Travis Outlaw Appreciation Thread!

[treiz]

^Exactly what I'm thinking. VC, you're scenario seems like we're going to be taking a boatload of expirings, how many can we acquire via trade that can also benefit us in 2012?

[vincecarter4pres]

Just curious, what expiring player could we realistically acquire?

^Exactly what I'm thinking. VC, you're scenario seems like we're going to be taking a boatload of expirings, how many can we acquire via trade that can also benefit us in 2012?

Let's simplify it.

Amnesty Outhouse brings us to around 22.5 mill in cap room.

By the new rule we basically have to have a minimum of $50 mill by the end of the season.

When you waive Outlaw, we are at about 36.

So you only have to make up 14.

One big signing like Nene or Chandler alone almost gets you there, or one trade like Iggy, Kevin Martin or a trade for a guy like Scola and signing say Wilson Chandler.

You can even just go all out expirings.

Guys like:
Camby
Kaman
Jamison
Nocioni
Diaw
Barbosa
Hinrich
Okur
etc.

Should be available for next to nothing.

I'm not saying all of them, but some of them will and they fill needs as stopgaps and keep us flexible for 2012. Hell it's not like you acquire as many as you like, we can only go up to the cap without using salary filler above that number to match.

Then there's those guys and a handful of others who aren't even old or albatross's, but are realistically acquirable in a small trade.

How about Farmar for Pietrus?

Farmar for C.J. Miles?

How about Atlanta? Would they do Hinrich for Farmar?

How about Petro for Nocioni?

Petro for Okur? Rumor is there's a very good chance Utah amnesty's Okur. Wouldn't they prefer to straight up swap Okur for Petro, keep Johan for a year and if anything amnesty him next year for only around $2 million?

Or better yet, ride him out and save over $5 million including the vet min contract they would need to replace Okur in 2012, making it easier for them to reach the salary floor next season when they have a ton of cap but a suspect time getting people to a rebuilding team in Utah to meet that requirement?

And then save their amnesty as a what if?


The bottom line is, we have to amnesty Outlaw, it is not even a question.

Complete non-starter.

The idea has no legitimacy what so ever.

Even if you can't attract good free agents, what would the plan be then?
Don't try and trade for talent and just say to Deron, "Aww shucks, we couldn't get anyone to sign here this year, so instead of trading for Okur and Barbosa, it's on your shoulders to make Travis Outlaw a stud 6xth man."?

And then the actual real deal, deal breaker?

What happens if you sign someone smaller like resigning the Hump for 7 mill and you keep Travis for the year?

Then you have to make some vet minimum signings.

Next thing you know, you have around $6 million of pure cap left for this season and not a single expiring contract.

Imagine Orlando comes a calling?

Or even a great move like Granger or LMA or the such?

And you need that cap or at least expirings to match salary but you no longer have it, so Outlaw has to be included per league salary matching rules?

His contract is so ghastly, that would literally be a deal breaker and so buh bye Dwight.
Buh bye Danny Granger! Buh bye LaMarcus Aldridge...

And then watch Granger wind up on the Rockets, Dwight to the Lakers and Aldridge to Minnesota!

All because, you know we were so worried about that big bad scary salary floor Stefan Bondy so sternly warned against.

Good thing we kept Travesty!

Whoo! That 85% is a killer. We really dodged that bullet.

Listen, it's not happening.

[treiz]

So basically....

Use the amnesty on Trout.
Sign or trade for useful players on expiring contracts/reasonable short-term contracts

The thing I'm having trouble is, if we do use the amnesty on Trout, wouldn't that mean that we need to bring in more players in order to meet the floor? If I'm correct, what you're saying is that we should look to upgrade Trout with the money we're (I guess saving) from using the amnesty on him?

Also, still haven't got my head around the new CBA just yet, does the amnesty mean that Trout's contract becomes void?

[KMartsCrew]

Even NI says he has little doubt Outlol will be amnestied this season (he said that today).

All this talk about not giving him the ax yet is utter nonsense.

[NyCeEvO]

VC hit the nail on the head with his last two posts. It makes absolutely no sense not to amnesty Outlaw immediately.

There are so many other (and better) players that we could use our cap space on rather than Trout, who will not only improve us this year but also serve as serviceable trade pieces close to the deadline. Outlaw could kill any major deal, while the player/players that we could acquire in place of Outlaw's contract could help us to make a deal down the road.

KICK OUT THE TROUT!

[vincecarter4pres]

OUT THE TROUT! OUT THE TROUT! OUT THE TROUT! OUT THE TROUT!

[stephGRAHAMbury]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA ... s-last-one

Looks like we can book ourselves for at least one more glorious year of Travis Outlaw! Thank god I won't have to retire my TrouT jersey.

[vincecarter4pres]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

Looks like we can book ourselves for at least one more glorious year of Travis Outlaw! Thank god I won't have to retire my TrouT jersey.

Que?

[stephGRAHAMbury]

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/CBA-111128/how-new-nba-deal-compares-last-one

Looks like we can book ourselves for at least one more glorious year of Travis Outlaw! Thank god I won't have to retire my TrouT jersey.

Que?

2011 CBA: One player can be waived prior to the start of any season (only one player can be amnestied during the agreement, and contracts signed under the new CBA are not eligible). The salary of the waived player will not count toward the salary cap or luxury tax. Teams with cap room can submit competing offers to acquire an amnestied player (at a reduced rate) before he hits free agency and can sign with any team.

People have just been going off speculation and past rumors that the amnesty clause will be usable in future years, this is the first time it's been confirmed by a reputable source.

[DarkXaero]

^^ That only means that Outlaw has to be amnestied immediately.

[stephGRAHAMbury]

Re-read the passage. Outlaw can be waived at anytime during the course of this CBA agreement, and with that in mind it doesn't make much sense to waive him this season...