Official CBA/Labour Talks Discussion Thread III

[Reignman]

Unfortunately, IMO, I don't think the small markets can get everything they need from the large markets. That's the problem when 22 teams can't make money and are not a preferred destination.

The players are going to have to realize the economic/systemic issues the small markets are facing. The large markets will play a part in this as well but it'll be a smaller part.

At the 50% with more revenue sharing I think a deal could have been done.

I tend to agree; however, at 50% I don't see the league being too flexible on the systemic issues.

Thoughts? Do the players get the "freedom of movement" they want at 50%?

[dhackett1565]

I tend to agree; however, at 50% I don't see the league being too flexible on the systemic issues.

Thoughts? Do the players get the "freedom of movement" they want at 50%?

I think that for many owners, who have small market teams and of course want to be able to make money, winning is still important. They bought into this business because they are basketball fans or are competitive by nature, for the most part. So even once the financials are settled (which I think they are - 50-50 and revenue sharing should be enough in the long run) - no matter how good the financials are for the owners, there will still be a push for system changes. I don't know that the two are intertwined.

[Reignman]

Can someone explain what this means:

usat_jzillgitt Jeff Zillgitt
NBA players involved in lawsuit vs. NBA in California's Northern District file notice of voluntary dismissal of complaint without prejudice.
22 minutes ago
Retweeted by alanhahn


alanhahn Alan Hahn
#NBA Players lawyers will hold a presser at 6 pm tonight for a "litigation update" in the wake of voluntary dismissal of NoCal lawsuit. #fb

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[Reignman]

I'm guessing they are pulling this complaint so that they can get some kind of class action suit going?

Or is there something more optimistic?

[Ponchos]

Interesting. I'm sure it's some sort of legal maneuvering to enhance their position. I'd like to be optimistic, but that hasn't worked out for me so far.

[ForeverTFC]

Here we go again... why do I get optimistic when I know exactly what is going to happen

[AllEnergy]

Hopefully this guy David Boies will fix everything up eh?

[ForeverTFC]

They consolidated the case in Minny to expedite the process.

So did they just waste a whole week?

[Ponchos]

They consolidated the case in Minny to expedite the process.

So did they just waste a whole week?

Perhaps they just found out what the court date would be in Minny? Both suits were filed at the same time, so I don't think they wasted a week.

That's just my guess.

[ForeverTFC]

mccannsportslaw Michael McCann
David Boies to argue completely opposite legal position, to the same court, in the span of months. Lawyers=advocates not believers

AMEN!

[Indeed]

Jokes, no need to get emo over something that barely affects us.

No emo here bud. It's just time to recognize that communicating with you is next to impossible. So please, you ignore me and I'll ignore you.

aww, that's too bad. BTW, figure out what rank and file means yet?

Have you found the link where players believe owner are losing $160m?
I don't see owners are making any claim on their league wide lost, they only say they are not making enough money.

[Ponchos]

mccannsportslaw Michael McCann
David Boies to argue completely opposite legal position, to the same court, in the span of months. Lawyers=advocates not believers

AMEN!

Lawyers should be advocates and not believers. Believers tend to fall into bad arguments.

[ForeverTFC]

mccannsportslaw Michael McCann
David Boies to argue completely opposite legal position, to the same court, in the span of months. Lawyers=advocates not believers

AMEN!

Lawyers should be advocates and not believers. Believers tend to fall into bad arguments.

He is going to argue to exact case, in front of the same court but on the other side of the aisle, in less than a year.

[dhackett1565]

Have you found the link where players believe owner are losing $160m?
I don't see owners are making any claim on their league wide lost, they only say they are not making enough money.

Having a hard time linking directly to the podcast interview, but here is a summary of it, with a link to it.

http://www.knicks101.com/2011/10/13/nba ... esa-today/

In the podcast itself, IIRC, Hunter says 160 million, but the summary says 150 million. But that is the source of that information.

[Fairview4Life]

Simple is talking about aspirations, dreams and fairy tales in a multi-billion dollar CBA negotiation.

Personally, I think the NBA has the potential to have a great overall product & rival the NFL in terms to success. There has to be some major changes to the system though.

If other posters don't feel the same way about this potential, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.

Either way, this is the gold standard & what they should be striving to be.

Agreed 100%. The defeatist attitude is weird to me. We're talking about basketball here, the only sport where you just need a ball and maybe an egg crate and you can play it anywhere.

This sport should be up there with the likes of soccer due to it's accessibility.

There's no reason basketball shouldn't set its eyes on the top in the north american market.

[Reignman]

Simple is talking about aspirations, dreams and fairy tales in a multi-billion dollar CBA negotiation.

Personally, I think the NBA has the potential to have a great overall product & rival the NFL in terms to success. There has to be some major changes to the system though.

If other posters don't feel the same way about this potential, that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion.

Either way, this is the gold standard & what they should be striving to be.

Agreed 100%. The defeatist attitude is weird to me. We're talking about basketball here, the only sport where you just need a ball and maybe an egg crate and you can play it anywhere.

This sport should be up there with the likes of soccer due to it's accessibility.

There's no reason basketball shouldn't set its eyes on the top in the north american market.

Are you really comparing a growing sport like basketball increasing its market share by improving competitive parity to lower level basketball players aspiring to make MLE money?

If you are then I don't get it. Actually, I don't get it period.

[Ponchos]

He is going to argue to exact case, in front of the same court but on the other side of the aisle, in less than a year.

Arguing to judges who understand how the advocate system works.

In law school we often had to make arguments for both sides of an issue on exams.

[ranger001]

The judge in the Minnesota case is Patrick Schiltz who once litigated for the nfl.

[PHANTOMPHOENIX]

The judge in the Minnesota case is Patrick Schiltz who once litigated for the nfl.

I am surprised the players don't have a problem with this

[Reignman]

As per Ranger on the GB, the Minnesota judge used to litigate on behalf of the NFL. Doesn't sound like a good thing.

Also hearing that Boies didn't like the fact that in the Norther Cal case they were assigned to San Francisco which wasn't a "preferred destination" lol.

NBA claims that these guys are just fishing for a "preferred destination".

IMO, sounds like a gong show and I'm heavily leaning towards the fact that Boies/Kessler/players are going to get their bluff called if they haven't already.