Rumor: Amar'e & Melo at odds over '12 personnel

[Marty McFly]

yeah, I get on stat plenty but, I'm glad he's of this opinion. he knows he's inept as a defender and the fact is, dwight howard behind this team is the best last line of defense money can buy.

also, **** CAA.

[Jay10]

amar'e did say he wanted the big fella('92 version of shaq) during 2 espn interviews

[Ditchweed]

Hmmm ... if there is a 2011/2012 season, how do you get one of those guys?

There is still a salary cap ($58 M in 2010/2011, probably lower if there is a 2011/2012 season) and you still have Billups on the books. Your present signed roster adds to $60M. You can't use a Bird exception, any MLE will be way too low for either one, and there is no trade you could use except for Billups but would either Orlando or N.O. do that? Highly unlikely.

Even in 2012/2013 without Billups you would have three but everybody else would have to be at minimum just like Miami.

[Jay10]

Hmmm ... if there is a 2011/2012 season, how do you get one of those guys?

There is still a salary cap ($58 M in 2010/2011, probably lower if there is a 2011/2012 season) and you still have Billups on the books. Your present signed roster adds to $60M. You can't use a Bird exception, any MLE will be way too low for either one, and there is no trade you could use except for Billups but would either Orlando or N.O. do that? Highly unlikely.

Even in 2012/2013 without Billups you would have three but everybody else would have to be at minimum just like Miami.

i honestly believe one or both of them will be traded after the lockout ends(during the free agency period before games start), because i doubt there will be a february trade deadline.

there is no salary cap(expired july 1st); stern can't lower the salary cap because of the 3 players in miami.

with the income the nba made with the 3 players in miami, he doesn't have much of a choice but to stuck it up and allow another team to make a big 3.

[Ditchweed]

Hmmm ... if there is a 2011/2012 season, how do you get one of those guys?

There is still a salary cap ($58 M in 2010/2011, probably lower if there is a 2011/2012 season) and you still have Billups on the books. Your present signed roster adds to $60M. You can't use a Bird exception, any MLE will be way too low for either one, and there is no trade you could use except for Billups but would either Orlando or N.O. do that? Highly unlikely.

Even in 2012/2013 without Billups you would have three but everybody else would have to be at minimum just like Miami.

i honestly believe one or both of them will be traded after the lockout ends, because i doubt there will be a february trade deadline.

there is no salary cap(expired july 1st); stern can't lower the salary cap because of the 3 players in miami.

My point is that NY will not have enough cap space in either the old or new CBA to get either Howard or Paul unless one of them agrees to an MLE, which will probably only be $5M and I doubt they would sign for that.

The salary cap was at $58M and will probably go lower in 2011/2012 due to Lower BRI %age, and a team can't go over the cap unless they can use exceptions, but NY could only use the MLE. The only other possbility is a sign and trade, but doubtful if Orlando or NO would do that.

[NBA Fan 1234]

Cap might go up to 61 million according to reports. Granted, even at that number we wouldn't be able to sign either outright, it could be possible to get either in a sign and trade during the season (possibly more than just one -- ex Paul/Okafor which is my pipe dream -- with the new trade rules: within 100-200% or something like that). FWIW, I'm one of the people here that believes that Paul could sign for less than the full max if he ends up here.

[Jay10]

Hmmm ... if there is a 2011/2012 season, how do you get one of those guys?

There is still a salary cap ($58 M in 2010/2011, probably lower if there is a 2011/2012 season) and you still have Billups on the books. Your present signed roster adds to $60M. You can't use a Bird exception, any MLE will be way too low for either one, and there is no trade you could use except for Billups but would either Orlando or N.O. do that? Highly unlikely.

Even in 2012/2013 without Billups you would have three but everybody else would have to be at minimum just like Miami.

i honestly believe one or both of them will be traded after the lockout ends, because i doubt there will be a february trade deadline.

there is no salary cap(expired july 1st); stern can't lower the salary cap because of the 3 players in miami.

My point is that NY will not have enough cap space in either the old or new CBA to get either Howard or Paul unless one of them agrees to an MLE, which will probably only be $5M and I doubt they would sign for that.

The salary cap was at $58M and will probably go lower in 2011/2012 due to Lower BRI %age, and a team can't go over the cap unless they can use exceptions, but NY could only use the MLE. The only other possbility is a sign and trade, but doubtful if Orlando or NO would do that.

look at it this way:

stern has to keep the 3 miami heat players in mind when constructing the new cba, since he doesn't want to disband the cash cow; this will be the reason why the salary cap will go higher

[Ditchweed]

Cap might go up to 61 million according to reports. Granted, even at that number we wouldn't be able to sign either outright, it could be possible to get either in a sign and trade during the season (possibly more than just one -- ex Paul/Okafor which is my pipe dream -- with the new trade rules: within 100-200% or something like that). FWIW, I'm one of the people here that believes that Paul could sign for less than the full max if he ends up here.

He would have to take over an $11M paycut from what he is making now to do it. That's a big chunk.

[Ditchweed]

look at it this way:

stern has to keep the 3 miami heat players in mind when constructing the new cba, since he doesn't want to disband the cash cow; this will be the reason why the salary cap will go higher

The salary cap will be based on the player's BRI %age.

Anyway, I guess we'll just have to see the end of 2011/2012 when CP or DH's contracts run out. With Billups gone after 2011/2012, you might be able to fit one of them in.

[TKF]

\Amar'e wants Dwight Howard. Amar'e believes that Steve Nash will come play for the veteran's minimum if it meant he got to toss the ball to Melo, Stat, or Dwight.

DUDE you are the best.... !!!

[Jay10]

look at it this way:

stern has to keep the 3 miami heat players in mind when constructing the new cba, since he doesn't want to disband the cash cow; this will be the reason why the salary cap will go higher

The salary cap will be based on the player's BRI %age.

stern will do everything in his power to keep the 3 players in miami together

[NBA Fan 1234]

Cap might go up to 61 million according to reports. Granted, even at that number we wouldn't be able to sign either outright, it could be possible to get either in a sign and trade during the season (possibly more than just one -- ex Paul/Okafor which is my pipe dream -- with the new trade rules: within 100-200% or something like that). FWIW, I'm one of the people here that believes that Paul could sign for less than the full max if he ends up here.

He would have to take over an $11M paycut from what he is making now to do it. That's a big chunk.

No he doesn't...not if that cap goes up to 61 million. I've done the math on here before and posted it -- if we keep Toney's option, we have 13.6 million in free space that can go to CP3 -- without Toney, it will be 15.1 million. If NOH sees that he is willing to take a paycut to come to NY, they will have no choice but to accept a sign and trade in order to get something of value in return.

If they don't do a sign and trade, then he will be making less money -- roughly 3 or 4 million his first year. However, that's nowhere NEAR the 11M paycut from what he is making now that you assume he will have to take.

[Ditchweed]

Cap might go up to 61 million according to reports. Granted, even at that number we wouldn't be able to sign either outright, it could be possible to get either in a sign and trade during the season (possibly more than just one -- ex Paul/Okafor which is my pipe dream -- with the new trade rules: within 100-200% or something like that). FWIW, I'm one of the people here that believes that Paul could sign for less than the full max if he ends up here.

He would have to take over an $11M paycut from what he is making now to do it. That's a big chunk.

No he doesn't...not if that cap goes up to 61 million. I've done the math on here before and posted it -- if we keep Toney's option, we have 13.6 million in free space that can go to CP3 -- without Toney, it will be 15.1 million. If NOH sees that he is willing to take a paycut to come to NY, they will have no choice but to accept a sign and trade in order to get something of value in return.

If they don't do a sign and trade, then he will be making less money -- roughly 3 or 4 million his first year. However, that's nowhere NEAR the 11M paycut from what he is making now that you assume he will have to take.

That $11M was meant if you could only use an MLE to try and get him.

In looking at the totals, yes you could possibly just fit him in with only a few million short, but that would leave little other than minimum for any other players, just like Miami. I think I mentioned that before though.

Anyway, we'll have to wait till end of 2012 ... and the new CBA rules and new cap limit.

[NBA Fan 1234]

That $11M was meant if you could only use an MLE to try and get him.

In looking at the totals, yes you could possibly just fit him in with only a few million short, but that would leave little other than minimum for any other players, just like Miami. I think I mentioned that before though.

Anyway, we'll have to wait till end of 2012 ... and the new CBA rules and new cap limit.

OOH! My apologies then, dude. Completely misunderstood you...I thought you were saying we wouldn't be able to sign him due to not having enough space in 2012.

I'd be fine with filling out the team with minimum players if we get Paul -- he makes everyone around him MUCH better than than are. Pairing him with a minimum center like Kwame would be fine. Only way I take Dwight over Paul is if we can get Nash for the minimum.

We gotta wait until the new CBA is finalized so we can see what our options are during the season and after.

[Ditchweed]

That $11M was meant if you could only use an MLE to try and get him.

In looking at the totals, yes you could possibly just fit him in with only a few million short, but that would leave little other than minimum for any other players, just like Miami. I think I mentioned that before though.

Anyway, we'll have to wait till end of 2012 ... and the new CBA rules and new cap limit.

OOH! My apologies then, dude. Completely misunderstood you...I thought you were saying we wouldn't be able to sign him due to not having enough space in 2012.

I'd be fine with filling out the team with minimum players if we get Paul -- he makes everyone around him MUCH better than than are. Pairing him with a minimum center like Kwame would be fine. Only way I take Dwight over Paul is if we can get Nash for the minimum.

We gotta wait until the new CBA is finalized so we can see what our options are during the season and after.

No, it's my fault for the confusion. For some reason I thought DH was a free agent this year, not in 2012 ... it kind of messes up the first part of my first post and throws the question off. I only realized it later. I thought the discussion was to get him for 2011/2012.

At least I got the 2012/2013 part right in that when I mentioned "Even in 2012/2013 without Billups you would have three but everybody else would have to be at minimum just like Miami."

Sorry for the mixup. I will go sit in a corner for 10 minutes.

[emo]

Yeah, cause the last thing D12 is known for is defense!

And that's exactly why Amar'e wants him!

So he can continue to play like a pussy on the defensive end, and continue to slack on the rebounds with all of that god given talent he has. Fxcker just wants his on the offensive end.

I'd take Howard if we trade Amar'e bxtch ass in a heartbeat though (don't tell him I said that).

CP3, Melo, D12 = YES!

[King of Canada]

Good thing niether makes the decisions! What do people think this is, Cleveland?

[rasheed69]

Yeah, cause the last thing D12 is known for is defense!

And that's exactly why Amar'e wants him!

So he can continue to play like a pussy on the defensive end, and continue to slack on the rebounds with all of that god given talent he has. Fxcker just wants his on the offensive end.

I'd take Howard if we trade Amar'e bxtch ass in a heartbeat though (don't tell him I said that).

CP3, Melo, D12 = YES!

Thats the reason why amare wants to be the best offensive big man in the league so he wouldnt have to play defense. Im sure howard love to play like amare, its just that hes a slow learner that hes not capable of becoming as good as amare on offense so hes forced to play defense just to get a max contract.

[nykbywayofnc]

it kills me that both these players are paid like superstars but they need more. i can understand getting role players but stat and melo gotta lead the way.

[emo]

it kills me that both these players are paid like superstars but they need more. i can understand getting role players but stat and melo gotta lead the way.

Precisely!