Making Wolves 2012 Championship Contenders

[Foye]

So Bynum, who already struggles staying healthy as the 3rd option on the Lakers, is supposed to carry this team on both ends of the floor? And you don't see any potential problems with that?

Are you implying that you want to ban players from joining the Wolves if they don't have an extensive history of playing 82 games in a season, regardless of how good they are? Shaq had four seasons in a row in his twenties in which he played 54, 51, 60 and 49 games. Yet the Lakers didn't trade him for some unbreakable iron man, because they knew how good he was. I realize he has had injury problems, but you have to realize how elite of a center Bynum is. No player can physically match him. And he has offensive skills to go with his unparalleled size and length, that haven't been fully taken advantage of in LA.

Would I trade for Bynum? Absolutely yes if the price is right.

Would I trade Love (who hasn't been so injury prone and an Allstar 20-15 guy last season) for Bynum? No.

The reason why Bynum or Shaq didn't get traded is pretty easy. Supply and demand. There's less demand for injury prone players. In fact, nobody wants to offer a great healthy player for a great injury prone player.
That's why if you've got a great but injury prone player you always keep the injury prone player (and hope it's going to work out in your favour) because you're not going to get back an comparably good player in return by other teams. That is why Portland still keeps Oden although he's played only 1/4 of the games he could've played in so far.

[shangrila]

So Bynum, who already struggles staying healthy as the 3rd option on the Lakers, is supposed to carry this team on both ends of the floor? And you don't see any potential problems with that?

Are you implying that you want to ban players from joining the Wolves if they don't have an extensive history of playing 82 games in a season, regardless of how good they are? Shaq had four seasons in a row in his twenties in which he played 54, 51, 60 and 49 games. Yet the Lakers didn't trade him for some unbreakable iron man, because they knew how good he was. I realize he has had injury problems, but you have to realize how elite of a center Bynum is. No player can physically match him. And he has offensive skills to go with his unparalleled size and length, that haven't been fully taken advantage of in LA.

I don't think you realise just how bad Bynum's injury problems are. He's played 82 games once in his career (his sophomore season) and was only at 20mpg too. From there he's gone downhill with 35, 50, 65 and 54 games in each of his other seasons.

Now, I think he's a good player, although I don't think he's elite like you're claiming. But if he can't stay on the freaking court it's a moot point. Your franchise player, the guy the team relies on on both ends of the court to be the best team it can be, can't be consistently missing a 3rd of the season if you expect to go anywhere.

I just don't see how you think this would work. The guy has been, at best, fragile in LA and he's not even really a featured player there. To add a much, much larger workload to his body will only logically lead to more injuries.

[Narf]

Ortho Stice, are you sure you're not confusing Bynum with Dwight Howard?

Cuz this would make a lot more sense if you were.

[Klomp]

I realize he has had injury problems, but you have to realize how elite of a center Bynum is. No player can physically match him.

[shrink]

So Bynum, who already struggles staying healthy as the 3rd option on the Lakers, is supposed to carry this team on both ends of the floor? And you don't see any potential problems with that?

Are you implying that you want to ban players from joining the Wolves if they don't have an extensive history of playing 82 games in a season, regardless of how good they are?

I've restrained from this fiasco because, although I think this is terrible value, everyone projects players' future production differently, and therefore has different trade valuations.

However, I HATE it when people use false statements! There is no way in the world that you can restate shangrila's legitimate concern about Bynum's injury history into your statement. Nobody said anything about an extensive history of 82 games. When you make a statement like this, you not only lose ground in your argument, you lose respect for whatever else you have to post.

In the future Ortho Stice, if you think you are right, argue fairly. Don't restate someone's position with such a ludicrously extreme projection.

[Esohny]

People are still arguing with this joker? I can tell you exactly how this conversation will keep going: the OP will continue to smash into the wall headfirst with his awful arguments, you'll continue stating the obvious in response. Wash, rinse, repeat.

[shangrila]

People are still arguing with this joker? I can tell you exactly how this conversation will keep going: the OP will continue to smash into the wall headfirst with his awful arguments, you'll continue stating the obvious in response. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Two words; Lock. Out.

[cpfsf]

Sounds kind of pointless trading for both Bynum and Gortat. I still have a raging ronzone for Gortat. Trading for both Nash and Gortat gets a little tricky. I'm assuming you'd have to take back Warrick.

[Krapinsky]

If Gortat can be a PF next to a center like Bynum, you'd think Orlando would have tried that out during his tenure there instead of flipping him for the horrible contract that is Hedo and one year of J-Rich.

[Narf]

People are still arguing with this joker? I can tell you exactly how this conversation will keep going: the OP will continue to smash into the wall headfirst with his awful arguments, you'll continue stating the obvious in response. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Two words; Lock. Out.

And one more word: entertainment.

[Ortho Stice]

So Bynum, who already struggles staying healthy as the 3rd option on the Lakers, is supposed to carry this team on both ends of the floor? And you don't see any potential problems with that?

Are you implying that you want to ban players from joining the Wolves if they don't have an extensive history of playing 82 games in a season, regardless of how good they are? Shaq had four seasons in a row in his twenties in which he played 54, 51, 60 and 49 games. Yet the Lakers didn't trade him for some unbreakable iron man, because they knew how good he was. I realize he has had injury problems, but you have to realize how elite of a center Bynum is. No player can physically match him. And he has offensive skills to go with his unparalleled size and length, that haven't been fully taken advantage of in LA.

I don't think you realise just how bad Bynum's injury problems are. He's played 82 games once in his career (his sophomore season) and was only at 20mpg too. From there he's gone downhill with 35, 50, 65 and 54 games in each of his other seasons.

Now, I think he's a good player, although I don't think he's elite like you're claiming. But if he can't stay on the freaking court it's a moot point. Your franchise player, the guy the team relies on on both ends of the court to be the best team it can be, can't be consistently missing a 3rd of the season if you expect to go anywhere.

I just don't see how you think this would work. The guy has been, at best, fragile in LA and he's not even really a featured player there. To add a much, much larger workload to his body will only logically lead to more injuries.

56 games is still a significant amount of the season. Garnett played 57 games when the Celtics won 62 games in 08-09. What's important is whether he's healthy in the playoffs. The risk of trading for him is what -- he stays the championship winning center he was for the Lakers? But the potential reward is that he becomes the best center in the league. And I personally don't think Love has that kind of potential. I don't even see him as having the potential to be the third best player on a championship team. He has high numbers, but that doesn't matter if his team has the worst record in the league; and his trade value will only decrease if the Wolves continue to have terrible records. Do you truly believe the worst team in the league will significantly improve next season? Isn't that in itself a huge risk, to expect the Wolves to improve enough so that Love's value doesn't drop, or so that he decides not to leave, when he says he wants to play for a winning team?

If Gortat can be a PF next to a center like Bynum, you'd think Orlando would have tried that out during his tenure there instead of flipping him for the horrible contract that is Hedo and one year of J-Rich.

He did play next to Dwight on occasion, but if you're asking why he didn't play significant minutes next to him, it's because the Magic had a formula that worked/Gortat was an unproven player/he was the only other center on the team, so he was needed there.

[cpfsf]

Either my post about Nash/Gortat trades got deleted, or I forgot to press submit. I don't think there was anything offensive.

Maybe I accidentally posted in the NYK board again.

[Vindicater]

56 games is still a significant amount of the season. Garnett played 57 games when the Celtics won 62 games in 08-09. What's important is whether he's healthy in the playoffs. The risk of trading for him is what -- he stays the championship winning center he was for the Lakers? But the potential reward is that he becomes the best center in the league. And I personally don't think Love has that kind of potential. I don't even see him as having the potential to be the third best player on a championship team. He has high numbers, but that doesn't matter if his team has the worst record in the league; and his trade value will only decrease if the Wolves continue to have terrible records. Do you truly believe the worst team in the league will significantly improve next season? Isn't that in itself a huge risk, to expect the Wolves to improve enough so that Love's value doesn't drop, or so that he decides not to leave, when he says he wants to play for a winning team?

If Gortat can be a PF next to a center like Bynum, you'd think Orlando would have tried that out during his tenure there instead of flipping him for the horrible contract that is Hedo and one year of J-Rich.

He did play next to Dwight on occasion, but if you're asking why he didn't play significant minutes next to him, it's because the Magic had a formula that worked/Gortat was an unproven player/he was the only other center on the team, so he was needed there.

We get it.

You think Bynum is better than Kevin Love, even when he only plays 25-30 minutes a game for 50 odd games a season.

We don't.

/thread.

[john2jer]

Don't end the thread, this Ortho guy is kind of funny. Not often someone sticks so hardcore to such a ridiculous take.