The Inaugural MR Big Board

[ManualRam]

11/25/11

1. Anthony Davis
2. Andre Drummond
3. Jeremy Lamb
4. Jared Sullinger
5. Harrison Barnes
6. Quincy Miller
7. Brad Beal
8. Thomas Robinson
9. John Henson
10. Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
11. Meyers Leonard
12. Terrence Ross
13. Perry Jones
14. Myck Kabongo
15. Austin Rivers
16. Terrence Jones
17. Patric Young
18. Tyler Zeller
19. Doron Lamb
20. Khris Middleton
21. Trevor Mbakwe
22. Mason Plumlee
23. Evan Fournier
24. Shabazz Napier
25. Festus Ezeli
26. Kris Joseph
27. Mouphtaou Yarou
28. William Buford
29. Tony Mitchell
30. Furkan Aldemir

on the bubble:

Scott Machado
Hollis Thompson
JaMychal Green
Andrew Nicholson
Nemanja Nedovic
Darius Johnson-Odom
Augusto Lima
Elijah Johnson


freshmen on my board who i think have a good chance of coming back: Beal, Kabongo, Rivers

[5DOM]

I think the Joneses go a little higher, but I like this one a lot. We'll obviously know more when Perry starts playing again next week.

[vincecarter4pres]

Not feeling Jeff Taylor?

[ManualRam]

Not feeling Jeff Taylor?

Not really, maybe early 2nd. I have kris joseph rated higher than him and he barely made it into my top 30. I just dont see enough progression in his shooting and ball-handling which he's needed since he was a sophomore.

[vincecarter4pres]

I like Kris Joseph a decent amount more myself.
I wish he was more aggressive though, he just looks so nonchalant out there a lot of the time, you watch him play when he gets it going though and you think, man this guy could be a really good NBA player, but then he kind of just mopes around out there for a quarter of the time he's on the floor.

Jeff Taylor looks like he could be a really nice role player at the next level though.

Early 2nd is fair though.

[Mr.Raptorsingh]

Kendall Marshall has to be in there somewhere, no? I know he's considered to be a 3 or 4 yr player, but at the rate he's going, he could get drafted in the lottery, maybe late lottery..

Dude is on fire, assist-wise. Another 10+ assist game tonight, making awesome pass after awesome pass. Averaging 11 apg through 5 games played.

[ManualRam]

i read that marshall is a good bet to return for his junior yr.
if he goes, i'd still have him in the mid to late teens. he's an amazing floor general, but i have reservations about how the rest of his game will translate.
he's definitely gonna have to improve his 3 ball and he might have to develop a post game since he wont be beating people off the dribble. the heels dont run a lot of PnR either so he'll have to get more well-versed in that (dont think he'll have too much of a problem with that since he plays at a great pace).

[vincecarter4pres]

Honestly, this kid may work his way so high into the lottery by the year's end he has almost no choice but to declare.

If he's getting good vibes in May and June and hearing things like he'll go say 8th or 9th overall, IDK if he can really turn that down, especially if by chance UNC takes down the 64.

[ManualRam]

i dunno. im not too big on one dimensional players. as spectacular as that one dimension is, he's still a one dimensional player. i'd like to see how that passing translates vs tougher, smarter teams who play defense with active hands.
this south carolina team was scrappy, but it was young and awful.
wisconsin should be a good test in 5 days. kentucky too of course.

[vincecarter4pres]

Absolutely, would like to see him against real competition as well but he looked quite good last year as well once handed the keys.
Then again, he showed all the same weaknesses last year as well and although his passing has gotten better, he really hasn't seemed to improve on much else.

I like him, I'm not going to front, but I'm also not even really saying I think he should or will work his way that high up based on my opinion, just that he might due to a combination of his abilities, team success, likely lack of quality point guards in this draft, a strong tourney run and history showing us that the best player at the shallowest position in a specific draft almost always goes too early if they're also a young underclassmen.

[ManualRam]

dang, mbakwe with a torn ACL.
he's off my big board, jamychal green is in.

wayns and hardaway jr move into the bubble

[ManualRam]

lots of changes

not a big board, more of a mock draft. team needs taken into consideration.

01-CHA-Anthony Davis
02-NOH-Andre Drummond
03-WAS-Thomas Robinson
04-NJN-Jeremy Lamb
05-TOR-Harrison Barnes
06-DET-Jared Sullinger
07-SAC-Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
08-MIL-Bradley Beal
09-PHO-Terrence Ross
10-CLE-Meyers Leonard
11-UTA-Perry Jones
12-UTA-Kendall Marshall
13-NOH-Tyler Zeller
14-DEN-John Henson
15-BOS-Quincy Miller
16-HOU-Doron Lamb
17-POR-Fab Melo
18-MEM-Arnett Moultrie
19-NJN-Austin Rivers
20-LAL-Damian Lillard
21-ATL-Dion Waiters
22-PHI-Patric Young
23-LAL-Moe Harkless
24-ORL-Marquis Teague
25-IND-Terrence Jones
26-BOS-William Buford
27-SAS-Tony Mitchell
28-CHI-John Jenkins
29-OKC-Jeffery Taylor
30-MIA-Kris Joseph

[7-Day Dray]

I think you have Quincy Miller too high. Right now, he's a slow(er) Austin Daye with a little more toughness. I'm hearing scouts don't even think he's a lock for the 1st round if he declares at this point.

[ManualRam]

I think you have Quincy Miller too high. Right now, he's a slow(er) Austin Daye with a little more toughness. I'm hearing scouts don't even think he's a lock for the 1st round if he declares at this point.

im not a big quincy miller fan, but i still see him as a low risk, upside pick in the mid teens. that being said, i think tony mitchell could easily replace him in this slot if he was more hyped and got more exposure.
slower than austin daye? i dont see that. he's less immobile and has better ball skills. he's also not as frail as daye is. he looks like he weighs more than austin does now. what people forget is that daye did a lot of his work in the post, either mid post extended or high post in college. he was just turning, shooting over people and not really utilizing many ball skills. in the NBA he's being bodied/crowded and has no counter for that. at least if quincy gets crowded he can do something about it since he can put the ball on the deck with some dexterity. daye's just not a clever or skilled player when he catches the ball and cant get his shot off.
also, in terms of intangibles, quincy is a more feisty, competitive player whereas daye is more sheepish and passive.

[ManualRam]

Sweet 16 Edition

1 *Charlotte - Anthony Davis
2 Washington - Thomas Robinson
3 New Orleans - Andre Drummod
4 *Portland - Jeremy Lamb
5 Toronto - Harrison Barnes
6 *Sacramento - Michael Kidd-Gilchrist
7 Detroit - Jared Sullinger
8 Cleveland - Meyers Leonard
9 *Utah - Brad Beal
10 Milwaukee - John Henson
11 Portland - Kendall Marshall
12 *New Orleans - Damian Lillard
13 *Utah - Moe Harkless
14 Phoenix - Terrence Ross
15 *Houston - Tyler Zeller
16 *New Jersey - Dion Waiters
17 Boston - Fab Melo
18 Denver - Perry Jones
19 *Golden St. - Austin Rivers
20 Philadelphia - Royce White
21 *Houston - Quincy Miller
22 Indiana - Doron Lamb
23 Memphis - Arnett Moultrie
24 *Boston - Terrence Jones
25 Orlando - Jeffery Taylor
26 *Cleveland - Tony Mitchell
27 *Golden St. - Andrew Nicholson
28 *Miami - John Jenkins
29 Oklahoma Cty - Jae Crowder
30 Chicago - Evan Fournier

[BlackIce]

I can not see WAS passing up on Drummond for Robinson, especially after workouts. Robinson is more ready to contribute but his ceiling is noticeably lower, imo. WAS is years away from being competitive, why not take a chance on a potential franchise big to pair with Wall? Develop him and pray he is not the next Kwame.

I would switch Q.Miller and D.Waiters. Outside of that it looks good.

[ManualRam]

WAS just traded for nene, and, despite what he thinks, his best position is C.
the moves that WAS has made the last couple of yrs definitely signal culture change. they're trying to get rid of the players with questionmarks surrounding their on court intelligence, work ethic, motor, etc. i dont think they'd want to acquire another one potentially in drummond, who's drive and on-court smarts/instincts are already in question. t-rob would be right in line with the culture change. he also happens to be a local product.

[7-Day Dray]

WAS just traded for nene, and, despite what he thinks, his best position is C.
the moves that WAS has made the last couple of yrs definitely signal culture change. they're trying to get rid of the players with questionmarks surrounding their on court intelligence, work ethic, motor, etc. i dont think they'd want to acquire another one potentially in drummond, who's drive and on-court smarts/instincts are already in question. t-rob would be right in line with the culture change. he also happens to be a local product.

I disagree with Nene's best position being C. A few games ago vs. Indy, Hibbert was just shooting over anytime he wanted because Nene's lack of length and shot-blocking. He isn't much of a leaper. I think he would be best served playing with an athletic C that can block shots from the weakside, and Drummond fits the bill. If I were Washington, I'd draft Drummond, and being him off the bench for his 1st year, and hopefully he's ready to start after a few years under Nene's tutelage.

[ManualRam]

WAS just traded for nene, and, despite what he thinks, his best position is C.
the moves that WAS has made the last couple of yrs definitely signal culture change. they're trying to get rid of the players with questionmarks surrounding their on court intelligence, work ethic, motor, etc. i dont think they'd want to acquire another one potentially in drummond, who's drive and on-court smarts/instincts are already in question. t-rob would be right in line with the culture change. he also happens to be a local product.

I disagree with Nene's best position being C. A few games ago vs. Indy, Hibbert was just shooting over anytime he wanted because Nene's lack of length and shot-blocking. He isn't much of a leaper. I think he would be best served playing with an athletic C that can block shots from the weakside, and Drummond fits the bill. If I were Washington, I'd draft Drummond, and being him off the bench for his 1st year, and hopefully he's ready to start after a few years under Nene's tutelage.

nene's PER, opp PER per position:

'11-'12:
C: 17.1, 10.1
PF: 14.6, 17.4

10-11
C: 22, 18.2
PF: N/A, N/A

09-10
C: 21.4, 17.6
PF: 18.7, 18.2

08-09
C: 21.1,15.6
PF: 18.7, 23.6

07-08
C: 15.4, 9.5
PF: 8.7, 15.8

[ManualRam]

Post NCAA deadline edition

01-CHA-A.Davis
02-WAS-T.Robinson
03-NOH-A.Drummond
04-SAC-MKG
05-CLE-J.Lamb
06-TOR-B.Beal
07-POR-H.Barnes
08-DET-J.Sullinger
09-UTA-T.Ross
10-NOH-K.Marshall
11-POR-M.Leonard
12-MIL-T.Zeller
13-PHO-J.Henson
14-UTA-D.Lillard
15-HOU-P.Jones
16-PHI-T.Mitchell
17-NJN-M.Harkless
18-DEN-D.Waiters
19-HOU-A.Rivers
20-ATL-F.Melo
21-BOS-R.White
22-ORL-J.Taylor
23-MEM-T.Jones
24-BOS-A.Moultrie
25-IND-M.Teague
26-CLE-J.Crowder
27-GSW-A.Nicholson
28-MIA-D.Lamb
29-OKC-E.Fournier
30-CHI-J.Jenkins