Official Rap/Hip Hop Thread III

[Knicksfan20]

Yea fury...i dont get why your coming at me and saying im ignorant. The truth of it is...Yelawolf isnt that good of a rapper, and his verse was nothing special.

You can think otherwise if you want, you have your opinion...But dont come at me disrespectfully. This is not the first time you have done so in the hip hop forum.

[Fury]

I called you ignorant because you did not hear the verse. You said it yourself.

[Knicksfan20]

Holy ****. I said one of HIS deepest verses ever. And trust me, that was compelling, when he started talking about kids aiming to be the dude drinking rum with 2 models instead of the gun shooting deviant was funny, and it's not about the storytelling being basic. The story was about HIM and his place in the rap industry.

And please, don't give me a bunch songs like I haven't heard most of them. If you couldn't even comprehend one of HIS deepest verses ever, then I don't think you could even comprehend HIS verse.

Skillful lyricism is more than just your bull schemes. You think Eazy E is a great rapper cause of his schemes? Tupac? It takes more. Biggie used simple ass words and storytelling but got his point across. That takes tons of talent.

I didn't have trouble comprehending it, I'm just saying get off your knees and praising dude like the second coming for a verse that got outshined by three other rappers on the track. If that was one of his deepest verses it just speaks to his lack of depth as an artist, but apologies for not noticing the his part. It still ain't that deep and certainly isn't having much impact on ears that have heard far superior verses.

No one said skillful lyricism is all about schemes. Lyricism requires rhyme patterns and schemes, flow, content, layered meaning when possible, wit and a lot of other things...Yelawolf only has the flow part on lock. When I say cats rapped circles around him, they flowed well with better delivery and more hard hitting punches regardless of depth. Just purely on their rapping and use of multi's, punchlines, wordplay and delivery they outperformed his whispering ass.

Whooooo giiiiiiiiiiiives aaaaaaaaaaaaa shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. This **** is exactly why Slaughterhouse will make boring ass music. Joe Budden should just stick to Mood Muzik. The only thing he does was with depth instead of listening to boring **** with the other 3.

LOL and that verse was not outshined by anyone unless you like aesthetic crap that doesn't do anything for me. See, I remember what Yela was talking about. Kids, role models, society, his place in the industry, his look, the way people perceive him, what's right, what people should strive for, what people are feeling and how they should feel about stupid ****, and did it in a clever way using the kid as an allegory, and a nice flow. Meanwhile Joe Budden and Crooked I and Royce are rapping about how great they are! THE DEPTH!

I guess you'd take CANIBUS over Tupac cause man look at those punchlines and word play, and yadda yadda yadda. Make a good **** record. We're talking about music.

That's why as great as Eminem became at being a "technical rapper" nowadays, he's BORING as **** and hasn't said anything worthwhile in years.

Lol, because every rapper neeeds to be deep on every single verse...

I can show you A **** TON of songs where Budden is "Deep"in his songs, and EVERY SINGLE ONE of them are better then ANYTHING Yelawolf has put out.

[j4remi]

Holy ****. I said one of HIS deepest verses ever. And trust me, that was compelling, when he started talking about kids aiming to be the dude drinking rum with 2 models instead of the gun shooting deviant was funny, and it's not about the storytelling being basic. The story was about HIM and his place in the rap industry.

And please, don't give me a bunch songs like I haven't heard most of them. If you couldn't even comprehend one of HIS deepest verses ever, then I don't think you could even comprehend HIS verse.

Skillful lyricism is more than just your bull schemes. You think Eazy E is a great rapper cause of his schemes? Tupac? It takes more. Biggie used simple ass words and storytelling but got his point across. That takes tons of talent.

I didn't have trouble comprehending it, I'm just saying get off your knees and praising dude like the second coming for a verse that got outshined by three other rappers on the track. If that was one of his deepest verses it just speaks to his lack of depth as an artist, but apologies for not noticing the his part. It still ain't that deep and certainly isn't having much impact on ears that have heard far superior verses.

No one said skillful lyricism is all about schemes. Lyricism requires rhyme patterns and schemes, flow, content, layered meaning when possible, wit and a lot of other things...Yelawolf only has the flow part on lock. When I say cats rapped circles around him, they flowed well with better delivery and more hard hitting punches regardless of depth. Just purely on their rapping and use of multi's, punchlines, wordplay and delivery they outperformed his whispering ass.

Whooooo giiiiiiiiiiiives aaaaaaaaaaaaa shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. This **** is exactly why Slaughterhouse will make boring ass music. Joe Budden should just stick to Mood Muzik. The only thing he does was with depth instead of listening to boring **** with the other 3.

LOL and that verse was not outshined by anyone unless you like aesthetic crap that doesn't do anything for me. See, I remember what Yela was talking about. Kids, role models, society, his place in the industry, his look, the way people perceive him, what's right, what people should strive for, what people are feeling and how they should feel about stupid ****, and did it in a clever way using the kid as an allegory, and a nice flow. Meanwhile Joe Budden and Crooked I and Royce are rapping about how great they are! THE DEPTH!

I guess you'd take CANIBUS over Tupac cause man look at those punchlines and word play, and yadda yadda yadda. Make a good **** record. We're talking about music.

That's why as great as Eminem became at being a "technical rapper" nowadays, he's BORING as **** and hasn't said anything worthwhile in years.

Lmao, No I wouldn't take Bis over Pac...but I did always prefer Biggie bc he was a better pure rapper imo despite lacking the depth that Pac had in many of his songs. If Em is your example of a rapper with technical skill becoming boring, then pay attention. His classic albums have no where near the depth of a soul searching damn near repentant album about his battle with drug addiction...but that album was BORING (and Em had definitely said some worthwhile ish even in his weaker spot).

I hear a posse cut like this, I don't want some insane important message. I just want to hear cats rap. There's too many chefs in the kitchen for a message to come across uniform anyway. Yelawolf going for depth just comes off weak when I could throw on Mos Def, Talib Kweli or Lupe and get all the depth I want. I'm not gonna praise him from the mountain tops for that. Like I said, it was by no means a bad verse but nothing about is special or even very unique. I'm not impressed.

[Fury]

I JUST SAID THAT JOE BUDDEN SHOWS DEPTH ON MOOD MUZIK

J4, can you re-write that Em part. I don't know what you mean.

Unless you mean that his recent album Recovery is better than Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, and Eminem Show which is not even close.

And Yela already did this song. Don't mind him trying something different. And just off the top of my head, but Eminem had one of his best verses ever on Fight Music, a posse cut. So it's not like some crazy thing that one shouldn't do.

[j4remi]

I JUST SAID THAT JOE BUDDEN SHOWS DEPTH ON MOOD MUZIK

That he does, and that's him at his best. I actually agree with you that he misses a step on almost every Slaughterhouse verse he has. He's a rapper I prefer to hear depth from. Yela is a rapper I'd prefer to here set up a hard hitting rapid fire verse. Especially on a track where that's all anyone else did. That's my problem with this verse, it was good but not great to me.

J4, can you re-write that Em part. I don't know what you mean.

Unless you mean that his recent album Recovery is better than Slim Shady, Marshall Mathers, and Eminem Show which is not even close.

My bad, I'll break it down like this...Recovery is easily Eminem's deepest album to date. It explores his personal life and struggle with drugs. It includes very powerful messages that are uplifting and even spiritual in a sense...but that **** is boring as hell unless you're specifically searching for rhyme scheming which he's become a genius at. I agree the album is weaker than those and lacks the replay value to be anything great.

Meanwhile, Slim Shady LP is my favorite album by him. It's probably his darkest album in my opinion. It has some songs that have depth but it includes cartoonish imagery and just rapping for rapping. Same with MM LP which is regarded as his best release. Those albums didn't need to be overly deep to be good because Em just rapped. I think that's the style I want to see from Yelawolf. Come in and recapture that technique where you can have messages but for the most part you're coming in as a "I don't give a damn who I'm impressing and I will crush you with style over substance" cat. It ain't hate, that's just always what I pictured Em grooming him to be.

And Yela already did this song. Don't mind him trying something different.

That's a good point. He shouldn't be at fault for trying something unique to his style. I didn't like it but I suppose I shouldn't fault him for switching it up. It's just not the direction I want to see him go in.

[Knicksfan20]

I called you ignorant because you did not hear the verse. You said it yourself.

Just because i could barley hear him...doesnt mean i didnt listen to what he said. I shouldnt have to jack up the sound to hear a person rap. I heard this song already on hiphopgame.com and didnt feel yelawolfs verse. After how great you said it was i gave it another 2 listens, and i am still unimpressed.

It wasnt a bad verse, but dont act like it is godly of anysort, because it wasnt.

[Fury]

I'm not saying Yela is like Mos Def or some ****. If he were to do songs with "depth", it's more Introspective, not as bitchy as Joe Budden (lol, I love Budden), but there is some layers there that he throws in each song. It's just not as explicit (like Andre 3000, I'm not saying he's at that level, but he should strive for that. And he's more of a storyteller (like Andre too). Yela makes the best music records, IMO, when comparing him to like Slaughterhouse. That's his strength. He does have style. That doesn't mean he doesn't have substance though.

Another thing, Marshall Mathers LP had a tooooooooooon of substance. There is a lot of social commentary on that. He's just funny about it. Slim Shady LP is more introspective, and Marshall Mathers has some of that but even more social commentary. It's probably my favorite Em album, though Eminem Show gives it a run for it's money.

Recovery is ok. It's too bland for me. I listened to it like 5 times the day it leaked lol. He needs to change his delivery. It's tiresome. And he does have some good songs like "Changes" but it's mostly hot air IMO, because he's just happy about making it through. And yeah he does have some good one liners though (cum back like nut on your spine/screaming attack like i just stepped on one) is crazy, but empty.

I called you ignorant because you did not hear the verse. You said it yourself.

Just because i could barley hear him...doesnt mean i didnt listen to what he said. I shouldnt have to jack up the sound to hear a person rap. I heard this song already on hiphopgame.com and didnt feel yelawolfs verse. After how great you said it was i gave it another 2 listens, and i am still unimpressed.

It wasnt a bad verse, but dont act like it is godly of anysort, because it wasnt.

I just said it was the best verse on the song.

[Knicksfan20]

If thats all you said thats fine. You can have your opinion. If you think his verse was the best, then i cant knock how you feel.

But IMO, Crooked I's was the best.


No harm in that right?

[Fury]

I said he was the 2nd best, so that's definitely arguable.

[j4remi]

I'm not saying Yela is like Mos Def or some ****. If he were to do songs with "depth", it's more Introspective, not as bitchy as Joe Budden (lol, I love Budden), but there is some layers there that he throws in each song. It's just not as explicit (like Andre 3000, I'm not saying he's at that level, but he should strive for that. And he's more of a storyteller (like Andre too). Yela makes the best music records, IMO, when comparing him to like Slaughterhouse. That's his strength. He does have style. That doesn't mean he doesn't have substance though.

Another thing, Marshall Mathers LP had a tooooooooooon of substance. There is a lot of social commentary on that. He's just funny about it. Slim Shady LP is more introspective, and Marshall Mathers has some of that but even more social commentary. It's probably my favorite Em album, though Eminem Show gives it a run for it's money.

Recovery is ok. It's too bland for me. I listened to it like 5 times the day it leaked lol. He needs to change his delivery. It's tiresome. And he does have some good songs like "Changes" but it's mostly hot air IMO, because he's just happy about making it through. And yeah he does have some good one liners though (cum back like nut on your spine/screaming attack like i just stepped on one) is crazy, but empty.

I called you ignorant because you did not hear the verse. You said it yourself.

Just because i could barley hear him...doesnt mean i didnt listen to what he said. I shouldnt have to jack up the sound to hear a person rap. I heard this song already on hiphopgame.com and didnt feel yelawolfs verse. After how great you said it was i gave it another 2 listens, and i am still unimpressed.

It wasnt a bad verse, but dont act like it is godly of anysort, because it wasnt.

I just said it was the best verse on the song.

I just didn't agree it was the best verse on the song.

In terms of MMLP's depth, there was a lot more Kill You and that I Was High When I Wrote This style than Stan ish. SSLP had introspective joints like If I Had, but Brain Damage, Shrooms and Just Don't Give A Fruck were more stand out joints. He was a GREAT storyteller back then too, which is a good fit for Yela. I actually don't disagree with anything you just posted besides most of Recovery being hot air. A lot of that album is both introspective and pushing a "you can make it" message in combination. Plus he has songs like Space Man (is it Bound) and Love the Way You Lie that are really intimate stories about relationships. It's really deep on a personal level.

I wouldn't mind Yela or anyone for that matter aiming at Andre...but I don't think anyone will ever be able to replicate what Andre has or come close. I think Yela could capture a lot of what made Em such a breath of fresh air.

[j4remi]

BTW, I'm with Crooked I being the best on the track...he KILLED THAT!

[NBA Fan 1234]

I wish Wayne wasn't in Drake's song, "The Motto." I've only listened to the remix with Tyga, but Drake's verse and Tyga's verses both blow Wayne's verse out of the water. Song without Wayne IMO would be better.

Tyga is the worst rapper of all time.....OF ALL TIME FAM!

I don't think he's that bad . I've definitely heard worse. Flynt Flossy, Lil B, and Soulja Boy come to mind.

[Knicksfan20]

Not tryin to argue, and im not saying im right and your wrong. Just stating the fact that we are allowed our seperate opinions.

Yelawolfs verse was pretty good, and after giving it another listen through, i do like it more. But i still gotta say that Crooked I ripped it.

2nd place would go between Joey/Yela and possibly Joel.

Royce and Ti came weak IMO.

[Fury]

TI was pretty lazy on this. He sounded cool though but mad lazy.

Royce sounded like he was just hyping the song for everyone else. Joell did aight. I don't like it when Joey raps like that. But he's trying something new.

[StumptheSlob]

I'm just listening to Dreamchasers now and it's really good. This is coming from someone who doesn't really listen to Meek Mill either.

[j4remi]

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I like this

[MoCapone]

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enjoyin this ambition album, wale goin in

[Bigmo5246]

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This goes HAM

[NBA Fan 1234]

Omen's whole mixtape is really good. The Childish Gambino cd is also really good.