2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

gaspar · Post #1101 » by **gaspar** » Thu Nov 3, 2011 9:38 pm

Salted Meat wrote:
Toronto trades
Andrea Bargnani
Leandro Barbosa

to Phoenix for

Jared Dudley
Channing Frye
Josh Childress
Suns 2012 1st round pick
option to swap picks in 2013

Is that more appealing to the Suns?

Absolutely terrible. No way you are getting 2012 lottery pick for Bargnani!

Rapsfan07 · Post #1102 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Nov 3, 2011 9:45 pm

gaspar wrote:
Salted Meat wrote:
Toronto trades
Andrea Bargnani
Leandro Barbosa

to Phoenix for

Jared Dudley
Channing Frye
Josh Childress
Suns 2012 1st round pick
option to swap picks in 2013

Is that more appealing to the Suns?

Absolutely terrible. No way you are getting 2012 lottery pick for Bargnani!

After we send that kind of package, PHX better send the 2012 pick in a silver platter and a golden spoon. This trade is horrible for us. Too much salary for mediocre players. We'd be stuck in mediocrity for years. We're sending two assets that have market value for crap and a pick? No thanks.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1103 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 3, 2011 9:48 pm

They like Dudley a lot, I don't see them giving him up in this type of trade. I think they'd do the original trade, but modified to give Phoenix the pick swap option in 2013... but then I wouldn't want to do it from a Raps perspective, especially if the age limit changes and all of these freshmen prospects we're hoping to get this year end up in the next draft.

billy_hoyle · Post #1104 » by **billy_hoyle** » Fri Nov 4, 2011 12:29 am

Thanks for the replies.

Ya I wouldn't do the trade if the age limit were changed. If the inability to amnesty players that weren't on the roster prior to the expiration of the previous CBA was indeed a caveat, then that would torpedo the trade. But then what would the point in holding on to amnesty be? Just to wait for less years to pay off on a contract already on the team? That doesn't seem that advantagous to teams that had great cap situations prior to the lock out.

I like the Lopez Pietrus trade more than the one I proposed but I think it's less likely they'd bite since they'd have essentially 15 - 16 mill tied into offensive floor spacing power forwards in Frye and Bargs and still have Childress on their roster. The trade with Barbosa included I also like more as I actually like Dudley and the blurs not part of the rebuild anyway. Just spit balling here, trying to get another potential 2012 lotto pick. Gonna be hard to do I think.

NH · Post #1105 » by NH » Fri Nov 4, 2011 12:38 am

The Suns have no need for Bargnani because they have Frye who does pretty much everything Bargnani does. If anything, perhaps they may want Barbosa or Amir Johnson. I think the Suns are not a very good trade partner. Our only real trade chips to any team are Barbosa and Ed Davis. Maybe Bargnani depending on the team.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1106 » by **Rapsfan07** » Fri Nov 4, 2011 2:50 am

NH wrote:The Suns have no need for Bargnani because they have Frye who does pretty much everything Bargnani does. If anything, perhaps they may want Barbosa or Amir Johnson. I think the Suns are not a very good trade partner. Our only real trade chips to any team are Barbosa and Ed Davis. Maybe Bargnani depending on the team.

Bargs is the one that needs to be moved the most. If in fact we are allowed to hold on to the amnesty clause then I'd take on Childress. :cry:

DreamTeam09 · Post #1107 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 12:34 am

The suns could make decent partners with us if they were willing to let go a pick. I'd do something that revolves around Lopez + 2012 pick for Ed Davis. (Go ahead and flame) My reason is we get a serviceable back-up / starting big plus a pick. I'd trade barbosa back to them for some cap relief or something. They dont have a need for bargs I don't think, Ed davis they could use to rebuild with...

JamesNaismith · Post #1108 » by **JamesNaismith** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 1:53 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:The suns could make decent partners with us if they were willing to let go a pick. I'd do something that revolves around Lopez + 2012 pick for Ed Davis. (Go ahead and flame) My reason is we get a serviceable back-up / starting big plus a pick. I'd trade barbosa back to them for some cap relief or something. They dont have a need for bargs I don't think, Ed davis they could use to rebuild with...

I would do that trade.

gaspar · Post #1109 » by **gaspar** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 7:24 am

DreamTeam09 wrote:The suns could make decent partners with us if they were willing to let go a pick. I'd do something that revolves around Lopez + 2012 pick for Ed Davis. (Go ahead and flame) My reason is we get a serviceable back-up / starting big plus a pick. I'd trade barbosa back to them for some cap relief or something. They dont have a need for bargs I don't think, Ed davis they could use to rebuild with...

The Suns don't need Ed Davis nor Bargnani. We already have 4 PFs on our roster. Morris (or Lawal) may be as good as Ed. Who knows? Lopez was bad last season but he's still young and has some potential. Adding 2012 lottery pick is a big overpay for Ed Davis.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1110 » by **Rapsfan07** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 7:27 am

JamesNaismith wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:The suns could make decent partners with us if they were willing to let go a pick. I'd do something that revolves around Lopez + 2012 pick for Ed Davis. (Go ahead and flame) My reason is we get a serviceable back-up / starting big plus a pick. I'd trade barbosa back to them for some cap relief or something. They dont have a need for bargs I don't think, Ed davis they could use to rebuild with...

I would do that trade.

I think I could live with it too if the pick is top 5 protected. Then we can trade Bargs to Orlando or something or even Milwaukee and take a bad contract that we can amnesty

DreamTeam09 · Post #1111 » by **DreamTeam09** » Sat Nov 5, 2011 7:01 pm

gaspar wrote:
DreamTeam09 wrote:The suns could make decent partners with us if they were willing to let go a pick. I'd do something that revolves around Lopez + 2012 pick for Ed Davis. (Go ahead and flame) My reason is we get a serviceable back-up / starting big plus a pick. I'd trade barbosa back to them for some cap relief or something. They dont have a need for bargs I don't think, Ed davis they could use to rebuild with...

The Suns don't need Ed Davis nor Bargnani. We already have 4 PFs on our roster. Morris (or Lawal) may be as good as Ed. Who knows? Lopez was bad last season but he's still young and has some potential. Adding 2012 lottery pick is a big overpay for Ed Davis.

Morris or Lawal do not project as high as Ed Davis does. No way thats possible @ the moment. Adding a pick for him might be a reach, but I would assume he'd be the best big over there. Especially if you are shipping lopez back out.

Twoism · Post #1112 » by **Twoism** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 1:55 am

How many french in Toronto???

to Toronto: Parker, Bonner.

to San Antonio: Bayless, Bargnani, 2013 pick top 10 protected.

Raptorts have got an All Star in a flat spot, European as Colangelo likes, plus a rotation big man who can hits from 3 point.

San Antonio continues to add as usual new pieces while remaining a contender. Il Mago can enjoy the warm and a "discreet" protection behind his shoulders.

Now we can pick a SF and start with Ed David at PF or pick a PF and sign a SF free agent (Batum or Chandler, i don't think Green and Young will change team).

Parker / Calderon
DeRozan / 2nd round pick
Batum /Kleiza / JJ
Drummond or Anthony Davis (for example) / Davis
Valanciunas / Amir / Bonner

SA

Bayless / Joseph
Ginobili / Neal /Anderson
Jefferson / Leonard
Bargnani /Blair
Duncan /McDyess / Splitter

witnessraps · Post #1113 » by **witnessraps** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 2:41 am

I think the value is there from the Raps without the pick at all, just Bargs and JB for TP and Bonner. I'd do that.

doudoub · Post #1114 » by **doudoub** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 5:08 am

kleiza+weems 4 vc

damn i dont even know whos in our team anymore

witnessraps · Post #1115 » by **witnessraps** » Sun Nov 6, 2011 9:30 am

I'd be very interested in Kyle Lowry from the rockets....if there was any way to get him without giving up Val/DeMar/2012. Guy is a really good distributor, beast defender. If we get a top SF prospect, or get a solid SF by other means, I think Lowry's a great fit.

JamesNaismith · Post #1116 » by **JamesNaismith** » Mon Nov 7, 2011 7:32 pm

Twoism wrote:How many french in Toronto???

to Toronto: Parker, Bonner.

to San Antonio: Bayless, Bargnani, 2013 pick top 10 protected.

Raptorts have got an All Star in a flat spot, European as Colangelo likes, plus a rotation big man who can hits from 3 point.

San Antonio continues to add as usual new pieces while remaining a contender. Il Mago can enjoy the warm and a "discreet" protection behind his shoulders.

Now we can pick a SF and start with Ed David at PF or pick a PF and sign a SF free agent (Batum or Chandler, i don't think Green and Young will change team).

Parker / Calderon
DeRozan / 2nd round pick
Batum /Kleiza / JJ
Drummond or Anthony Davis (for example) / Davis
Valanciunas / Amir / Bonner

SA

Bayless / Joseph
Ginobili / Neal /Anderson
Jefferson / Leonard
Bargnani /Blair
Duncan /McDyess / Splitter

Don't mind the SAS trade if we make that pick lotto protected and I have no interest in clogging up the SF; believe me love Batum but 1) I don't think he will be available 2) our pick will most likely be a SF (also one with a higher ceiling then Batum or Chandler)

RocLaFamilia · Post #1117 » by **RocLaFamilia** » Tue Nov 8, 2011 12:38 am

witnessraps wrote:I'd be very interested in Kyle Lowry from the rockets....if there was any way to get him without giving up Val/DeMar/2012. Guy is a really good distributor, beast defender. If we get a top SF prospect, or get a solid SF by other means, I think Lowry's a great fit.

THANKKKK YOU, I've been on this guy all year. He needs to be on the Raps. I had this guy in my Fantasy League, he was a consistent 4 category guy (AS, ST, RB, BK). His points varied, but dropped some big games with 3 bombs. And he is still fairly young if I am not mistaken.

DRK · Post #1118 » by **DRK** » Tue Nov 8, 2011 12:36 pm

Salted Meat wrote:
bboyskinnylegs wrote:I'd do that trade, I don't think Phoenix would accept. To them, the difference between Frye and Bargs wouldn't be worth giving up their 2012 pick, even if we take Childress off their hands.

What if the trade were modified to be:

Toronto trades
Andrea Bargnani
Leandro Barbosa

to Phoenix for

Jared Dudley
Channing Frye
Josh Childress
Suns 2012 1st round pick
option to swap picks in 2013

Do we take on too much salary? The option to amnesty Childress is still there, and we can keep Frye and Dudley, who would be great as a combo SG/SF behind DeRozan and Johnson. Leandro comes off the books at the end of the season, saving Sarver's Suns a pretty penny. We get another draft pick for our troubles, and an option to move up in the 2013 draft as well.

Is that more appealing to the Suns?

Sorry, Dudley sin't going anywhere. Most likely will be starting next year is VC is bought out. Frye is a big part of our offence because of his ability to shoot the three, and, he can actually rebound.

The 2012 Pick isn't going anywhere.

As a Suns fan I wouldnt trade Bargnani for Dudley straight up.

Sorry. Its a big no from Phoenix.

Post #1119 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Wed Nov 9, 2011 11:41 pm

witnessraps wrote:I'd be very interested in Kyle Lowry from the rockets....if there was any way to get him without giving up Val/DeMar/2012. Guy is a really good distributor, beast defender. If we get a top SF prospect, or get a solid SF by other means, I think Lowry's a great fit.

Man is there was a way to get him without moving your untouchables I would take it and run. Lowry looks like a classic floor general, the guy I belive is a top 5 defender at his position and a decent assist man. He will not get you the assist numbers as Nash, Paul, D-Will, Calderon and guys like that but he's a solid 6 apg guy and I feel is a very under looked/valued PG across this league. He would fit the Casey mold here.

The Suns package where we have us sending Bargs + for Chilldress, Warrick, Dudley just for their pick (lotto protected) is beyond trash it's never a good idea to take on that much useless salary when were just one real good piece away from competing. Also the amnesty clause doesn't effect guys like Chill/Warrick...etc they could be cut but by the Suns from what I read and understand the new amnesty can only be used on contracts on your books as of July 1st. I still think trading Ed + 2013's top 10 protected pick for another early and I mean top 10 2012 pick on draft night is the best thing if we land Drummond and are looking for a swing man i.e. Barnes or Miller. If not I would look to move Davis for a lotto pick in the mid teens for Gillchrist if he's there.

JamesNaismith · Post #1120 » by **JamesNaismith** » Thu Nov 10, 2011 3:50 am

^^We've pretty much echoed each other with that idea (Davis + pick for Miller or Barnes) but I would actually be willing to give up Davis for Gilchrist straight up IF we landed Drummond.