Ok Real Question - Why not let Lebron Be Magic

[Tim_Hardawayy]

Lebron is not a cerebral player. When you leave it up to lebron to make decisions, he almost ALWAYS does the wrong thing. Hold the ball too long, telegraph a drive to the basket and allow the defense to draw a charge, make a bullet pass to Joel Anthony.

Making Lebron point guard gives him too much time to think and not enough time to just act. He is a great instinctive player, but he just isnt suited for a thinking man's position. Thats also why Mario Chalmers is a shaky point guard.

I think it takes away from Lebrons best offensive abilities to have him playing at the top of the circle. It would be a waste of his athleticism, explosiveness and ability to battle for rebounds. Plus, you really dont want Lebron chasing around a small point guard the entire game wearing him out.

Bingo.

One of the things I hate about LeBron when he's in the game without a point guard, he has a habit of just holding onto the ball until he's got a guy open enough that he's guaranteed an assist, or throws up a jumper himself at the last second. He is terrible at moving the ball. And that's something a point guard has to be able to do, keep the ball moving.

[CablexDeadpool]

The answer to your question is really simple: LeBron is not a point guard. He's a great passer for his position, but not a great point guard.
Also, I can't believe people actually suggest we don't need a three point shooter on the floor. There are two reasons why guys like JJ and Miller will always be important to us:

A) We need the spacing to keep the driving lanes for D-Wade and especially LeBron open. People may not realize it, but as agile als LBJ is, it's still much harder for him to drive through a defense than it is for D-Wade for example. The guy is a freaking tank, that's what makes him so dominant. He will never be able to slice through a tight defense but once he has just enough space, you can't stop him. He's too quick and strong at the same time to not score or at least get to the line, but again, he need at least a little space out there.

B) Three point shooting is key to today's basketball. With the zone defense invading the NBA, teams can cover players who are defensive liabilities much better and pack the paint easier while forcing you into shooting outside shots. This wasn't the case in the Magic era. Go and watch the Finals games or the entire playoffs for that matter again and look how much three point shooting helped Dallas to win the title and how much it frankly helped us to get to the Finals.

Well why do we always hear from nearly everybody on this board, that the Heat don't need a point guard to actually do point guard stuff. We just need a point guard to shoot the 3 and defend.

Either you gonna take the ball out of the point guard hands or you gonna take it out of D Wade and Lebron hands...

So with a point guard, he will basically just be giving the ball to Wade and Lebron anyway. He wouldn't be there to actually pass or dictate the offense because Lebron and Wade are the 2 best players on this team. And they run pick and roll and they are iso players.

There will still be a lot of standing around, waiting for the ball to come to them. If you get a real point guard that will do point guard duties, you are gonna have to change the offensive system. You will have to change the offense into a Triangle style offense, where the ball is being swung from end to end and it's being touched by everybody and the ball is moving because if you don't Lebron and Wade will wait at the wings and take turns.

So that's the predicament, our 2 best players will never change, they been ball dominant their entire careers, they can't do anything else but be ball dominant. They will never fully compliment each other.

And having 3 point shooters in the starting lineup sacrifice defense, are you willing to sacrifice defense for offense? And if you did point 3 point shooters into the lineup, you will have lebron james at point guard anyway.

JJ and Mike Miller are fowards, you will still be having Lebron and Wade at point guard.

So you can see why I am saying Lebron as the main ball handler in the starting lineup, will be a better option than having a point guard. The best lineup will always be Lebron and Wade as ballhandlers.

If you want 3 point shooters, will have JJ and Mike Miller pushing Lebron to the 4 on defense and he will probably be the ballhandler on offense.


And I seriously don't know what Lebron you guys been seeing but in Miami and in Cleveland, he always been the initiator of the offense.

[DWadeno3]

The answer to your question is really simple: LeBron is not a point guard. He's a great passer for his position, but not a great point guard.
Also, I can't believe people actually suggest we don't need a three point shooter on the floor. There are two reasons why guys like JJ and Miller will always be important to us:

A) We need the spacing to keep the driving lanes for D-Wade and especially LeBron open. People may not realize it, but as agile als LBJ is, it's still much harder for him to drive through a defense than it is for D-Wade for example. The guy is a freaking tank, that's what makes him so dominant. He will never be able to slice through a tight defense but once he has just enough space, you can't stop him. He's too quick and strong at the same time to not score or at least get to the line, but again, he need at least a little space out there.

B) Three point shooting is key to today's basketball. With the zone defense invading the NBA, teams can cover players who are defensive liabilities much better and pack the paint easier while forcing you into shooting outside shots. This wasn't the case in the Magic era. Go and watch the Finals games or the entire playoffs for that matter again and look how much three point shooting helped Dallas to win the title and how much it frankly helped us to get to the Finals.

Well why do we always hear from nearly everybody on this board, that the Heat don't need a point guard to actually do point guard stuff. We just need a point guard to shoot the 3 and defend.

Either you gonna take the ball out of the point guard hands or you gonna take it out of D Wade and Lebron hands...

So with a point guard, he will basically just be giving the ball to Wade and Lebron anyway. He wouldn't be there to actually pass or dictate the offense because Lebron and Wade are the 2 best players on this team. And they run pick and roll and they are iso players.

There will still be a lot of standing around, waiting for the ball to come to them. If you get a real point guard that will do point guard duties, you are gonna have to change the offensive system. You will have to change the offense into a Triangle style offense, where the ball is being swung from end to end and it's being touched by everybody and the ball is moving because if you don't Lebron and Wade will wait at the wings and take turns.

So that's the predicament, our 2 best players will never change, they been ball dominant their entire careers, they can't do anything else but be ball dominant. They will never fully compliment each other.

And having 3 point shooters in the starting lineup sacrifice defense, are you willing to sacrifice defense for offense? And if you did point 3 point shooters into the lineup, you will have lebron james at point guard anyway.

JJ and Mike Miller are fowards, you will still be having Lebron and Wade at point guard.

So you can see why I am saying Lebron as the main ball handler in the starting lineup, will be a better option than having a point guard. The best lineup will always be Lebron and Wade as ballhandlers.

If you want 3 point shooters, will have JJ and Mike Miller pushing Lebron to the 4 on defense and he will probably be the ballhandler on offense.


And I seriously don't know what Lebron you guys been seeing but in Miami and in Cleveland, he always been the initiator of the offense.

A true PG could've surely helped us during all those scoring droughts in the Finals when those two were hogging the ball and chucking up threes. LeBron and D-Wade dominated the ball for their teams because they HAD to. Do you remember our championship team? Wade didn't dominate the ball as much as he did in the past couple of years because we had a true PG called Jason Williams (well not only because of him but he was part of the reason). Actually, Dwyane has been pretty efficient off the ball last season as well. Thus, a real point guard who can do more than shoot threes and defend would be pretty helpful.
I also don't get how you could be the guy to criticize our offense, yet now you don't even want a true PG or shooters to space the floor.

[CablexDeadpool]

"A true PG could've surely helped us during all those scoring droughts in the Finals when those two were hogging the ball and chucking up threes. LeBron and D-Wade dominated the ball for their teams because they HAD to. Do you remember our championship team? Wade didn't dominate the ball as much as he did in the past couple of years because we had a true PG called Jason Williams (well not only because of him but he was part of the reason). Actually, Dwyane has been pretty efficient off the ball last season as well. Thus, a real point guard who can do more than shoot threes and defend would be pretty helpful.
I also don't get how you could be the guy to criticize our offense, yet now you don't even want a true PG or shooters to space the floor."

-DWadeno3

DWade isn't an off the ball player, he's a pick and roll player, he still is having the ball in his hands when he runs pick and roll, and he still is slashing to the hoop.

When I mean offball, I mean not running pick and roll and pick and pops.

Heat offense is based around pick and rolls and pick and pops. And Heat was top 10 in pick and roll offense, because Heat have the best pick and roll player in D Wade

So having a true point guard, without overhauling the offense, it will still end up with Wade standing around waiting for the ball. Or Lebron waiting for the ball.

So truly what will our Point Guard be actually doing, if our best player scoring is a pick and roll player.

Yeah our point guard will call some plays and probably run a pick and roll every now and again, but in Spo's offense of pick and rolls, isos and pick and pops, the ball is gonna be in the best player hands, which Wade and Lebron.

Will we see our point guard actually running the team or he will be just a defender and the occasional passer and a 3 point shooter to wait for kick outs?

Im pretty sure he will be the occasional passer and the 3 point shooter waiting for kickouts.

So I'm being realistic, this is Spo this is not Rick Adelman or Doc Rivers or Phil Jackson.

He not gonna reinvent the wheel. Yeah it would be nice to see a true point guard, that can do actual point guard stuff and not just defend point guards and shoot 3s. I am done hoping for that elusive offensive system that looks like the 7 seconds or less Suns, everyone is running up and down the court, ball movement and basic offensive stuff.

I know we gonna see the same stuff, just with a center who can catch and dunk a basketball.

So I am thinking that we are dealing with Spo, not an offensive guru. So I believe that in that case, lets just have a real good defensive player that can 1 2 and 3s, and have him guard the best player so Lebron isn't ran into the ground.

How many point guards the Heat been through since Jason Williams?

Spo isn't running a point guard friendly offense and isn't a point guard friendly coach, lets just be honest. Asking for a true point guard is asking for a lot.

Still have shooters and other point guards and centers, just in the starting lineup for the first 10 mins of a game, Lebron is the initiator of the offense.

Let Lebron be the initiator of the offense like he's been doing forever and probably will do til he can't do it anymore.

[DWadeno3]

DWade isn't an off the ball player, he's a pick and roll player, he still is having the ball in his hands when he runs pick and roll, and he still is slashing to the hoop.

When I mean offball, I mean not running pick and roll and pick and pops.

Heat offense is based around pick and rolls and pick and pops. And Heat was top 10 in pick and roll offense, because Heat have the best pick and roll player in D Wade

So having a true point guard, without overhauling the offense, it will still end up with Wade standing around waiting for the ball. Or Lebron waiting for the ball.

So truly what will our Point Guard be actually doing, if our best player scoring is a pick and roll player.

Yeah our point guard will call some plays and probably run a pick and roll every now and again, but in Spo's offense of pick and rolls, isos and pick and pops, the ball is gonna be in the best player hands, which Wade and Lebron.

Will we see our point guard actually running the team or he will be just a defender and the occasional passer and a 3 point shooter to wait for kick outs?

Im pretty sure he will be the occasional passer and the 3 point shooter waiting for kickouts.

So I'm being realistic, this is Spo this is not Rick Adelman or Doc Rivers or Phil Jackson.

He not gonna reinvent the wheel. Yeah it would be nice to see a true point guard, that can do actual point guard stuff and not just defend point guards and shoot 3s. I am done hoping for that elusive offensive system that looks like the 7 seconds or less Suns, everyone is running up and down the court, ball movement and basic offensive stuff.

I know we gonna see the same stuff, just with a center who can catch and dunk a basketball.

So I am thinking that we are dealing with Spo, not an offensive guru. So I believe that in that case, lets just have a real good defensive player that can 1 2 and 3s, and have him guard the best player so Lebron isn't ran into the ground.

How many point guards the Heat been through since Jason Williams?

Spo isn't running a point guard friendly offense and isn't a point guard friendly coach, lets just be honest. Asking for a true point guard is asking for a lot.

Still have shooters and other point guards and centers, just in the starting lineup for the first 10 mins of a game, Lebron is the initiator of the offense.

Let Lebron be the initiator of the offense like he's been doing forever and probably will do til he can't do it anymore.

How can you say D-Wade is not a good off-ball player when 37% of his field goals were assisted last season? In order to score off of an assist, you usually have to move into the right spots and 37% is a significant raise from the 28% in the 09/10 season. Both aren't particularly high numbers, but they indicate that, when given the right teammates, Wade can be as efficient without the ball as with the ball in his hands.

Also, you kind of contradict yourself again. You say Spo isn't a point guard friendly coach, yet you say we haven't really brought in a true PG in since J-Will. I doubt Riles is sitting in his office not trying to bring in a true PG because Spo is not capable of using him properly. We simply haven't been able to land a true PG. We desperately need one in order to organize our offense better though. Regarding LeBron running the point I'd just like to quote indiegrind:

[quote ="indiegrind"]Lebron is not a cerebral player. When you leave it up to lebron to make decisions, he almost ALWAYS does the wrong thing. Hold the ball too long, telegraph a drive to the basket and allow the defense to draw a charge, make a bullet pass to Joel Anthony.

Making Lebron point guard gives him too much time to think and not enough time to just act. He is a great instinctive player, but he just isnt suited for a thinking man's position. Thats also why Mario Chalmers is a shaky point guard.

I think it takes away from Lebrons best offensive abilities to have him playing at the top of the circle. It would be a waste of his athleticism, explosiveness and ability to battle for rebounds. Plus, you really dont want Lebron chasing around a small point guard the entire game wearing him out.[/quote]

[twix2500]

Adding a real point guard to the team will not overhaul our offense, it will make our offense more versatile. We still will be a pick and roll offense primarily but it will not be the lone option.

[CablexDeadpool]

DWade isn't an off the ball player, he's a pick and roll player, he still is having the ball in his hands when he runs pick and roll, and he still is slashing to the hoop.

When I mean offball, I mean not running pick and roll and pick and pops.

Heat offense is based around pick and rolls and pick and pops. And Heat was top 10 in pick and roll offense, because Heat have the best pick and roll player in D Wade

So having a true point guard, without overhauling the offense, it will still end up with Wade standing around waiting for the ball. Or Lebron waiting for the ball.

So truly what will our Point Guard be actually doing, if our best player scoring is a pick and roll player.

Yeah our point guard will call some plays and probably run a pick and roll every now and again, but in Spo's offense of pick and rolls, isos and pick and pops, the ball is gonna be in the best player hands, which Wade and Lebron.

Will we see our point guard actually running the team or he will be just a defender and the occasional passer and a 3 point shooter to wait for kick outs?

Im pretty sure he will be the occasional passer and the 3 point shooter waiting for kickouts.

So I'm being realistic, this is Spo this is not Rick Adelman or Doc Rivers or Phil Jackson.

He not gonna reinvent the wheel. Yeah it would be nice to see a true point guard, that can do actual point guard stuff and not just defend point guards and shoot 3s. I am done hoping for that elusive offensive system that looks like the 7 seconds or less Suns, everyone is running up and down the court, ball movement and basic offensive stuff.

I know we gonna see the same stuff, just with a center who can catch and dunk a basketball.

So I am thinking that we are dealing with Spo, not an offensive guru. So I believe that in that case, lets just have a real good defensive player that can 1 2 and 3s, and have him guard the best player so Lebron isn't ran into the ground.

How many point guards the Heat been through since Jason Williams?

Spo isn't running a point guard friendly offense and isn't a point guard friendly coach, lets just be honest. Asking for a true point guard is asking for a lot.

Still have shooters and other point guards and centers, just in the starting lineup for the first 10 mins of a game, Lebron is the initiator of the offense.

Let Lebron be the initiator of the offense like he's been doing forever and probably will do til he can't do it anymore.

How can you say D-Wade is not a good off-ball player when 37% of his field goals were assisted last season? In order to score off of an assist, you usually have to move into the right spots and 37% is a significant raise from the 28% in the 09/10 season. Both aren't particularly high numbers, but they indicate that, when given the right teammates, Wade can be as efficient without the ball as with the ball in his hands.

Also, you kind of contradict yourself again. You say Spo isn't a point guard friendly coach, yet you say we haven't really brought in a true PG in since J-Will. I doubt Riles is sitting in his office not trying to bring in a true PG because Spo is not capable of using him properly. We simply haven't been able to land a true PG. We desperately need one in order to organize our offense better though. Regarding LeBron running the point I'd just like to quote indiegrind:

[quote ="indiegrind"]Lebron is not a cerebral player. When you leave it up to lebron to make decisions, he almost ALWAYS does the wrong thing. Hold the ball too long, telegraph a drive to the basket and allow the defense to draw a charge, make a bullet pass to Joel Anthony.

Making Lebron point guard gives him too much time to think and not enough time to just act. He is a great instinctive player, but he just isnt suited for a thinking man's position. Thats also why Mario Chalmers is a shaky point guard.

I think it takes away from Lebrons best offensive abilities to have him playing at the top of the circle. It would be a waste of his athleticism, explosiveness and ability to battle for rebounds. Plus, you really dont want Lebron chasing around a small point guard the entire game wearing him out.

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The reason why DWade jumped up in assisted baskets is because Lebron was defacto point guard. He was the best passer and playmaker on the team. And Wade still is highly ball dominant player because he is the best pick and roll option. I didn't say he wasn't a good off ball player he just don't got off ball skils, the man can't shoot. He can cut, he can slash, he can run the best pick and role attack but he's not a shooter, he is not Paul Pierce. His shots from 16 to 23 feet is not money.

I said how many point guards the Heat have gone through since Jason Williams, not true point guards, I mean point guards in general, as in Spo can't keep a point guard here or he has them and he doesn't use them because he wants that point guard to get out of the way and shoot 3s and defend point guards.

You think Spo would tolerate a player like Rondo, who can't shoot but can really pass. He wouldn't even play Mario over Bibby. He had Arroyo who could actually hit a shot and he wouldn't play him because he couldn't guard anybody, then get Bibby who really couldn't guard anybody and he also couldn't shoot.

Come on Spo is horrendous with point guards. Chalmers screws up a lot but hell at least he could defend and wasn't afraid to take chances. He actually made the Big 3 actually wanna play with some passion and grit.


I still believe for Spo's best case scenario is that Lebron remains initatior of his offense. Or he finds a pet point guard project that he is too stubborn to let go like Joel.

And nobody should blame Lebron because Joel can't catch, like this is basketball, you always gonna reciever a bullet pass.

[CablexDeadpool]

Adding a real point guard to the team will not overhaul our offense, it will make our offense more versatile. We still will be a pick and roll offense primarily but it will not be the lone option.

Yeah it would because that means the point guard will have to be the main ballhandler.

Im talking like this, you get a Rondo or a Chris Paul, they need the ball in their hands to be effective. Rondo not having the ball in his hands is a worthless player on offense. Chris Paul playing offball cut his effectiveness in half. Lebron and Wade also need the ball in their hands. So that would require an offense change because I don't see how that would work because Lebron and Wade are not gonna shoot lights out from 3 and Spo runs a half court pick and roll, grind it out offense. Your best players are ball dominant, they need the ball to do what they do.

You gonna need an overhaul.

Now if you get a Chanucey Billups, who isn't ball dominant but he just runs the team and he is a big guard around 6'3 to 6'4 and he's more like a combo guard. That could work in this style of offense, he doesn't need the ball in his hands. He pretty much just gonna tell you where to be and run the play. That point guard is what this offense need.

[twix2500]

First of all Paul and Rondo are different style of great point guards. Chanucey Billups is not a combo gaurd, he is a true point. The only thing that allows him to play the two is because he is big enough to defend the two. But offensively he is a true point guard. I not sure you are assuming that if a player can excel at catching and shooting that makes them a shooting guard (thats definitely not true).

Chris Paul game is versatile enough he will be effective off and on the ball. Rondo is a limited player, who is non existing off the ball. Yes Rondo will struggle next to James and Wade, but not Paul. Paul doesnt NEED the ball to be effective, is he great with the ball definitely yes, but he is not limited too. But in all we are talking about top teir point guards. These players are great a certian aspects of the game, but being a true point guard doesnt mean you have to be great. There are good true point guards players who have versatility in their offensive game that would fit our offensive scheme and at the same time make it more versatile with out overhauling our offense. Mike Conley, Kirk Hinrich and Raymond Feltons of the world. Not great at one thing but good at multiples skills. But they are true point guards, they know how to run and manipulate and offense in order for the team to be successful. Its what makes Mario Chalmers such a failure at point for us, is because he doesnt know how to run a offense from a point guard position. Chalmers cant even bring the ball up court let alone have a rhyme or reason where and why the ball should be put in a certain position or direction.

[GreenHat]

A true PG could've surely helped us during all those scoring droughts in the Finals when those two were hogging the ball and chucking up threes. LeBron and D-Wade dominated the ball for their teams because they HAD to. Do you remember our championship team? Wade didn't dominate the ball as much as he did in the past couple of years because we had a true PG called Jason Williams (well not only because of him but he was part of the reason). Actually, Dwyane has been pretty efficient off the ball last season as well. Thus, a real point guard who can do more than shoot threes and defend would be pretty helpful.
I also don't get how you could be the guy to criticize our offense, yet now you don't even want a true PG or shooters to space the floor.

Who is this true point guard who we could acquire that you would rather run plays through instead of Lebron and Wade?

You ask if we remember our championship team, but do you? Wade dominated the ball more than anyone I can remember in that finals. Our most effective play was having Wade take it every single play. Jason Williams had little to do with us winning that year (in fact we were better the year before that with damon jones at the point).

Our team last year was BETTER than our team that won the title. We just played a Dallas team that was playing better in the four games at the end this time and Wade played like a mere mortal this time. Our offense last year was much better than the title team offense with J-Will at the point (Offrtg of 111.7 vs 108.7). I would want it to be more like last year and less like the title team.

I want a shooter at the third perimeter spot who can also defend point guards. I don't care what position he plays as long as he can guard point guards. I also don't care if he barely has any pg skills. The ball will and should be in the hands of Lebron and Wade most of the time.

Lebron is not a cerebral player. When you leave it up to lebron to make decisions, he almost ALWAYS does the wrong thing. Hold the ball too long, telegraph a drive to the basket and allow the defense to draw a charge, make a bullet pass to Joel Anthony.

Making Lebron point guard gives him too much time to think and not enough time to just act. He is a great instinctive player, but he just isnt suited for a thinking man's position. Thats also why Mario Chalmers is a shaky point guard.

I think it takes away from Lebrons best offensive abilities to have him playing at the top of the circle. It would be a waste of his athleticism, explosiveness and ability to battle for rebounds. Plus, you really dont want Lebron chasing around a small point guard the entire game wearing him out.

Imagine how good Lebron could be if he didn't almost ALWAYS do the wrong thing?

[GreenHat]

I disagree with the we don't need shooting. Defenses are much better now then they were when Magic played and transition defense is a lot better.

You need spacing.

A lineup with an offensively limited center and defensive sf who can't shoot (like a wallace) with bosh and wade wouldn't be the best it could be even if you had Magic to run the point.

I'm not opposed to getting a defensive guy, as long as he can guard point guards and shoot. I want a shooter on the floor at all times for at least some spacing.

Having a shooter means sacrificing defense and rebounding. In not having a shooter scenario Bosh would be used to space the floor and be an offensive post prescence.

Bosh would have a bigger role.

There are just not a lot of shooters who can defend, like a bruce bowen.

I'm not saying put someone like Steve Kerr as a starter. I'm just saying don't put someone who can't shoot at all in with Wade and Lebron.

We don't really need rebounding from our pg and it doesn't have to be a huge defensive sacrifice. I want a guy who can defend pgs (whether he is a pg/sg/sf/whatever) who can hit a shot not a one dimensional three point specialist.

[DWadeno3]

A true PG could've surely helped us during all those scoring droughts in the Finals when those two were hogging the ball and chucking up threes. LeBron and D-Wade dominated the ball for their teams because they HAD to. Do you remember our championship team? Wade didn't dominate the ball as much as he did in the past couple of years because we had a true PG called Jason Williams (well not only because of him but he was part of the reason). Actually, Dwyane has been pretty efficient off the ball last season as well. Thus, a real point guard who can do more than shoot threes and defend would be pretty helpful.
I also don't get how you could be the guy to criticize our offense, yet now you don't even want a true PG or shooters to space the floor.

Who is this true point guard who we could acquire that you would rather run plays through instead of Lebron and Wade?

You ask if we remember our championship team, but do you? Wade dominated the ball more than anyone I can remember in that finals. Our most effective play was having Wade take it every single play. Jason Williams had little to do with us winning that year (in fact we were better the year before that with damon jones at the point).

Our team last year was BETTER than our team that won the title. We just played a Dallas team that was playing better in the four games at the end this time and Wade played like a mere mortal this time. Our offense last year was much better than the title team offense with J-Will at the point (Offrtg of 111.7 vs 108.7). I would want it to be more like last year and less like the title team.

I want a shooter at the third perimeter spot who can also defend point guards. I don't care what position he plays as long as he can guard point guards. I also don't care if he barely has any pg skills. The ball will and should be in the hands of Lebron and Wade most of the time.

I'm not saying I want to run the offense THROUGH a point guard, I just want a point guard on the floor who makes sure the offense doesn't stagnate and yes, that's what guys like J-Will and GP did. In that year, we moved Wade around more and got him the ball in better spots. This doesn't mean he doesn't control the ball a lot but he just received it in better areas to operate. Last season, it annoyed me to see Wade or James receive the ball at three point line and just run the same pick and roll and pick and pop crap over and over again. We didn't see enough of Wade or James just cutting to the basket for a layup or being able to catch the ball in rhythm for a 15-footer. I admit, Shaq also had a lot to do with it, as we could just dump the ball down low to him and force the defense to react, which opened everybody else up.

Speaking of Damon Jones, that's the kinda guard I'd be happy with already. He can shoot threes, defend a little better than Bibby but still make the right passes at the right time.

Our team right now is obviously better than the title team and 10 times out of 10, I'd pick our current team because it's simply more talented. All I'm saying is, it'd help to have someone at the point who keeps the ball moving and makes the right passes so that guy can receive the ball in better spots.

The reason why DWade jumped up in assisted baskets is because Lebron was defacto point guard. He was the best passer and playmaker on the team. And Wade still is highly ball dominant player because he is the best pick and roll option. I didn't say he wasn't a good off ball player he just don't got off ball skils, the man can't shoot. He can cut, he can slash, he can run the best pick and role attack but he's not a shooter, he is not Paul Pierce. His shots from 16 to 23 feet is not money.

Of course it was because of LeBron but it also shows that he doesn't have to create for himself all the time to score the ball. He's capable of adjusting and moving properly to score as well while somebody else controls the ball.
How can you say he doesn't have off-ball skills when you say he's good at cutting? It's one of the key aspects of being a good off-the-ball player. You don't have to be a sharp-shooter to be a good off-the-ball-player. Also, his jumper seemed fine to me for the most part of the playoffs, but that's a different story.

I said how many point guards the Heat have gone through since Jason Williams, not true point guards, I mean point guards in general, as in Spo can't keep a point guard here or he has them and he doesn't use them because he wants that point guard to get out of the way and shoot 3s and defend point guards.

You think Spo would tolerate a player like Rondo, who can't shoot but can really pass. He wouldn't even play Mario over Bibby. He had Arroyo who could actually hit a shot and he wouldn't play him because he couldn't guard anybody, then get Bibby who really couldn't guard anybody and he also couldn't shoot.

Come on Spo is horrendous with point guards. Chalmers screws up a lot but hell at least he could defend and wasn't afraid to take chances. He actually made the Big 3 actually wanna play with some passion and grit.

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Yeah, but what point guards have been here since J-Will? Spo has had Chalmers, Arroyo and a past-his-prime Bibby to work with. That's not a great group to choose from.