2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

MaliBrah · Post #1141 » by **MaliBrah** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 4:44 am

cross our fingers that our pick is top 5 , and then cross our fingers we can trade for another lotto pick. Draft the BPA with our first pick then draft based on need with our second pick. This next draft can get us into contention in the near future if we play our cards right and the best thing about it would be we wouldnt have to play and lose games to get em picks 8-)

Rapsfan07 · Post #1142 » by **Rapsfan07** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:47 am

nmabdi28 wrote:cross our fingers that our pick is top 5 , and then cross our fingers we can trade for another lotto pick. Draft the BPA with our first pick then draft based on need with our second pick. This next draft can get us into contention in the near future if we play our cards right and the best thing about it would be we wouldnt have to play and lose games to get em picks

Well that depends on how the lottery is conducted if there isn't going to be a season. We could actually end up with a worse pick than we would have if we actually played the season. Again, it's going to depend on how the lottery is conducted.

I'm pretty confident that we can trade Ed Davis for a lotto pick but I'm just not sure where in the lotto that pick would be. If we want a prospect that is in the top half of the lotto, I think it could require a little more than that. For example, if we draft Davis or Drummond with our pick, you might have to tack on more if you want a guy like Barnes or Quincy.

But based on how Gilchrist projects, I think he can be had for Davis straight up,

MaliBrah · Post #1143 » by **MaliBrah** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:48 pm

in order to get davis or drummond we'd have to have a top 2 pick which is unlikely if we play season or if we sit out the season but we can hope! jared sullinger front court with val wouldnt be soo bad , and then trade for another pick to draft q miller/gilchrist/ or lamb even and move derozan to sf if thats possible?

bayless/calderon
Derozan(lamb)/barbosa
Miller(gilchrist) (Derozan)/Johnson
Sullinger/Bargnani
Valanciunas/Amir/Bargnani

but i'd rather anthony davis or drummond they can change our franchise for the next 10 years and lead us to the promised land!

Post #1144 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 6:38 pm

nmabdi28 wrote:in order to get davis or drummond we'd have to have a top 2 pick which is unlikely if we play season or if we sit out the season but we can hope! jared sullinger front court with val wouldnt be soo bad , and then trade for another pick to draft q miller/gilchrist/ or lamb even and move derozan to sf if thats possible?

bayless/calderon
Derozan(lamb)/barbosa
Miller(gilchrist) (Derozan)/Johnson
Sullinger/Bargnani
Valanciunas/Amir/Bargnani

but i'd rather anthony davis or drummond they can change our franchise for the next 10 years and lead us to the promised land!

Sullinger is no better then Davis I mean what he's a inch or two taller big deal. I don't see him as this great prospect people are making out to be esp if there is a guy like Banes or Miller on board first of all. If we get a top pick like I said I want Drummond here first and foremost the kid is a legit talent you don't pass up on. He has great potential and will make a nasty front court with Jonas V. If that happens you start trimming the glut at the PF spot i.e. Davis or Bargs (I keep Amir cause he's young and is a solid defender) and see what we could get as far as a pick for a SF or PG depending on how the chips fall.

bballsparkin · Post #1145 » by **bballsparkin** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:08 am

Sullinger is not the guy I'm hoping for. He can't even keep in shape now, wait til he gets a big contract. I like Barnes, but am intrigued by the new crop too. To the previous posts by Suns fans, I don't blame them for not wanting to trade their pick. It seems like the kind of draft that could potentially turn a team around. Which is why I would be disappointed walking away with Sullinger.

JamesNaismith · Post #1146 » by **JamesNaismith** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:32 am

Jared Sullinger :noway:

Rapsfan07 · Post #1147 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:41 am

I think Sullinger is underrated on here. He's the best post player in the country, IMO.

However, we don't need him here. We've got so many PFs it's unreal..if anything, we should be looking to move 1 or 2 of them.

The guy I want is Quincy Miller. Super talented and a natural leader. I think he's the whole package. But if we can snag Davis or Drummond then we gotta take him and deal Ed for another pick. If Kings are moving forward with Cousins (which they'd be crazy not to), we could sell them on a potential future frontcourt of Ed and Cousins (which would be awesome) and trade him for their pick to draft Quincy.

Post #1148 » by **Mr Swagtastic** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 7:15 pm

Rapsfan07 wrote:I think Sullinger is underrated on here. He's the best post player in the country, IMO.

However, we don't need him here. We've got so many PFs it's unreal..if anything, we should be looking to move 1 or 2 of them.

The guy I want is Quincy Miller. Super talented and a natural leader. I think he's the whole package. But if we can snag Davis or Drummond then we gotta take him and deal Ed for another pick. If Kings are moving forward with Cousins (which they'd be crazy not to), we could sell them on a potential future frontcourt of Ed and Cousins (which would be awesome) and trade him for their pick to draft Quincy.

Sullinger is not the best player in the country he's very good but I don't see him better then Anthony Davis, Miller, Barnes or Drummond IMHO.

Sullinger to me isn't the best defender in the world he's really good at a NCAA level but I don't see him being a super elite defender at the NBA level plus is he really better then Davis or Bargs to take a risk on him? I see him as quite average to below average really in the Kevin Love and Carlos Boozer mold. Sure he will get you boards and some low post buckets but I wouldn't pick him over Barnes/Gillchrist/Drummond/Davis/Miller or Marquis Teague. All of those guys fill needs here, Drummond is a beast of a prospect you don't pass on and I am warming to the idea of a Anthony Davis + Jonas V front court which would be nasty then moving Davis for something we meed i.e. a SF or PG.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1149 » by **Rapsfan07** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:41 pm

Mr Swagtastic wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:I think Sullinger is underrated on here. He's the best post player in the country, IMO.

However, we don't need him here. We've got so many PFs it's unreal..if anything, we should be looking to move 1 or 2 of them.

The guy I want is Quincy Miller. Super talented and a natural leader. I think he's the whole package. But if we can snag Davis or Drummond then we gotta take him and deal Ed for another pick. If Kings are moving forward with Cousins (which they'd be crazy not to), we could sell them on a potential future frontcourt of Ed and Cousins (which would be awesome) and trade him for their pick to draft Quincy.

Sullinger is not the best player in the country he's very good but I don't see him better then Anthony Davis, Miller, Barnes or Drummond IMHO.

Sullinger to me isn't the best defender in the world he's really good at a NCAA level but I don't see him being a super elite defender at the NBA level plus is he really better then Davis or Bargs to take a risk on him? I see him as quite average to below average really in the Kevin Love and Carlos Boozer mold. Sure he will get you boards and some low post buckets but I wouldn't pick him over Barnes/Gillchrist/Drummond/Davis/Miller or Marquis Teague. All of those guys fill needs here, Drummond is a beast of a prospect you don't pass on and I am warming to the idea of a Anthony Davis + Jonas V front court which would be nasty then moving Davis for something we meed i.e. a SF or PG.

I believe you misunderstood me. I said 'the best POST player in the country.

JamesNaismith · Post #1150 » by **JamesNaismith** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:51 am

Anthony Davis is already a better post player and Drummond will be.

Mr Swagtastic wrote:Drummond is a beast of a prospect you don't pass on and I am warming to the idea of a Anthony Davis + Jonas V front court which would be nasty then moving Davis for something we meed i.e. a SF or PG.

I'm feeling the same way....Davis just seems so damn impressive that if Drummond is off the board it would actually be tough for me to pick between him and Miller. He is easily ahead of Barnes for me at this point and he might surpass QMiller for me soon too if he just continues to beast through the season.

He just seems to scream franchise talent right now that regardless of how many PFs we have or holes at SF, I draft him and figure the rest out after. I'm pretty sure Ed + next year's pick top 10 protected can net a pretty damn good SF from somebody.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1151 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:11 am

JamesNaismith wrote:Anthony Davis is already a better post player and Drummond will be.

Mr Swagtastic wrote:Drummond is a beast of a prospect you don't pass on and I am warming to the idea of a Anthony Davis + Jonas V front court which would be nasty then moving Davis for something we meed i.e. a SF or PG.

I'm feeling the same way....Davis just seems so damn impressive that if Drummond is off the board it would actually be tough for me to pick between him and Miller. He is easily ahead of Barnes for me at this point and he might surpass QMiller for me soon too if he just continues to beast through the season.

He just seems to scream franchise talent right now that regardless of how many PFs we have or holes at SF, I draft him and figure the rest out after. I'm pretty sure Ed + next year's pick top 10 protected can net a pretty damn good SF from somebody.

Maybe Ed + 2013 top 10 protected to Sacramento for Miller?

Salted Meat · Post #1152 » by **Salted Meat** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 3:23 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:
JamesNaismith wrote:Anthony Davis is already a better post player and Drummond will be.

Mr Swagtastic wrote:Drummond is a beast of a prospect you don't pass on and I am warming to the idea of a Anthony Davis + Jonas V front court which would be nasty then moving Davis for something we meed i.e. a SF or PG.

I'm feeling the same way....Davis just seems so damn impressive that if Drummond is off the board it would actually be tough for me to pick between him and Miller. He is easily ahead of Barnes for me at this point and he might surpass QMiller for me soon too if he just continues to beast through the season.

He just seems to scream franchise talent right now that regardless of how many PFs we have or holes at SF, I draft him and figure the rest out after. I'm pretty sure Ed + next year's pick top 10 protected can net a pretty damn good SF from somebody.

Maybe Ed + 2013 top 10 protected to Sacramento for Miller?

Getting One of Davis/Drummond and one of Miller/Gilchrest would pretty much be the ideal draft night.

MaliBrah · Post #1153 » by **MaliBrah** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:10 am

we'd have to be in the top 2 to get drummond/davis and what are the odds of that if a season is canceled and if its played?

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1154 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:27 am

nmabdi28 wrote:we'd have to be in the top 2 to get drummond/davis and what are the odds of that if a season is canceled and if its played?

If the season is cancelled the odds are pretty low that we draft high. Our position would likely be somewhere between #5 and #8 in the lotto, depending on how much weight last season gets (that's assuming they use the records from the last 3 seasons-- if they go further back then it will look even worse). So that gives us anywhere from a 6.1% (#5 slot) to 18.5% (#8 slot) shot at a top-2 pick, assuming the lottery is conducted the same way. Not the best odds imo.

If we play the season... well, I think we have a good shot at earning a better slot draft-wise.

Rapsfan07 · Post #1155 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:31 am

Last three seasons is a foolish way to construct the lottery. A lot changes in 3 seasons. A whole lot. They should just use the same records as last year. Anybody who has the power to object that should have been doing their part to ensure that a season was played this year. It's pretty simple to me.

bboyskinnylegs · Post #1156 » by **bboyskinnylegs** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:44 am

Rapsfan07 wrote:Last three seasons is a foolish way to construct the lottery. A lot changes in 3 seasons. A whole lot. They should just use the same records as last year. Anybody who has the power to object that should have been doing their part to ensure that a season was played this year. It's pretty simple to me.

well, I certainly hope it plays out like that, but I'm doubtful-- I don't think they'll let teams get double the reward for the same crappy season. Perhaps if they change the lotto odds to make things a bit more even?

I hope that union proposal to give lotto teams two 1st rounders flies though. I love the prospect of landing a PF/SF with our high lotto pick, as well as a PG (Kabongo/Wroten/Teague?) with a mid-1st. I think we could really turn things around then in this draft.

Actually, if that were to happen, and we're super lucky enough to be able to draft Davis/Drummond with our own pick.... then I'd definitely do that Ed+2013 for 2012 pick deal...

Jonas
(Drummond/Davis)
(Miller/Gilchrist/Barnes)
DeMar
(Kabongo/Wroten/Teague)

8-)

MaliBrah · Post #1157 » by **MaliBrah** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 4:58 am

dont know man we deserve draft luck after the whole iverson expansion draft thing, after the age limit thing that didnt let us get durant or oden. Please let us land the 1 or 2!

Rapsfan07 · Post #1158 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:00 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Last three seasons is a foolish way to construct the lottery. A lot changes in 3 seasons. A whole lot. They should just use the same records as last year. Anybody who has the power to object that should have been doing their part to ensure that a season was played this year. It's pretty simple to me.

well, I certainly hope it plays out like that, but I'm doubtful-- I don't think they'll let teams get double the reward for the same crappy season. Perhaps if they change the lotto odds to make things a bit more even?

I hope that union proposal to give lotto teams two 1st rounders flies though. I love the prospect of landing a PF/SF with our high lotto pick, as well as a PG (Kabongo/Wroten/Teague?) with a mid-1st. I think we could really turn things around then in this draft.

Actually, if that were to happen, and we're super lucky enough to be able to draft Davis/Drummond with our own pick.... then I'd definitely do that Ed+2013 for 2012 pick deal...

Jonas
(Drummond/Davis)
(Miller/Gilchrist/Barnes)
DeMar
(Kabongo/Wroten/Teague)

Rapsfan07 · Post #1159 » by **Rapsfan07** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:01 am

bboyskinnylegs wrote:
Rapsfan07 wrote:Last three seasons is a foolish way to construct the lottery. A lot changes in 3 seasons. A whole lot. They should just use the same records as last year. Anybody who has the power to object that should have been doing their part to ensure that a season was played this year. It's pretty simple to me.

well, I certainly hope it plays out like that, but I'm doubtful-- I don't think they'll let teams get double the reward for the same crappy season. Perhaps if they change the lotto odds to make things a bit more even?

I hope that union proposal to give lotto teams two 1st rounders flies though. I love the prospect of landing a PF/SF with our high lotto pick, as well as a PG (Kabongo/Wroten/Teague?) with a mid-1st. I think we could really turn things around then in this draft.

Actually, if that were to happen, and we're super lucky enough to be able to draft Davis/Drummond with our own pick.... then I'd definitely do that Ed+2013 for 2012 pick deal...

Who's this "they" you're referring to? If they cared about "doubling rewards for crappy seasons" then why didn't the get the CBA done?

Jonas
(Drummond/Davis)
(Miller/Gilchrist/Barnes)
DeMar
(Kabongo/Wroten/Teague)

Who's this "they" you're referring to? If they cared about "doubling rewards for crappy seasons" then why didn't the get the CBA done?

JamesNaismith · Post #1160 » by **JamesNaismith** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:01 am

I think they're gunna be forced to keep the lotto pretty much as it was just with the lotto balls redone to redetermine the order and maybe even creating a "lotto" amongst the playoff teams (15-30)...cuz I just can't see how some teams like CLE, PHX and ours will allow for a 3yr system (not to mention teams like UTAH and DEN also heading in the same direction).