2012 NBA Draft

fishercob · Post #101 » by **fishercob** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 2:41 pm

My hope is that with the composition of our current roster, we don't use a second round pick in the upcoming draft. Or that it's a draft and stash.

Post #102 » by **Ruzious** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:21 pm

fishercob wrote:My hope is that with the composition of our current roster, we don't use a second round pick in the upcoming draft. Or that it's a draft and stash.

Well that makes one of you. The Wiz don't have the kind of talent to just throw away a high second round pick. Hell, San Antonio - as successful as they are - seems to think later 2nd round picks and undrafted free agents are important, but what do they know?

fishercob · Post #103 » by **fishercob** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 3:42 pm

I put that poorly, Ruz. My hope is that the Wiz '12 second rounder isn't on their opening night roster.

With Wall, McGee, Crawford, Booker, Vesely, Seraphin, '12 first rounder, Singleton, Mack, and quite possibly Young all likely to come back, I don't see us needing another marginal talent prospect who needs to be developed. That asset would be best applied elsewhere -- either drafted and stashed, traded/consolidated, etc.

San Antonio has been able to develop the George Hills, Gary Neals, etc., because the rest of their roster/rotation has been relatively set and the roster and culture has been extremely stable. We don't have that to offer. So a second rounder that comes in and gets any PT is going to be getting it at the expense of other young guys in need of development.

Post #104 » by **Rafael122** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:28 pm

Anthony Davis and Marquis Teague, two guys to watch in tonight's Kentucky vs. Kansas game.

go'stags · Post #105 » by **go'stags** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 5:37 pm

Thomas Robinson of Kansas, as well.

theboomking · Post #106 » by **theboomking** » Tue Nov 15, 2011 9:32 pm

Awesome games tonight.

Duke v MSU

Florida v Ohio State

Kentucky v Kansas

Anyone watch Baylor today? Quincy Miller looks like he had a good game. FWIT, Miller is reportedly a friwnd of Wall's from AAU.

no D in Hibachi · Post #107 » by **no D in Hibachi** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 12:31 am

I hate getting excited about all these 1 and doners if we're not even sure if they'll be draft eligible.

go'stags · Post #108 » by **go'stags** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:11 am

Ruzious wrote:In that game, I'm very impressed with Branden Dawson of Michigan State. He reminds a little of a young Gerald Wallace - with his explosive athleticism. Plus, he hit a jump shot - I don't think Wallace made any in college.

Watching MSU-Duke, I agree that Dawson is intriguing, but I don't think he will nor should declare this year.

The guy I am really impressed with is Trayvon(sp?) Green. He is strong as an ox and uses that strength down low while posting up, but he is also an excellent ball-handler with good quickness and body control to get into the lane, as well as a solid finisher. h, he is a great passer too, with a very high basketball IQ. He also plays extremely hard. He isn't a great rebounder because of he isn't the tallest or the highest leaper, but he does take up space and is good at tapping the ball to himself.

He is the rare jack-of-all-trades college player without a great physical profile who I think can play in the NBA. First of all, he is not slow by any means. And he is very strong and knows how to use it. He just isn't that tall. He is a match-up player off of the bench.

If we do use our second round pick, he is at the top of my list right now.

Dat2U · Post #109 » by **Dat2U** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 3:43 am

Gem of a game on b/w Kentucky & Kansas.

Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Teague, Jones & Robinson. That's five potential lottery picks right there.

Jones looks lighter to me. He honestly reminds me a lot of a young Antoine Walker. Makes a ton of plays both good and bad. I can already tell he's going to be a hot and cold NBA player.

Post #110 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 11:02 am

go'stags wrote:
Ruzious wrote:In that game, I'm very impressed with Branden Dawson of Michigan State. He reminds a little of a young Gerald Wallace - with his explosive athleticism. Plus, he hit a jump shot - I don't think Wallace made any in college.

Watching MSU-Duke, I agree that Dawson is intriguing, but I don't think he will nor should declare this year.

The guy I am really impressed with is Trayvon(sp?) Green. He is strong as an ox and uses that strength down low while posting up, but he is also an excellent ball-handler with good quickness and body control to get into the lane, as well as a solid finisher. h, he is a great passer too, with a very high basketball IQ. He also plays extremely hard. He isn't a great rebounder because of he isn't the tallest or the highest leaper, but he does take up space and is good at tapping the ball to himself.

He is the rare jack-of-all-trades college player without a great physical profile who I think can play in the NBA. First of all, he is not slow by any means. And he is very strong and knows how to use it. He just isn't that tall. He is a match-up player off of the bench.

If we do use our second round pick, he is at the top of my list right now.

Green battled hard, but I think he literally had 10 of his shots blocked. Such is the problem with a 6'7 PF. He's got a shot to make an NBA roster, but he's going to be awfully limited. Dawson is raw. We'll have to see how quickly he develops.

MF23 · Post #111 » by **MF23** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 1:51 pm

Dat2U wrote:Jones looks lighter to me. He honestly reminds me a lot of a young Antoine Walker. Makes a ton of plays both good and bad. I can already tell he's going to be a hot and cold NBA player.

No position, goofy and had a very strange recruiting process. At best he's Al Harrington.

First time watching Anthony Davis. Reminds me of a less athletic more skilled Rasheed Wallace at that age. He might be the safest prospect in college.

Watched a bit of Ohio St. last night. Sullinger still looks like he isn't missing snacks.

theboomking · Post #112 » by **theboomking** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:08 pm

MF23 wrote:
Dat2U wrote:Jones looks lighter to me. He honestly reminds me a lot of a young Antoine Walker. Makes a ton of plays both good and bad. I can already tell he's going to be a hot and cold NBA player.

No position, goofy and had a very strange recruiting process. At best he's Al Harrington.

First time watching Anthony Davis. Reminds me of a less athletic more skilled Rasheed Wallace at that age. He might be the safest prospect in college.

Watched a bit of Ohio St. last night. Sullinger still looks like he isn't missing snacks.

Anthony Davis: 33 minutes 14 points on 6-8 shooting, 6 rebounds, 2 stl, 7 blocks, 3TO. That is efficiency. I agree that Davis is the safest prospect in college, but he also has a very high ceiling. I don't think Davis is less athletic than Sheed. Probably not as strong, but Davis runs the court like a deer, has very good lateral quickness, and can really jump.

Sullinger looks to me like he has lost a ton of weight. Jared is a very smart player, and talented, but I'm not sure he is going to be able to score and rebound against the longer and more athletic NBA PF's. Jared doesn't have a wealth of post moves, fakes, jab steps etc. He also won't be a great NBA defender. I hope Sullinger isn't who we draft after missing a year.

fishercob · Post #113 » by **fishercob** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 2:59 pm

I'd like to do better in the draft than Sullinger as well, but I also think people are picking nits with him a bit. He was getting double and triple teamed last night and was making good passes out of the post. Do you want him as your best or second best player? No, but I think he could be a starter on a very good team -- better than a Big Baby, maybe not quite as good on O or the boards as Kevin Love, but less handicapped on D.

I didn't get to see the second half of UK-KU (still dont get why University of Kansas is KU), but it sounds like Davis and co were very impressive.

Beal didn't have the greatest stat line, but he played pretty well. He's much bigger than thought -- long arms, not skinny at all. He'll have no problem guarding NBA two's.

Austin RIvers looked awful. Over-dribbling, turning it over, ugly looking jumper. I'm sure Coach K will bring him along, but I'm not seeing an exciting pro prospect at all yet. But how about Andre Dawkins and Seth Curry combining for 46 points on 22 shots?

I didn't see Baylor but heard Quincy Miller looked great. Scouts seem to think that he may be the better NBA player than Perry Jones.

pcbothwel · Post #114 » by **pcbothwel** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 4:43 pm

Hopefully we end up with Davis, Barnes, Drummond, or Miller. All of them will be impact players in the League. Sullinger is there Mentally, but not Physically; Perry Jones is there Athletically, but doesnt have the physicality or killer instinct;and Terrance Jones is physical, but a Tweener with out composure.

If we cant get any of the first 4 mention. i look to get Jeremy lamb or Bradley Beal (ray allen clone and perfect compliment to Wall in both mentality and skill set)

go'stags · Post #115 » by **go'stags** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:33 pm

Ruzious wrote:
go'stags wrote:
Ruzious wrote:In that game, I'm very impressed with Branden Dawson of Michigan State. He reminds a little of a young Gerald Wallace - with his explosive athleticism. Plus, he hit a jump shot - I don't think Wallace made any in college.

Watching MSU-Duke, I agree that Dawson is intriguing, but I don't think he will nor should declare this year.

The guy I am really impressed with is Trayvon(sp?) Green. He is strong as an ox and uses that strength down low while posting up, but he is also an excellent ball-handler with good quickness and body control to get into the lane, as well as a solid finisher. h, he is a great passer too, with a very high basketball IQ. He also plays extremely hard. He isn't a great rebounder because of he isn't the tallest or the highest leaper, but he does take up space and is good at tapping the ball to himself.

He is the rare jack-of-all-trades college player without a great physical profile who I think can play in the NBA. First of all, he is not slow by any means. And he is very strong and knows how to use it. He just isn't that tall. He is a match-up player off of the bench.

If we do use our second round pick, he is at the top of my list right now.

Green battled hard, but I think he literally had 10 of his shots blocked. Such is the problem with a 6'7 PF. He's got a shot to make an NBA roster, but he's going to be awfully limited. Dawson is raw. We'll have to see how quickly he develops.

Well, I envision him, at best, being a combo forward off the bench. A guy who abuses SF's in the post, the guys who are not significant offensive threats. And the PF's who don't possess th skills to give him a lot of problems, he takes them off the dribble. Limited, sure, but potentially very useful. We'll see.

Anthony Davis thus far looks like the clear and away number 1 pick. He is already so good defensively that its scary. Not just altering or blocking shots with his length, but cutting off penetration with his quickness on help defense. Doesn't have many skills yet, but showed that he could potentially develop a money jumper, and he is an excellent ball-handler. He is the closest I have seen, of all the players who have been compared to him, to KG.

Thomas Robinson of Kansas is either a hyper-athletic Big Baby or a shorter Amare, but he is a better rebounder than both. I really like what I saw from him, besides some lapses on defense.

Sullinger looks much slimmer, and it appears all of the hype regarding his mid-range game is true. Still don't think he contributes enough defensively to make me want him on the Wizards, and I question how efficient he will be when he has to seal off NBA players in the low block rather than collegians.

fishercob · Post #116 » by **fishercob** » Wed Nov 16, 2011 6:59 pm

If Sully really does develop that mid range game -- to the point where he's absolutely money from 15-18 feet (and maybe even a credible threat from 3) -- he would be simply devastating as a pick and pop guy with Wall. He's so wide that he could erase opposing PG's. If his man goes under the screen he'll have to leave a ton of room (so that he can still cut off Wall) and leave Sully a ton of space to shoot.

Again, not my first choice but if he continues to get better -- and indications are that he has the makeup to do so -- he'd absolutely help the Wizards.

closg00 · Post #117 » by **closg00** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:00 am

"Insider" Help please. Does Thorpe place any of his Top 5 prospects with the Wiz?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?nam ... -prospects

fishercob · Post #118 » by **fishercob** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 12:18 am

closg00 wrote:"Insider" Help please. Does Thorpe place any of his Top 5 prospects with the Wiz?

http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/blog?nam ... -prospects

Ask and ye shall receive:

Brad Beal, G, Florida Gators
Best NBA fit: Washington Wizards
The Wizards have reasons for optimism going forward, thanks to John Wall and the improved JaVale McGee. It's nice to have a point guard-center combo with significant upside.

But as one of the poorest 3-point shooting teams in the league, and with Wall probably being a few years away from being a 40 percent shooter from beyond the arc, they should be focused strongly on landing Beal in next year's draft. Beal has a pure stroke and thinks like a scorer. He would be the perfect "ice" to Wall's "fire," as he plays under control and with the maturity of a seasoned veteran. Wall needs to be surrounded with shooters to keep his driving lanes open, so even though their roster needs help at a few spots, no player makes a bigger impact overall for them than Beal.

theboomking · Post #119 » by **theboomking** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 2:30 am

fishercob wrote:If Sully really does develop that mid range game -- to the point where he's absolutely money from 15-18 feet (and maybe even a credible threat from 3) -- he would be simply devastating as a pick and pop guy with Wall. He's so wide that he could erase opposing PG's. If his man goes under the screen he'll have to leave a ton of room (so that he can still cut off Wall) and leave Sully a ton of space to shoot.

Again, not my first choice but if he continues to get better -- and indications are that he has the makeup to do so -- he'd absolutely help the Wizards.

I think Sullinger already has a nice midrange game that you don't get to see because of what he is asked to do. Sullinger has a very nice stroke. Check out the 16 second mark in the video below.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0irCjWHUfI&feature=related[/youtube]
I do think however that Sullinger will struggle getting his shot off against NBA defenses in the post. To some degree, Jared will be forced outside.

Dat2U · Post #120 » by **Dat2U** » Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:07 am

Anthony Davis is a stud. He might already be the biggest impact player in college. He's a game changer at BOTH ends of the court. Length, fluidity, athleticism, motor & basketball IQ/character are all at the highest levels.

I see a bit of KG & Duncan in his game. He's a reliable 15-footer from being a star PF for the next 15 years.

You take him at #1 and do everything to ensure he retires wearing the same uniform.

I don't think there's any question about who's the #1 pick anymore. Drummond might have the raw ability but lacks in many other areas. Whether its 2012 or 2013, Davis is the #1 pick whenever he comes out.