2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[Mr Swagtastic]

I do The Bulls package only with their 2012 1st round pick. With a 2nd it's just not worth it. Barbosa should be able to get a late first in The Bulls range no problems if a contender is looking for a good scoring combo guard.

If we did get a 25+ overall pick I would then see what package Ed Davis + Barbosa pick and our 2013 protected pick yields. That should be enough to sneak in the top 10 and grab a Barnes or Miller if they drop that far. I would do that deal again only if we get Drummond or Anthony Davis with our pick. If were in the Barnes/Miller range with our pick I pick one of them then move Ed Davis for Gillchrist or a good PG like Worten/Kobongo/Marshall (if he drops) and use The Bulls pick for the BPA (Tomas Satoransky, Kris Joseph, Tony Mitchell or William Buford) all of those 4 guys are welcomed SG/SF prospects who give us a good cheap look at them. If they drop maybe look to pick one up with our 2nd round pick (should be early enough) and take a risk at a C prospect like DeWayne Dedmon with The Bulls pick

[drew_28]

I'd love to have vince come back and split time with Barnes. If anything it would sell jerseys haha

Although I question his love of the game...during the interview with Tmac and Oak he seemed more interested in his restaurant

[drew_28]

I do The Bulls package only with their 2012 1st round pick. With a 2nd it's just not worth it. Barbosa should be able to get a late first in The Bulls range no problems if a contender is looking for a good scoring combo guard.

If we did get a 25+ overall pick I would then see what package Ed Davis + Barbosa pick and our 2013 protected pick yields. That should be enough to sneak in the top 10 and grab a Barnes or Miller if they drop that far. I would do that deal again only if we get Drummond or Anthony Davis with our pick. If were in the Barnes/Miller range with our pick I pick one of them then move Ed Davis for Gillchrist or a good PG like Worten/Kobongo/Marshall (if he drops) and use The Bulls pick for the BPA (Tomas Satoransky, Kris Joseph, Tony Mitchell or William Buford) all of those 4 guys are welcomed SG/SF prospects who give us a good cheap look at them. If they drop maybe look to pick one up with our 2nd round pick (should be early enough) and take a risk at a C prospect like DeWayne Dedmon with The Bulls pick

I'm confused..if we don't get a top 2 pick and Drummond and AD are off the board...is this what you are suggesting? You pick Barnes/Miller with pick one...and then after trading Davis you pick Gilchrist or a PG? Why? Thats two SF or an SF and a PG while getting rid of a solid PF...are you saying that bargs takes over as the PF for the future and Amir backs him up? I think we can eliminate the Davis trade and make a package with Barbosa to get a late first and pick a PG prospect to sit behind Bayless...but thats just my opinion

[rapsrealm]

The chances of the Raptors getting another draft pick I think is slim to none. It doesn't make sense to bring in a high lottery pick and our draft pick from this year with another pick on top of that. Who is going to develop all of them? I can see the Raps bringing in our two lottery draft picks and getting veterans to surround them.

[JamesNaismith]

I do The Bulls package only with their 2012 1st round pick. With a 2nd it's just not worth it. Barbosa should be able to get a late first in The Bulls range no problems if a contender is looking for a good scoring combo guard.

If we did get a 25+ overall pick I would then see what package Ed Davis + Barbosa pick and our 2013 protected pick yields. That should be enough to sneak in the top 10 and grab a Barnes or Miller if they drop that far. I would do that deal again only if we get Drummond or Anthony Davis with our pick. If were in the Barnes/Miller range with our pick I pick one of them then move Ed Davis for Gillchrist or a good PG like Worten/Kobongo/Marshall (if he drops) and use The Bulls pick for the BPA (Tomas Satoransky, Kris Joseph, Tony Mitchell or William Buford) all of those 4 guys are welcomed SG/SF prospects who give us a good cheap look at them. If they drop maybe look to pick one up with our 2nd round pick (should be early enough) and take a risk at a C prospect like DeWayne Dedmon with The Bulls pick

I'm confused..if we don't get a top 2 pick and Drummond and AD are off the board...is this what you are suggesting? You pick Barnes/Miller with pick one...and then after trading Davis you pick Gilchrist or a PG? Why? Thats two SF or an SF and a PG while getting rid of a solid PF...are you saying that bargs takes over as the PF for the future and Amir backs him up? I think we can eliminate the Davis trade and make a package with Barbosa to get a late first and pick a PG prospect to sit behind Bayless...but thats just my opinion

I much prefer Swag's suggestion.

1. If we don't land Drummond or ADavis then we're going to have to accept that Bargnani WILL be our starting PF. BC has had him out of position since he's got here just to have him on court; with Valanciunas arriving there is no chance he hides his lotto pick behind Andrea and especially when it enables him to play the correct position.

2. I definitely take Gilchrist. He's a MUCH needed lock down defender on the wings and could easily come off the bench at either SG or SF. He's 6'6-7'....so there should be no trouble. He's BPA in comparison to how bad these PGs look. Never a wrong move going BPA especially when now we'd suddenly have depth at our wings.

3. We have some significant cap space coming up in the near future and all the best FA's ironically are POINT GUARDS...pretty simple math but if we firm up our post and wings there's only one spot left right?!?

[Skeezo]

Well we've got 3 PF's & one of them has to go... Bargnani, Davis, or Amir... Barbosa is definitely a chip & if Kleiza could somewhere be facilitated in there that would be magical...

T.O is not gonna give up on Bargnani (although sometimes I wish they would)... We don't have many go to scorer's, so I doubt we give up on a 7 footer that can average 20+ with ease...

Davis or Johnson? As much as I love Amir... His relationship with Demar, his love for the city, & even his efficent play... As much as I'm not so sure about Ed Davis' passion, his love for the cold, or where he could really project as a player I still would have to go with him... His upside & the pure economics of his contract or just too hard to pass up...

Would love a Johnson/Kleiza for Beidrins deal...

[Rapsfan07]

I do The Bulls package only with their 2012 1st round pick. With a 2nd it's just not worth it. Barbosa should be able to get a late first in The Bulls range no problems if a contender is looking for a good scoring combo guard.

If we did get a 25+ overall pick I would then see what package Ed Davis + Barbosa pick and our 2013 protected pick yields. That should be enough to sneak in the top 10 and grab a Barnes or Miller if they drop that far. I would do that deal again only if we get Drummond or Anthony Davis with our pick. If were in the Barnes/Miller range with our pick I pick one of them then move Ed Davis for Gillchrist or a good PG like Worten/Kobongo/Marshall (if he drops) and use The Bulls pick for the BPA (Tomas Satoransky, Kris Joseph, Tony Mitchell or William Buford) all of those 4 guys are welcomed SG/SF prospects who give us a good cheap look at them. If they drop maybe look to pick one up with our 2nd round pick (should be early enough) and take a risk at a C prospect like DeWayne Dedmon with The Bulls pick

I'm confused..if we don't get a top 2 pick and Drummond and AD are off the board...is this what you are suggesting? You pick Barnes/Miller with pick one...and then after trading Davis you pick Gilchrist or a PG? Why? Thats two SF or an SF and a PG while getting rid of a solid PF...are you saying that bargs takes over as the PF for the future and Amir backs him up? I think we can eliminate the Davis trade and make a package with Barbosa to get a late first and pick a PG prospect to sit behind Bayless...but thats just my opinion

I agree. Swag's proposition is too much to give up from our perspective and we don't need 2 wings from the draft. One should do us fine. So if we fall out of the Top 2 and Drummond and Davis are not available then I think the best thing to do is just take either Barnes or Miller and be done with it. At this point, I'm not convinced that Wroten, Kabongo or Marshall are worth giving up a double-double big man in Ed Davis. However, if we get lucky enough for Drummond or Davis then you package ONE of Ed + 2013 top 10 protected or Ed + 2012 late first rounder from the Barbosa deal. The only way I'm moving Davis + 2013 top 10 protected + 2012 Bulls first rounder is for another Top 5 pick.

The chances of the Raptors getting another draft pick I think is slim to none. It doesn't make sense to bring in a high lottery pick and our draft pick from this year with another pick on top of that. Who is going to develop all of them? I can see the Raps bringing in our two lottery draft picks and getting veterans to surround them.

I never understood this position. Are we in a rush or something? Surges of talent like this are few and far in between and I'd be asking for BC's head if he ever used an excuse like this for not pursuing an additional pick in this draft. If he says he's not able to get another one, fine I'll buy that. But "it doesn't make sense" is a very poor excuse seeing as how we are one of the worst teams in the league and it's not like we'll be selecting multiple players to play the same position. That would make no sense.

[rapsrealm]

The chances of the Raptors getting another draft pick I think is slim to none. It doesn't make sense to bring in a high lottery pick and our draft pick from this year with another pick on top of that. Who is going to develop all of them? I can see the Raps bringing in our two lottery draft picks and getting veterans to surround them.

I never understood this position. Are we in a rush or something? Surges of talent like this are few and far in between and I'd be asking for BC's head if he ever used an excuse like this for not pursuing an additional pick in this draft. If he says he's not able to get another one, fine I'll buy that. But "it doesn't make sense" is a very poor excuse seeing as how we are one of the worst teams in the league and it's not like we'll be selecting multiple players to play the same position. That would make no sense.[/quote]

It has nothing to do with being in a rush or not. It has to do with player development and the resources the team can throw at players in order to reach their full potential. It's like having a classroom with 40 kids and another classroom with 20 kids...the class that has more time devoted to each individual student stands a better chance of reaching their full potential.

Sure if BC can get a great bargain and a lottery pick is being given to him then sure lets go for it..but there are other factors BC has to look at. He can't bring in three new rookies in one season and expect them to produce right away. Even though you may think that's the best method the reality is the Raptors have to produce by winning games and turn things around. Bringing in three rookies doesn't make sense both short-term and long-term. If you have three players coming in the same year how would you extend them all? Especially with the new CBA where you can only designate one rookie to receive the 5 year extension opposed to the 4?

[Mr Swagtastic]

JamesNaismith nailed what I was going at. A guy like Gillchrist is a great addition to this team if we draft Barnes or Miller with our pick. Yes he's a wing but he looks like a very talented one at either the backup SG or SF spot. Gillchrist would be a supersub for Toronto giving you a lethal all around threat off the bench. Giving up Ed Davis is tough but with Bargs in the fold + Amir somebody has to go. Why not send Ed for a solid prospect like Gillchrist/Worten/Kobongo/Teague?

Rapsfan07 The Bulls pick is ok lets not act like it's some special pick it at best gets you a good depth guy this year. If we did package all three (Raps pick in 2013 top 10 protected), Ed Davis + The Bulls pick I doubt you get a top 5 pick. Drummond/Miller/Anthony Davis/Barnes are all my top 4 and a outside shot of Sullinger/Perry Jones III/Lamb/Beal/Worten/Marshall/Teague all are more enticing picks then Ed + IMHO who round out my top 5. I doubt Toronto is outside the top 10 next year so the pick would have to wait as well for said team who we send it to.

[JustLucky]

If you trade a top 5 for that package today you get fired. Maybe if davis has a huge year or the draft looks weaker come june

[Rapsfan07]

If you trade a top 5 for that package today you get fired. Maybe if davis has a huge year or the draft looks weaker come june

Well I guess we don't have a deal then.

Assets big or small are valuable to me personally. Some people on the Bulls board don't even want to cough up their low 20's pick for a good, productive MUCH needed vet combo guard but we're going to package that pick plus a protected pick for next year and a young double double big on a rookie contract for a outside shot at the lottery. I simply don't think that's a good idea. However, a lot of NCAA ball still has to be played and if by some miracle a really really good player...that WILL translate to a above average NBAer is on the board, forget it. Because in a draft like this, even a 20+ could be a reliable role player or maybe even fringe star. Who knows?

But what I do know is skilled defensive bigs don't grow on trees and a pick in our stage of development as a team is a year's worth of watching horrible losing basketball. I'm interested in getting maximum value for it.

[drew_28]

I still wouldn't trade Ed Davis for Gilchrist or Wroten or Kabongo...in all likelihood the PG prospects will be available late first early second and I'd rather get rid of Barbosa in a package deal than Davis.

You are basically gambling that Gilchrist will be better than Ed Davis...i'd rather have Barnes and Ed Davis than Barnes and Derozan and Gilchrist and JJ trying to split minutes.

[JamesNaismith]

I still wouldn't trade Ed Davis for Gilchrist or Wroten or Kabongo...in all likelihood the PG prospects will be available late first early second and I'd rather get rid of Barbosa in a package deal than Davis.

You are basically gambling that Gilchrist will be better than Ed Davis...i'd rather have Barnes and Ed Davis than Barnes and Derozan and Gilchrist and JJ trying to split minutes.

I agree that I wouldn`t trade Davis for Wroten or Kabongo but for Gilchrist easily.

From what I see Gilchrist can easily be an equivalent factor to Davis at his respective position and arguebly better because he is a defensive specialist. Not to mention this has to be accepted...BARGNANI will become STARTING PF when Valanciunas arrives (pending winning the draft).

That means Ed and Amir fight for minutes behind a guy who will easily get 27+ mins a game. Not worth it sorry and not to mention Gilchrist brings some MUCH, much needed D to the wings and would solidify the depth for years to come. I certainly dont worry about James Johnson, who for all his potential to be DECENT is still not and only getting older. Gilchrist at prime is better then Johnson (and possibly EDavis as well). All around win for us if we could get him.

[JamesNaismith]

As an aside...if we ended up with a player like Barnes then I pray Colangelo can pull off a trade of Bargnani + something lol for Tony Parker.

[Orsk]

As per WT, apparently Boston would be willing to trade Rondo for the right piece and that they are looking for someone to help share the scoring load with Pierce.

Long shot but what do you think the response would be for something involving Bargs for Rondo with fillers. I think Bargs would make a nice scoring compliment to Pierce, he is still young enough going forward and KG has the presence to help cover his weaknesses. They are also said to be looking to land a dominant C to replace Perkins, who would also help cover up Bargs D if he is playing at the 4. I think it would be great to see Bargs there coming off the bench for that offensive punch.

As for us. Rondo is a defensive presence, with great court vision and I think would really compliment DD with a long 3 specialist at the 3 spot. He is also young and could become out PG of the future. I know its a serious long shot but I'd love it for both sides. Even if we threw in Jose to replace Rondo (could work something out with the intent to amnesty Jose for them to resign cheaper, otherwise too much salary).

[bboyskinnylegs]

As per WT, apparently Boston would be willing to trade Rondo for the right piece and that they are looking for someone to help share the scoring load with Pierce.

Long shot but what do you think the response would be for something involving Bargs for Rondo with fillers. I think Bargs would make a nice scoring compliment to Pierce, he is still young enough going forward and KG has the presence to help cover his weaknesses. They are also said to be looking to land a dominant C to replace Perkins, who would also help cover up Bargs D if he is playing at the 4. I think it would be great to see Bargs there coming off the bench for that offensive punch.

As for us. Rondo is a defensive presence, with great court vision and I think would really compliment DD with a long 3 specialist at the 3 spot. He is also young and could become out PG of the future. I know its a serious long shot but I'd love it for both sides. Even if we threw in Jose to replace Rondo (could work something out with the intent to amnesty Jose for them to resign cheaper, otherwise too much salary).

It would be an interesting trade. Both are about the same age, and on similar contracts (Rondo's is a bit bigger), and are essentially polar opposites as players with big flaws. Rondo brings very good D and rebounding at the PG position, along with solid court vision, but very little as a scorer. Bargs gives you scoring, but little else. They have similar PERs, but according to 82games.com Rajon is a net +8.3pts/48mins when he's on the floor, while Bargs is a net -6.5pts/48 mins.

We have Ed and Amir who can take Bargs' minutes, and the prizes at the top of this draft are bigs. Things could become really stagnant for us without having anyone that can really shoot the ball in our starting lineup, so bringing him here probably wouldn't affect our ability to land a high pick this year. I'm not sure who holds more trade value between the two since they're on such big deals.

I'd do it, if it were an option for us. I think it would be easier to build a team with his flaws as a PG than Bargs' flaws as a big man. Who knows how realistic it is though, it's so hard to get a feel for Bargs' value, they could laugh us off the phone or be the ones proposing it themselves.

[Thelonious]

I would like to explore what we can do to address our interior defence needs. There are a couple of intriguing FA's like Przybilla and Foster. Oden would be worth more money but likely short contract so he's one of those I wouldn't mind pursuing either.
Then there are players under contract. Let's see what Amir Johnson can fetch in terms of a decent center who can anchor a defence. Of course we would want a lottery pick as well.

In Denver, there's Chris Andersen, Mozgov and Koufos who kind of fit the bill. They have the Melo TPE, and they probably want to re-sign Nene. It all depends if they have/can acquire a pick to add to the package to make in worth our while.

Then there's Zaza Pachulia in Atlanta. I could perhaps see an Amir for Zaza deal. Although Amir is kind of redundant with a lot of their players, that could change if they're willing move out their first-round exit habit with a rebuild.

[Slo]

LOL at getting Rondo for Bargs

[AkelaLoneWolf]

LOL at getting Rondo for Bargs

I've wouldn't take that deal even if it was offered to us. Rondo's game has a lot of flaws that are barely covered up by the awesomeness of Pierce and Garnett.
This is a PG who can't shoot the ball, who might have a high assist only because he plays with amazing players.

I don't mind trading Bargs; but this ain't the right move.

[AkelaLoneWolf]

I would like to explore what we can do to address our interior defence needs.

I think Pekovic from the Twolves can be had. If they amnesty him, we can make a play for cheap; if not they might want to be rid of him anyways. He makes $4M while playing 13 minutes a game. Was a very good center in Euroleague that hasn't really had a chance to make his mark in the NBA.