2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[endo]

Trade #1:

Detroit receives Jose Calderon and Ed Davis

Toronto receives Richard Hamilton and Brandon Knight

Trade#2

Portland receives Rodrique Beaubois and Leondro Barbosa

Dallas receives Gerald Wallace

Toronto receives Brendan Haywood


c-Haywood/Alabi
pf-Bargnani/Johnson
sf-Johnson/Klieza
sg-Derozan/Hamilton
pg-Bayless/Knight

[JamesNaismith]

Like trade #2.

Trade #1 I don't cuz Knight is a SG in a PG's body and Rip is becoming a bad contract and would likely whine about PT or want to be bought out. Personally (flame away) I like Davis' value over Knight's.

[goinrogue]

I personally think if Rondo is available, BC should be calling Boston right now. A DD and Rondo backcourt could be killer. I don't think some people give Rondo the credit he deserves; in my opinion, he's a fantastic point guard and would be exactly what we need. He and Casey would work great together and he would instantly be a team leader. Plus, he's still young.
The thing is:

- Bargs wouldn't be part of the trade. Come on, guys. Part of the reason Casey was brought here in the first place is cause he has a history with Dirk. We just have to accept that Bargs is going nowhere, at least for now.
- DD wouldn't be going to Boston in exchange. The point is to pair DD with Rondo.
- Here's the big one: We would have to include our 2012 pic. Boston hangs up the phone if we don't.

So the deal would be something like Bayless + Amir or Davis +2012 pic for Rondo and filler. We can ask for top three protected, but likely would get shut down. We would then have to amnesty Calderon and we could use the cap space to sign a center. (Jose would be unhappy playing 10-15 mins a game as Rondo's backup and he deserves more at this point in his career.)

[God Squad]

Like trade #2.

Trade #1 I don't cuz Knight is a SG in a PG's body and Rip is becoming a bad contract and would likely whine about PT or want to be bought out. Personally (flame away) I like Davis' value over Knight's.

So is Bayless.Except he is arguably worse than Knight. Knight has ready pg body. Bayless will never have that. He's short, and has a horrible wing span. Knight will be the better player. Book it. I don't understand all the love for bayless. I don't think he did one thing to make me thing he's deserves starting spot, or even a spot in our future.

[SDM]

Damn I can't believe Rondo's getting shopped so hard but I would send anything else BUT our 2012 + Jonas to get him....I hope Colangelo is begging to trade Davis + Bayless + 2013 unprotected + 2012 2nd rder to them....problem is I bet the Celts would want DeRozan + Davis + 2013.

The most I'd go is Bargnani/unprotected 2013 or a package centered around DD, Calderon, and a protected pick either 2012 or 2013.

[JamesNaismith]

Like trade #2.

Trade #1 I don't cuz Knight is a SG in a PG's body and Rip is becoming a bad contract and would likely whine about PT or want to be bought out. Personally (flame away) I like Davis' value over Knight's.

So is Bayless.Except he is arguably worse than Knight. Knight has ready pg body. Bayless will never have that. He's short, and has a horrible wing span. Knight will be the better player. Book it. I don't understand all the love for bayless. I don't think he did one thing to make me thing he's deserves starting spot, or even a spot in our future.

He's actually not short...

Jerryd Bayless is a legit 6-3 in shoes, and he has a wingspan at 6-3 ½ and 199pds. He did well in the combine, though, jumping 38 inches, lifting the 185 bar 10 times, running 11.26 in the lane agility drills, and sprinting ¾ court in 3.07 seconds.

Brandon Knight (6-1 ½ without shoes) was the lightest player in Chicago at 177 pounds, and registered the second lowest body fat percentage at 4.2%. Amongst point guards drafted in the top-15, Knight's height/weight combination is similar to Jason Terry's (6-1.5 without shoes, 176 pounds). His 6-6 ¾ wingspan.

Knight's wingspan compensates for being slightly shorter yes but not much difference there:

College Stats:

Knight 17.3ppg, 4.2apg, 0.7spg and 0.2bpg
Bayless 19.7ppg, 4.0apg, 1.0spg and 0.1bpg

Please help me understand why we basically trade for the same player who arguebly doesn't score as well....

[endo]

Like trade #2.

Trade #1 I don't cuz Knight is a SG in a PG's body and Rip is becoming a bad contract and would likely whine about PT or want to be bought out. Personally (flame away) I like Davis' value over Knight's.

Simply amnesty Hamilton after this season (would be in his final season after that) and sign Weems to take his place.

Then develope Knight or Bayless as the starter/combo guard off the bench.

2012 Toronto Raptors

c-Haywood/Valanciunas
pf-Bargnani/Johnson
sf-Barnes/Johnson
sg-Derozan/Weems
pg-Bayless/Calderon

[BorisDK1]

I'd like to give this a shot. Whether Philadelphia goes for it or not, I don't know - but they probably should. I think in order to possibly attract a quality free agent, you need to put some players on the roster with whom free agents might like to play.

I would time this trade to be at the trading deadline. It's likely to improve the team, so to do it as late as possible and still attain a 1st round pick this year near to the top would be crucial:

Toronto trades:
Andrea Bargnani
James Johnson
2013 1st round pick

Philadelphia trades:
Andre Iguodala

We'd still have a shot at adding another SG/SF type like Barnes or Miller or Gilchrist who can replace Iguodala in a couple of years; in the meantime, we get a name player who is a tad overpaid but who can bridge us towards future success. Oh, and we lose Bargnani.

[djsunyc]

A DD and Rondo backcourt could be killer. I don't think some people give Rondo the credit he deserves; in my opinion, he's a fantastic point guard and would be exactly what we need. He and Casey would work great together and he would instantly be a team leader. Plus, he's still young

we'd also be a very easy backcourt to defend. just sag back and let demar + rondo hoist up 18-20 foot jumpers all day...

[JamesNaismith]

I'd like to give this a shot. Whether Philadelphia goes for it or not, I don't know - but they probably should. I think in order to possibly attract a quality free agent, you need to put some players on the roster with whom free agents might like to play.

I would time this trade to be at the trading deadline. It's likely to improve the team, so to do it as late as possible and still attain a 1st round pick this year near to the top would be crucial:

Toronto trades:
Andrea Bargnani
James Johnson
2013 1st round pick

Philadelphia trades:
Andre Iguodala

We'd still have a shot at adding another SG/SF type like Barnes or Miller or Gilchrist who can replace Iguodala in a couple of years; in the meantime, we get a name player who is a tad overpaid but who can bridge us towards future success. Oh, and we lose Bargnani.

If this trade was done on draft day and you exchanged that 2013 1st with 2 second rounders (2012+2013) I would consider it; of course especially if we landed Davis or Drummond.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Bargnani and Barbosa at midseason for Carlos Boozer and a draft pick or two. Amnesty Boozer, tank like crazy.

Watch as Bargnani makes Chicago suck, thus improving those draft picks' value.

Be in the running for Davis/Drummond with our own pick.

You can't do that, The new rule will allow you to cut contracts on your books as of July 1st 2011 as seen here http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... sty_Clause

The Bulls wouldn't do that anyways, Boozer was signed for a reason.

I'd like to give this a shot. Whether Philadelphia goes for it or not, I don't know - but they probably should. I think in order to possibly attract a quality free agent, you need to put some players on the roster with whom free agents might like to play.

I would time this trade to be at the trading deadline. It's likely to improve the team, so to do it as late as possible and still attain a 1st round pick this year near to the top would be crucial:

Toronto trades:
Andrea Bargnani
James Johnson
2013 1st round pick

Philadelphia trades:
Andre Iguodala

We'd still have a shot at adding another SG/SF type like Barnes or Miller or Gilchrist who can replace Iguodala in a couple of years; in the meantime, we get a name player who is a tad overpaid but who can bridge us towards future success. Oh, and we lose Bargnani.

I can't see Philly being too thrilled with this one. The pick is good but is a major risk. Bargs isn't a C and with Brand still in the fold I don't see why they want to experiment with Bargs at the 5. I would have liked Iggy here with Bosh but right now he's paid too much money and IMHO would be a determent here with us getting a top pick. He's too good of a player to make us worse then Sacramento, Detroit, Charlotte, Denver if they loose Nene and their guys to a Chinese team this year or any of the other crappy teams. We would be in the middle of the lotto and be looking to grab a Gillchrist, Kobango or Worten type talent. So for that reason I would pass if I am Toronto.

[Rapsfan07]

Trade #1:

Detroit receives Jose Calderon and Ed Davis

Toronto receives Richard Hamilton and Brandon Knight

Trade#2

Portland receives Rodrique Beaubois and Leondro Barbosa

Dallas receives Gerald Wallace

Toronto receives Brendan Haywood


c-Haywood/Alabi
pf-Bargnani/Johnson
sf-Johnson/Klieza
sg-Derozan/Hamilton
pg-Bayless/Knight

Don't like either of them.

Trade #1 doesn't make sense because we know that Rip still wants good minutes. If we want DD tp break out or evaluate him further (since everyone will be on display this year), trading for Rip is pointless. Jose is a good teacher/mentor and can be brought off the bench if anything. Secondly , we could have drafted Knight if we wanted to. No way in hell am I moving a double-double big on a rookie contract for PG that can't go left.

Trade #2 - I don't see why we need to move Barbosa. I'm sure we'd get more from him if we traded him to Boston or Chicago at the trade deadline. Haywood would be a great stop-gap but not at his current price. I'll wait until he's amnestied.

I'd like to give this a shot. Whether Philadelphia goes for it or not, I don't know - but they probably should. I think in order to possibly attract a quality free agent, you need to put some players on the roster with whom free agents might like to play.

I would time this trade to be at the trading deadline. It's likely to improve the team, so to do it as late as possible and still attain a 1st round pick this year near to the top would be crucial:

Toronto trades:
Andrea Bargnani
James Johnson
2013 1st round pick

Philadelphia trades:
Andre Iguodala

We'd still have a shot at adding another SG/SF type like Barnes or Miller or Gilchrist who can replace Iguodala in a couple of years; in the meantime, we get a name player who is a tad overpaid but who can bridge us towards future success. Oh, and we lose Bargnani.

Would have been a great deal if Bosh was still here. But bringing in Iggy's heavy contract at this stage of the rebuild doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'd prefer to move Bargs for a mixture of picks/expirings/prospects if at all possible instead of loading down our books with a complimentary guy when we don't have a star.

[DreamTeam09]

Roddy B and Haywood and DoJo (Dominic Jones) are prolly in play for Dallas. I'm not sold on Roddy as a pg, but he is still an interesting prospect to have. So is Dojo actually. Haywood is on the books for like 30mill after this yr tho.

Roddy B + DoJo + Haywood + Dallas 2012 1st for Barbosa, Eddy D ?? If Dallas was gonna get a pick in the teens i'd prolly do it. I think we could get summin better tho. Plus Haywood is on the books for so much. But I think its an interesting trade for both teams. Dallas is going to try to free up cash to resign Chandler.

Btw I am a Dallas fan too

[Rapsfan07]

Roddy B and Haywood and DoJo (Dominic Jones) are prolly in play for Dallas. I'm not sold on Roddy as a pg, but he is still an interesting prospect to have. So is Dojo actually. Haywood is on the books for like 30mill after this yr tho.

Roddy B + DoJo + Haywood + Dallas 2012 1st for Barbosa, Eddy D ?? If Dallas was gonna get a pick in the teens i'd prolly do it. I think we could get summin better tho. Plus Haywood is on the books for so much. But I think its an interesting trade for both teams. Dallas is going to try to free up cash to resign Chandler.

Btw I am a Dallas fan too

Nope. I think Ed Davis can get us more than that. And to be very honest I'm not at all interested in Haywood at his current price and I don't see any assets of their making it worth our while to swallow Haywood's contract so I'd squash the deal

[HSOB SIRHC]

Let's get back to the Rudy Gay rumour!

Raptors trade:
Bargnani
Barbosa
2013 first round pick

Memphis trade:
Rudy Gay

Then trade Kleiza and Alabi to the Rockets for Flynn and Thabeet (Let me dream).

Trade Calderon for something

Flynn/ Bayless
Derozan/ ?
Gay/ James
Davis/ Amir
FA/ Thabeet

[Tofubeque]

Bargnani and Barbosa at midseason for Carlos Boozer and a draft pick or two. Amnesty Boozer, tank like crazy.

Watch as Bargnani makes Chicago suck, thus improving those draft picks' value.

Be in the running for Davis/Drummond with our own pick.

You can't do that, The new rule will allow you to cut contracts on your books as of July 1st 2011 as seen here http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/21 ... sty_Clause

The Bulls wouldn't do that anyways, Boozer was signed for a reason.

Ah, I didn't know that part of the amnesty rule. Makes sense.

I disagree about the Bulls though. They signed Boozer because they missed out on Bosh and Stoudamire. He's a defensive liability on a bloated contract.

[bboyskinnylegs]

Let's get back to the Rudy Gay rumour!

Raptors trade:
Bargnani
Barbosa
2013 first round pick

Memphis trade:
Rudy Gay

Then trade Kleiza and Alabi to the Rockets for Flynn and Thabeet (Let me dream).

Trade Calderon for something

Flynn/ Bayless
Derozan/ ?
Gay/ James
Davis/ Amir
FA/ Thabeet

Memphis is in a tight spot, if they match any offers for Marc as they are reportedly willing to do, they're looking at a very bad cap situation with 60 million+ dedicated to just Gay/Gasol/ZBo/Conley. Not sure if they would be interested in Bargs, but his deal is about 60% of what Rudy's is, and he can play next to either ZBo or Gasol, allowing them to reduce their minutes a bit (so each gets about 30mpg). Barbosa also gives them some scoring help as well, and I'd throw in James Johnson if they wanted also.

If they don't want Bargs, we also have the capspace to make an offer like Barbosa+J.Johnson+(Ed or a 1st) for Rudy, which opens up a ton of capspace for them, but I'm not sure if we would want to go down that road because it does limit our future capspace quite a bit.

I really hope some version of that original rumour with the Pacers involved happens (where we send out Bargs/Barbosa/Jose and end up with Rudy), but, just like trading Bargs for Rondo, it all seems pretty unlikely.

[Salted Meat]

Memphis is in a tight spot, if they match any offers for Marc as they are reportedly willing to do, they're looking at a very bad cap situation with 60 million+ dedicated to just Gay/Gasol/ZBo/Conley. Not sure if they would be interested in Bargs, but his deal is about 60% of what Rudy's is, and he can play next to either ZBo or Gasol, allowing them to reduce their minutes a bit (so each gets about 30mpg). Barbosa also gives them some scoring help as well, and I'd throw in James Johnson if they wanted also.

If they don't want Bargs, we also have the capspace to make an offer like Barbosa+J.Johnson+(Ed or a 1st) for Rudy, which opens up a ton of capspace for them, but I'm not sure if we would want to go down that road because it does limit our future capspace quite a bit.

I really hope some version of that original rumour with the Pacers involved happens (where we send out Bargs/Barbosa/Jose and end up with Rudy), but, just like trading Bargs for Rondo, it all seems pretty unlikely.

Man, Rudy and DeMar would look really good at the 2/3 for us. If we can get him without giving up Ed , JV, or our 2012 (I'd give them our 2013), wow, do it... don't wait, just ******** do it.

Lol, the next two weeks are going to be really interesting

[mvp_32]

not sure how realistic this is but works in the espn trade machine

Toronto trades - Bargnani, Kleiza
Toronto receives - Chandler, Gallinari

Dallas trades - Chandler, Butler
Dallas receives - Nene, Kleiza

Denver treades - Nene, Gallinari
Denver receives - Bargnani, Butler

[bboyskinnylegs]

^^ even without improvement, DeMar and Gay would be the second highest scoring wing combo in the league (only behind Wade/LeBron).