Who's side are you on? (Lockout)

[C Court]

Wonder how many jerseys are sold each year with the names of the top teachers in the world?

I wonder how many teachers travel the country first class, at their employers' expense. Or get $500,000+ jobs after one year of college.

Zero because they don't generate $4 billion in annual revenue which allows those perks.

How many Hollywood stars travel first class at their studio's expense or get $500,000+ per film/tv show after no years in college?

[Duffman100]

stop giving millions to bench players

Hence we need a better system to prevent the owner overpaying the players.

A central nervous system? A brain and spine?

The issue is that with the current system, teams are forced to take ridiculous risks to contend. A lot of those times, the risks don't pan out.

If the Hawks don't pay Joe Johnson 100 million, someone else will. So they have to, knowing that'll probably bite them in the ass in the end.

[MEDIC]

Wonder how many jerseys are sold each year with the names of the top teachers in the world?

I wonder how much money Patrick O'Bryant generated in jersey sales?

As one of the bottom players in the NBA, he sold more jerseys than all the teachers in North America combined!

LOL. You got me there.

[keith16]

People keep complaining about team mismanagement and handing out terrible contracts, but even with those contracts the owners still fell short of the 57% that they owed the players and had to cut the union a check last year to make up for the difference. A team giving out bad contracts may explain how the losses are distributed among the teams, but it doesn't explain how the league is losing money as a whole.

Having said that, the owners have made idiotic proposals right from the start. They say that they're losing $300 million/year yet they start off by asking for more than twice that. No wonder it's day 137 of the lockout.

[witnessraps]

Completely against the NBAPA and Billy Hunter's a douche...

[arbsn]

i wonder who's getting the $ from all the current jersey sales...

[FluLikeSymptoms]

People keep complaining about team mismanagement and handing out terrible contracts, but even with those contracts the owners still fell short of the 57% that they owed the players and had to cut the union a check last year to make up for the difference. A team giving out bad contracts may explain how the losses are distributed among the teams, but it doesn't explain how the league is losing money as a whole.

Having said that, the owners have made idiotic proposals right from the start. They say that they're losing $300 million/year yet they start off by asking for more than twice that. No wonder it's day 137 of the lockout.

100K per player... Each team had to pay, what, 1.5 mil tops? It's about poor teams filling up their cap with the wrong players and not even getting better, losing games, losing fans and star players then crying foul about running at a loss, even though lousy teams keep selling and selling well above their appraised value. Owners are whining about money they spend to generate the BRI and conveniently ignore the back end.

And if you want to adjust the BRI, fine, but make concessions in return. That's how the world works. The owners are trying to flip the chessboard.

[xAIRNESSx]

Don't really understand how anyone can side with the players. They will get a "good" deal regardless. And since the owners are willing to sacrifice the season due to system issues, I tend to believe that they are losing money. It's not as if billionaire's are lining up left and right to buy a money losing NBA team either.

Sucks as an NBA fan. Last year was such a compelling season too. Hopefully we don't get screwed on the draft somehow.

[keith16]

People keep complaining about team mismanagement and handing out terrible contracts, but even with those contracts the owners still fell short of the 57% that they owed the players and had to cut the union a check last year to make up for the difference. A team giving out bad contracts may explain how the losses are distributed among the teams, but it doesn't explain how the league is losing money as a whole.

Having said that, the owners have made idiotic proposals right from the start. They say that they're losing $300 million/year yet they start off by asking for more than twice that. No wonder it's day 137 of the lockout.

100K per player... Each team had to pay, what, 1.5 mil tops? It's about poor teams filling up their cap with the wrong players and not even getting better, losing games, losing fans and star players then crying foul about running at a loss, even though lousy teams keep selling and selling well above their appraised value. Owners are whining about money they spend to generate the BRI and conveniently ignore the back end.

And if you want to adjust the BRI, fine, but make concessions in return. That's how the world works. The owners are trying to flip the chessboard.

For every winner there is a loser. Some teams are going to be bad and lose fans, it has been that way forever. It doesn't explain why the league as a whole is losing money. For every 20 win team losing fans there is a 50 win team gaining them, and the league is as popular as ever.

The players blame the loss of fans/revenue on teams that make mistakes yet they will do nothing to assist the owners in creating a more competitively balanced system. More parity means there is a higher likelihood that teams like the Kings don't suck for seven years in a row and lose fans and revenue in the process. But the players don't want a hard cap, they don't want a hard lux tax, they want the best teams to be able to keep signing MLE players for their full value, etc. Why? Because it's so terrible that a guy have to choose between his #1 destination for $3 million/year and his #2 or #3 for $5 million per?

As for the concessions, the owners made theirs' the last CBA. The $300 million/year in player give backs? Well that is what the league has been losing every year over the course of the previous CBA. Don't look at it as a give back, look at it as a return to what it should be.

[Raps in 4]

Any Raptor fan should be on the side of the NBA as they actually want parity. If you support the players, prepare for another 15 years of cellar dwelling for our team, with the Lakers and Heat splitting the next 14 out of 15 championships (with the Celtics winning the other one).

[raptor95]

im dont feel sorry for the players at all, what is in minimum salery in the NBA? well last season a player with 0 years playing experince recived a contract worth $473,604
here is a table real quick:2010-11

years in
service:
0 473,604
1 762,195
2 854,389
3 885,120
4 915,852
5 992,680
6 1,069,509
7 1,146,337
8 1,223,166
9 1,229,255
10+ 1,352,181

now if i made $473,000 this year just to play ball I would be happy, and I remember seeing some
of the players saying how hard it was growing up with no money and how there parents
would have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by
...

This argument, just looking at player's salaries and saying they are too high, is way too simplistic.

So what if a zero-year player makes just under $500k. If you were approximately top-500 in the world at something as lucrative as basketball, you better hope you'd be paid at least that much. What do you think the top 500 bankers, investors, doctors, etc. make in the world? It's a whole lot more than that figure.

Looking at players salaries only makes sense in the context of the NBA as a business, seeing it's total revenues, profitability, etc. - that's why you see them discussing %'s (BRI) and not whole numbers.

if that's the case, well I now see the NBA as capitolistic, **** is way out of controll
and it is stuff like this is what started occupy wallstreet

[YogiStewart]

im dont feel sorry for the players at all, what is in minimum salery in the NBA? well last season a player with 0 years playing experince recived a contract worth $473,604
here is a table real quick:2010-11

years in
service:
0 473,604
1 762,195
2 854,389
3 885,120
4 915,852
5 992,680
6 1,069,509
7 1,146,337
8 1,223,166
9 1,229,255
10+ 1,352,181

now if i made $473,000 this year just to play ball I would be happy, and I remember seeing some
of the players saying how hard it was growing up with no money and how there parents
would have to work 2 or 3 jobs just to get by
...

This argument, just looking at player's salaries and saying they are too high, is way too simplistic.

So what if a zero-year player makes just under $500k. If you were approximately top-500 in the world at something as lucrative as basketball, you better hope you'd be paid at least that much. What do you think the top 500 bankers, investors, doctors, etc. make in the world? It's a whole lot more than that figure.

the top bankers still pass on the majority of profits to their banks.
the top actors are paid that much so the studio can reap the financial reward from taking the risk.
You land a top doctor so you can increase your donation or funding dollars, which will exceed his/her salary.
Owners owner and players play.

[J-Roc]

The issue is that with the current system, teams are forced to take ridiculous risks to contend. A lot of those times, the risks don't pan out.

And those risks are taken by GM's, who are playing with someone else's money.

Pro sports in general need unguaranteed contracts.

[Fairview4Life]

Any Raptor fan should be on the side of the NBA as they actually want parity.

But they don't want that, and this deal does not create that at all.

[Coach Smiley]

fck Cleveland Cavaliers, Milwaukee Bucks, Atlanta Hawks, etc. etc. if you can't sell tickets and turn a profit in a billion dollar industry then GTFO

[clewis13]

I would like a system where the viewers get paid to watch.

brilliant!!

wait, i think that aussie dude in mulwalkie talkie had to pay fans to cheer! so it does exist!

[whoknows]

Why side with the players?
All they want is Max $$ for short term with no risk or investment on their side - just play the game you love. Many get huge signings and then coast (Hedo, VC, etc) for years or bitch and become locker-room cancers.
Owners have millions invested in the team and indirectly hire thousands of people to support a team while trying to compete in smaller markets.

No intelligent person should side with the players, especially if you are a Raps fans and know that Toronto has unfair disadvantage due to location outside USA. Although one of richest teams, Toronto has to overpay to attract decent players (no chance to get a FA superstar) and this is not going to change with present system in place.
A fair distribution of talent through the league has to be forced by contracts agreement as the league is planning (and union is opposing).

[DreamTeam09]

For the record, I'm on the owners side... I mean times have changed, the economy has changed drastically therefore system issues need to change. Less than 10 teams profit in a 30 league team, ofcourse the finances need to change. If system issues are the problems, isn't that unrelated to money.

[CeltsfanSinceBirth]

Competitive parity = the new "Weapons of Mass Destruction". The majority of this forum is just gobbling up this propaganda due to Chris Bosh leaving.

[ATLTimekeeper]

Competitive parity = the new "Weapons of Mass Destruction". The majority of this forum is just gobbling up this propaganda due to Chris Bosh leaving.

There seems to be widespread distaste for the players' cause, not just on this board.