2012 Ask Jeff Risdon a Question

JustBlaze · Post #81 » by **JustBlaze** » Sat Nov 12, 2011 12:18 am

Jeff,

What happened to Nate Potter out of Boise State? I thought I remembered seeing him projected as a 1st/early 2nd round pick. Didn't see him in the Mock today or the top 103 list

Post #82 » by **Da Schwab** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 7:48 pm

Who is stupid enough to draft Brandon Weeden?

Post #83 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:10 pm

JustBlaze wrote:Jeff,

What happened to Nate Potter out of Boise State? I thought I remembered seeing him projected as a 1st/early 2nd round pick. Didn't see him in the Mock today or the top 103 list

I'm not crazy about him. He's high-cut for a lineman and doesn't get great bend or flexibility. He's playing at about 290 and that's too light for the NFL. I don't think he can bulk up to over 300 without sacrificing his open field run blocking ability, which is his best attribute. I see him 4th/5th round. Some see him as a potential guard because his edge footwork isn't great, but IMO his lack of lower-body bulk will get him killed inside.

Post #84 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:14 pm

Da Schwab wrote:Who is stupid enough to draft Brandon Weeden?

I'll answer it this way.

Scouts in attendance at the OK State/TAMU game:
ATL, GB, CHI, WAS, CLE, DAL, MIA, DEN (Elway was there too), PHI, IND, TEN, I think one NE guy was there, and Scot Pioli from KC was there and dined with OK State people the night before.

Obviously not all those teams were there for QBs, but I can tell you firsthand that when you're scouting a game in person it's very easy to focus hard on the QB.

Post #85 » by **Da Schwab** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:22 pm

I saw that you have him going in the 2nd to the Niners, but from a GMs point of view, I couldn't imagine drafting a 28 year old guy and throwing a few million at him.

Post #86 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 13, 2011 8:32 pm

Da Schwab wrote:I saw that you have him going in the 2nd to the Niners, but from a GMs point of view, I couldn't imagine drafting a 28 year old guy and throwing a few million at him.

That's the conundrum. He's got great maturity and can make all the throws, but if he's not immediately a good starter, what do you do with him? You've got a highly compensated inexperienced backup QB. John Beck had the same problem and he was a year younger. Of course almost everyone knew he sucked coming out.

Taking age out of the equation Weeden would be my #2 QB in this draft. But he's essentially got zero upside from what he is already.

Post #87 » by **studcrackers** » Mon Nov 14, 2011 1:33 am

Da Schwab wrote:I saw that you have him going in the 2nd to the Niners, but from a GMs point of view, I couldn't imagine drafting a 28 year old guy and throwing a few million at him.

i know his age is a red flag but he has a f*cking cannon and he makes you pay everytime he's given time. tack on that is he's not afraid to throw into coverage, he's very confident in himself. you draft him you're not gonna get one of those pussy qb's who check down every other pass (hi colt mccoy)

Post #88 » by **TyCobb** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 5:41 pm

D.C. Jefferson

Wow. Dude is a beast. What are your thoughts on him?

hermes · Post #89 » by **hermes** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 9:27 pm

jeff,

what are your thoughts on Broderick Binns and Mike Daniels, iowa d-linemen? can they make it in the nfl?

SpeedyG · Post #90 » by **SpeedyG** » Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:39 pm

Ic,

What are your thoughts on Cecil Shorts of the Jags? I know you spoke somewhat highly of him and thought he'd emerged as the Jags #2 WR by end of this season. Those in the organization thought that was possible during camp also. Then the season hit and this guy looked LOST (both in PR and as WR).

WAYSA · Post #91 » by **WAYSA** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 3:08 am

Whitney Mercilus - DE - Illinois

Most underrated prospect in the country? Another sack fumble today. He is quite the terror off the edge.

First round pick? Or a 2nd round guy?

Post #92 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:50 am

Mercilus is probably a 2nd rounder, could work his way up on the postseason workout circuit. He's pretty unknown by most fans but he was fairly high on the preseason scouting charts, in the 75-100 range and he's outplayed those expectations. Love his break off the snap and his closing burst, how he finishes right at elbow level and under control at full speed.

Post #93 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:53 am

SpeedyG wrote:Ic,

What are your thoughts on Cecil Shorts of the Jags? I know you spoke somewhat highly of him and thought he'd emerged as the Jags #2 WR by end of this season. Those in the organization thought that was possible during camp also. Then the season hit and this guy looked LOST (both in PR and as WR).

Missing the summer (lockout) was brutal on him. The Jags offensive coaching staff has not done a good job working with him either. He's basically a deep threat only on a team that doesn't have a QB that can go deep or an OL that allows long patterns to develop. He'll be better next year, but I've not liked what I've seen either. IMO they never should have had him doing returns and working on the offense, too much to absorb.

Post #94 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 4:58 am

TyCobb wrote:D.C. Jefferson

Wow. Dude is a beast. What are your thoughts on him?

Watched a lot of that game today for some reason. He was a monster with that stiff arm but he left the stadium on crutches. I expect him to go back to school, esp. if he's hurt the rest of the year. He's got some K2 to his game, real physically nasty but nifty with his feet and not a great blocker for being so physical.

Post #95 » by **Icness** » Sun Nov 20, 2011 5:04 am

hermes wrote:jeff,

what are your thoughts on Broderick Binns and Mike Daniels, iowa d-linemen? can they make it in the nfl?

Binns is a 3rd/4th rounder, although if Jonas Mouton can go in the 2nd he could too. Seems like a DE/OLB tweener but I like him as a 4-3 LDE, has some Brian Robison to him.

Daniels is a toughie. I don't like his body, he's not real consistent with his quickness, but he produces and opposing linemen talk him up highly. He's a late rounder that will probably have to bulk up to 295 and play inside, but I wouldn't write him off.

ohara · Post #96 » by **ohara** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 12:26 am

Right now, it looks like the Panthers will have a pick somewhere between #2 and #5. They have the QB, 2 RB's and a few players on Defense to build around. Right now, if they had a pick, I dont know if I'd want Kalil (OT) to bolster the OL, Claiborne (CB) to instantly upgrade the Defense 2ndary, or Blackmon to let him take some pressure off of Steve Smith and let Smith groom him to be the go-to guy for Cam in the future. But as they need a lot of help, I think I'd likely be for trying to work a trade with CLE or CIN for their 2 1st round picks in exchange for the one in the Top 5. Really depends on where their 2 picks end up to see if it works out. I think Claiborne would be my 2nd preference, Kalil my 3rd and Blackmon my 4th. But I am really torn on taking Claiborne over Kalil if both were available. Kalil and Jordan Gross at tackles would be great, especially since it appears Jeff Otah will never be healthy enough again to play a quality OT position.

Post #97 » by **Icness** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:01 am

If I were Marty Hurney I would take Claiborne. The goal is to get better than the Falcons and Saints and the current secondary is not up to the task. This guy is better in coverage than Patrick Peterson and he makes plays. They'll have to teach him not to try and intercept every ball, but Chris Gamble was the same way once upon a time. He actually reminds me of Gamble when he came out, only a little better in lateral agility.

I think with a full offseason Byron Bell can emerge as a decent right tackle, at worst a good swing backup guy. He was working with the 3s until the 3rd preseason game so he's had very little prep. I would cut losses with Otah and hope somebody else thinks he's worth a 4th round pick. Having the Kalils up front would be intriguing though.

They're in an ideal spot to trade back, esp. if the quarterbacks (Jones, Tannehill, Barkley, RG3) all show well in the postseason workout circuit. You should hope that one of those guys clearly separates from the others and will be a guy teams covet enough to move up a few spots. I think either Barkley or Griffin can be that guy, and a team like Washington or KC or Seattle will want to jump up. I still am not high on Barkley even after what he's done the last couple of weeks, though I've seen some things I do really like.

ohara · Post #98 » by **ohara** » Tue Nov 22, 2011 2:57 am

^^Really good analysis. Panthers do seem quite high on Bell at RT. Think he was actually undrafted, and here he is starting now. Does seem to hold his own OK, but a good number of holding penalties in his starts so far. But hopefully that gets remedied with time. Although Kalil would be awesome, I do tend to think you are right about Claiborne being the best option. But you never know who will pay a KIng's ransom for a pick if they covet a player in the Top 5. Crazy things can happen.

Dalbi · Post #99 » by **Dalbi** » Wed Nov 23, 2011 10:27 pm

Before this year, I felt the 49ers had a decent amount of holes needed to be filled. Now that they are winning with the talent they have they don't have any pressing needs. What positions do you think they look at and who at those positions will be available at the end of round one.

Jaruff · Post #100 » by **Jaruff** » Thu Nov 24, 2011 1:08 am

Icness wrote:If I were Marty Hurney I would take Claiborne. The goal is to get better than the Falcons and Saints and the current secondary is not up to the task. This guy is better in coverage than Patrick Peterson and he makes plays. They'll have to teach him not to try and intercept every ball, but Chris Gamble was the same way once upon a time. He actually reminds me of Gamble when he came out, only a little better in lateral agility.

I think with a full offseason Byron Bell can emerge as a decent right tackle, at worst a good swing backup guy. He was working with the 3s until the 3rd preseason game so he's had very little prep. I would cut losses with Otah and hope somebody else thinks he's worth a 4th round pick. Having the Kalils up front would be intriguing though.

They're in an ideal spot to trade back, esp. if the quarterbacks (Jones, Tannehill, Barkley, RG3) all show well in the postseason workout circuit. You should hope that one of those guys clearly separates from the others and will be a guy teams covet enough to move up a few spots. I think either Barkley or Griffin can be that guy, and a team like Washington or KC or Seattle will want to jump up. I still am not high on Barkley even after what he's done the last couple of weeks, though I've seen some things I do really like.

Let me ask you this; what would the asking price be for one of those QB's this year? Would someone be crazy enough to give up a Julio Jones package for the one that takes the crown? For us, I think the major issue right now is depth. I'd much rather have several additional picks than a top 5-10 unless there's a special talent available.