even know why I bother posting if my opinion differs from a majority of people. I don't get any logical answers. I just get a bunch of people saying stupid **** like this and pretending like I am spewing the same stupidity.

If you don't think offensive lines have a huge impact on how running backs perform, then I have no clue what to tell you other than I strongly disagree. That seems like common sense.

Matt Forte has had an incredible year this year and the Bears offensive line is total trash. Agreed, props to Matt Forte. He has had a huge impact this year and is an excellent player. I have no idea where I said otherwise.

You aren't getting logical answers (from me at least) because you aren't being logical. EVERYONE here agrees RBs can be found cheaply and shouldn't be given massive deals because their careers are very short. That being said, if you can get an elite back like Peterson, Foster, Jackson, Forte, Gore, etc. you do it because they can be game changers. Saying a RB, no matter how talented, is barely more valuable than a punter is flat out ridiculous.