2011-12 Toronto Raptors Trade Ideas Thread Pt II

[RapsFanInOhio]

Via the NBA General Board, Bucher is saying that GS offered Monta and "an asset" (probably Wright) for Gay. If Memphis pulls the trigger, how about:

2014 first + TPE for Mayo

Memphis is going to be looking to shed salary to match a Gasol offer; why not sneak in and take Mayo off their hands for a future first? Ellis does the same things Mayo does if the trade goes through so he'd be expendable. I can see Cleveland doing something like this.

Trade Barbosa for anything. Sign Pryz to a small deal.
Bayless/Calderon
DD/Mayo
JJ/Kleiza
Bargs/Amir/Ed
Pryz

Tank out the season and go from there. Pretty solid young core.

[itbobby007]

With Gerald Wallace as the starting SF in POR and Batum as a backup, should we attempt to snatch him up?

Would Batum (absorbed into capspace) for our 2013 pick straight up be overpaying or not enough?

[itbobby007]

Via the NBA General Board, Bucher is saying that GS offered Monta and "an asset" (probably Wright) for Gay. If Memphis pulls the trigger, how about:

2014 first + TPE for Mayo

Memphis is going to be looking to shed salary to match a Gasol offer; why not sneak in and take Mayo off their hands for a future first? Ellis does the same things Mayo does if the trade goes through so he'd be expendable. I can see Cleveland doing something like this.

Trade Barbosa for anything. Sign Pryz to a small deal.
Bayless/Calderon
DD/Mayo
JJ/Kleiza
Bargs/Amir/Ed
Pryz

Tank out the season and go from there. Pretty solid young core.

Not a fan of moving a future pick unless its for a star player.

[bboyskinnylegs]

With Gerald Wallace as the starting SF in POR and Batum as a backup, should we attempt to snatch him up?

Would Batum (absorbed into capspace) for our 2013 pick straight up be overpaying or not enough?

I'd consider giving up 2013 pick for him if it had a bit of protection so we don't end up doing something like the Clippers did handing Kyrie over to the Cavs. Although it could potentially make just as much sense to commit to one of Ed or Bargs and try to deal the other for Batum. Ed for Batum straight up, or perhaps Bargs for Camby+Batum. Then if things don't work out, at least we aren't messing up our shot at a solid talent in next year's draft.

[itbobby007]

BTW, I totally contradicted myself in my last 2 posts...I consider Batum above average, but not a star. So I guess I'm a bit more lenient than I thought.

@bboy, agreed that protection would be the right move, wonder if POR would go for it.

[bballsparkin]

Roddy B and Haywood and DoJo (Dominic Jones) are prolly in play for Dallas. I'm not sold on Roddy as a pg, but he is still an interesting prospect to have. So is Dojo actually. Haywood is on the books for like 30mill after this yr tho.

Roddy B + DoJo + Haywood + Dallas 2012 1st for Barbosa, Eddy D ?? If Dallas was gonna get a pick in the teens i'd prolly do it. I think we could get summin better tho. Plus Haywood is on the books for so much. But I think its an interesting trade for both teams. Dallas is going to try to free up cash to resign Chandler.

Btw I am a Dallas fan too

Nope. I think Ed Davis can get us more than that. And to be very honest I'm not at all interested in Haywood at his current price and I don't see any assets of their making it worth our while to swallow Haywood's contract so I'd squash the deal

Yeah, I don't like it at all. I like Davis better than both those prospects and the first is basically a second round pick. Not to mention Haywood's contract is brutal.

[Rapsfan07]

We're much better off pacing ourselves at this stage of the game. No fast moves...just relax and move when the time is right. When it comes to trades, the only player we should be looking to move is Bargnani. As for free agents Foster, Dalembert, Grey, Brown and amnesty candidate likes Biedrins or Haywood are players we should be looking to sign. We should be able to snag one of those guys. I would watch Dallas closely as amnestying Haywood is a certainty if they intend to re-sign Chandler, Stevenson et al. I think he'd be a great fit for what we're trying to do here, has a relationship with Casey and would be okay with coming off the bench when Jonas gets here. Most I throw is 8 mil/2years. That should get the job done.

[sweetcity]

Raps Trade - Barbosa
Raps Receive - Thabeet + Flynn

Rockets Trade - Flynn Thabeet Williams
Rockets Receive - Deng 2012 Bulls first rounder

Bulls Trade - Deng + 2012 First Rounder
Bulls Receive - Barbosa + Terrance Williams

Raps (keep tanking!)

Calderon - Flynn
Derozen - Bayless
Johnson - Kleiza
Davis - Johnson
Bargs - Thabeet

[Rapsfan07]

Raps Trade - Barbosa
Raps Receive - Thabeet + Flynn

Rockets Trade - Flynn Thabeet Williams
Rockets Receive - Deng 2012 Bulls first rounder

Bulls Trade - Deng + 2012 First Rounder
Bulls Receive - Barbosa + Terrance Williams

Raps (keep tanking!)

Calderon - Flynn
Derozen - Bayless
Johnson - Kleiza
Davis - Johnson
Bargs - Thabeet

Chicago asks for a pound of the drugs that you're smoking and then laughs you off the phone.

[sweetcity]

In a Perfect World, I actually think this is fair and makes sense for all 3 teams

Raps Trade - Bargnani + Calderon
Raps Receive - Gay + Vasquez

Toronto dumps salary in Calderon and brings in an international back up PG with excellent size and motor, Gay pairs with DeRozen to become one of the elite 2G/SF pairs in the NBA. We finally rid ourselves of Bargnani and can move one with Amir and Ed Davis in the front court

PG -(Kabongo) - Bayless - Vasquez
2G - Derozen - Barbosa
SF - Gay - Johnson
PF - Davis - Johnson
C - (Haywood Amnesty?) - Bring back Reggie for 1 year (Replace with Jonas V)

Great looking lineup, gives us a realistic chance to be in the top 10 in the lottery. Im not as bullish on some of these prospects as everyone else. I think Davis and Drummond are locks, but Im not sold on Barnes, Miller etc. I think Gay is more of a lock then Barnes or MIller at the swing. I kind of like the middle of the draft, think there is a lot of value ie Kabongo, Kendall Marshall, John Henson etc


T Wolves Trade - Ridnour + Wes Johnson
T Wolves Receive - Calderon + Xavier Henry

Minny adds a mentor for Rubio in exchange for Ridnour, they take on extra contract for this, but its the price you pay. Johnson is swopped for Henry, Minny has a glut of SF's and few 2G's, each player has the same upside at this point I'd say.

PG - Calderon - Rubio
2G - Henry - Webster
SF - Williams - Wayward
PF - Love - Beasley
C - Darko - Miller

Memphis Trades - Gay + Henry + Vasquez
Memphis Receives - Wes Johnson + Andrea Bargnani

Memphis gets a little financial relief on the Gay deal and in exchange they bring in what could be one of the better 6th men in the NBA in Bargnani. Memphis has no depth at C, so Bargnani provides that, also providing substantial scoring off the bench. He would pair nicely with either Randolph or Gasol. Wes Johnson is a poor man's Rudy Gay, not nearly the elite talent, but a good bench player equal to the talent of Henry. Memphis already has Mayo and Tony Allen. At this point they would likely have one of the best benches in the NBA, especially with the addition of Ridnour, an excellent backup PG which they dont have. Memphis would be a very very dangerous team with this lineup

PG - Conley - Ridnour
2G - Allen - Mayo
SF - Battier - Johnson
PF - Randolph - Arthur
C - Gasol - Bargnani

[itbobby007]

^ i have no idea how you can think that is fair for MEM.

[Headliner]

Ed Davis for Delfino + Mil unprotected 2012 pick.

Then Delfino to the Mavs for Cory Brewer + 2012 pick.
The mavs save 3 mill due to Delfino being an Unguaranteed contract. That gives them 13 mill to spend before hitting the Lux Tax line.

We get Mil's 2012 pick, probably floating around 10th.
We could exit the draft with One of Davis/Drummond/Lamb/Barnes and maybe Kabongo.
Then use Dallas's pick to snag the BPA and add some depth.


Val
Anthony Davis
F/A
Derozan
Kabongo

[Mr Swagtastic]

not sure how realistic this is but works in the espn trade machine

Toronto trades - Bargnani, Kleiza
Toronto receives - Chandler, Gallinari

Dallas trades - Chandler, Butler
Dallas receives - Nene, Kleiza

Denver trades - Nene, Gallinari
Denver receives - Bargnani, Butler

Strike 1!

Raps Trade - Barbosa
Raps Receive - Thabeet + Flynn

Rockets Trade - Flynn Thabeet Williams
Rockets Receive - Deng 2012 Bulls first rounder

Bulls Trade - Deng + 2012 First Rounder
Bulls Receive - Barbosa + Terrance Williams

Raps (keep tanking!)

Calderon - Flynn
Derozen - Bayless
Johnson - Kleiza
Davis - Johnson
Bargs - Thabeet

Strike 2!

In a Perfect World, I actually think this is fair and makes sense for all 3 teams

Raps Trade - Bargnani + Calderon
Raps Receive - Gay + Vasquez

T Wolves Trade - Ridnour + Wes Johnson
T Wolves Receive - Calderon + Xavier Henry

Memphis Trades - Gay + Henry + Vasquez
Memphis Receives - Wes Johnson + Andrea Bargnani

Strike 3!

All 3 deals are pure Raptor pipe dreams. There is no way in trade 1 that Denver moves Gallo for Bargs and Klezia again he reportedly was thrilled to get out of there and I think he's burned his bridges with that franchise. Toronto gets wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much here for Bargs.

Trade 2) The Bulls take it pretty hard you know where. Deng is a good fit for them and when you play him with Boozer and Noah that is a decent front court. Something I am sure they are not tearing up for Barbosa and Terrence Williams of all people. Again The Raps get a sweet deal here but the real winner is The Rockets.

Trade 3) Memphis is looking to contend now and why would they move Rudy Gay now for this? They could have has pure cap space and the #4 pick last year which could have been one hell of a better deal then this Bargs is just a very expensive backup big who makes zero sense with Gasol and Z-Bo in the fold. The Wolves would block Toronto from ever contacting them ever again. They trade the cheaper PG and better SG/SF prospect for what Calderon and Henry I think not.

[Mr Swagtastic]

Ed Davis for Delfino + Mil unprotected 2012 pick.

Then Delfino to the Mavs for Cory Brewer + 2012 pick.
The mavs save 3 mill due to Delfino being an Unguaranteed contract. That gives them 13 mill to spend before hitting the Lux Tax line.

We get Mil's 2012 pick, probably floating around 10th.
We could exit the draft with One of Davis/Drummond/Lamb/Barnes and maybe Kabongo.
Then use Dallas's pick to snag the BPA and add some depth.


Val
Anthony Davis
F/A
Derozan
Kabongo

I hope we could get better for Ed Davis then this like a very minimum get a Klezia for Mbah a Moute swap. The Bucks are a good team to be in the top ten worst teams next year. You have Toronto, Charlotte, Detroit, Sacramento, Denver (if they loose all their key FA's) all being sure fire crap fest teams. I would hope they we could get better then a risk of a pick for Ed Davis and a very late Dallas pick.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

To Indy:

Ed Davis
James Johnson
Future 2nd (TOR)

To Tor:

Danny Granger

2nd TRADE

To Det:

Calderon
Bayless

To Tor:

S & T Stuckey
Hamilton

Sign Gasol via free agency

Stuckey/Barbosa
DD/Hamilton
Granger/Kleiza (Vet min)
Bargnani/Johnson
Gasol/(Haywood?) Valenciunas (2012-13)

That is a well balanced deep team.

You have Granger shooting 3's, Stuckey with a good midrange. Athleticism around the perimeter and size in the paint.

With everyone signed, this team grows together. Any vet would be ready to help lead that team into the playoffs.

Only problem is having enough for Granger and paying enough for Gasol...

EDIT: I realize we may have to dangle that future 1st into the Indy deal as well...

[Mr Swagtastic]

Guys like Granger are good if you have the talent to surround him with. He's not a franchise talent he's a very good 2nd fiddle or 3rd fiddle depending on the team. With that team we are not going to compete with The Eastern's elite teams Boston/Miami/Chicago in fact we would be in the middle of things. Yes we would make it to the 2nd round then what? We get smashed by one of the big 3 it's not worth taking on that much salary just to risk things. Gasol wouldn't sign here and we wouldn't have the money to do so anyways. Granger is making $12 million and change this year vs the $3.8 million were sending out so whatever cap space we have goes right out the window and no Marc Gasol.

If you add in the Hamilton + Stuckey for Calderon + Bayless it makes us have even less cap space.

I would easily prefer to tank this year and get Miller/Barnes or somebody with the 2012 first round pick and then see where we are in regards to getting the Granger/Igoudala's of the world

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

Guys like Granger are good if you have the talent to surround him with. He's not a franchise talent he's a very good 2nd fiddle or 3rd fiddle depending on the team. With that team we are not going to compete with The Eastern's elite teams Boston/Miami/Chicago in fact we would be in the middle of things. Yes we would make it to the 2nd round then what? We get smashed by one of the big 3 it's not worth taking on that much salary just to risk things. Gasol wouldn't sign here and we wouldn't have the money to do so anyways. Granger is making $12 million and change this year vs the $3.8 million were sending out so whatever cap space we have goes right out the window and no Marc Gasol.

If you add in the Hamilton + Stuckey for Calderon + Bayless it makes us have even less cap space.

I would easily prefer to tank this year and get Miller/Barnes or somebody with the 2012 first round pick and then see where we are in regards to getting the Granger/Igoudala's of the world

Money can always be figured out if the teams agree on a trade in principle.

Also, Memphis had a great run last year without a franchise player. They had a stacked squad that had loads of defensive help.

With Stuckey being comparable to Conley, DD being much better than Allen, Granger and Gay being a wash and Bargs playing the role of Randolph as the offensive anchors, the team I proposed could grow into a solid squad like the Pistons and Spurs of the early part of this generation.

I think many are blinded by the flash of all these so called super teams but many fail to realize what the Mavs were able to accomplish with 1 star and a crap load of over the hill vets.

The squad I proposed is not only young and athletic but their skills complement each other and it creates balance.
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[Rapsfan07]

To Indy:

Ed Davis
James Johnson
Future 2nd (TOR)

To Tor:

Danny Granger

2nd TRADE

To Det:

Calderon
Bayless

To Tor:

S & T Stuckey
Hamilton

Sign Gasol via free agency

Stuckey/Barbosa
DD/Hamilton
Granger/Kleiza (Vet min)
Bargnani/Johnson
Gasol/(Haywood?) Valenciunas (2012-13)

That is a well balanced deep team.

You have Granger shooting 3's, Stuckey with a good midrange. Athleticism around the perimeter and size in the paint.

With everyone signed, this team grows together. Any vet would be ready to help lead that team into the playoffs.

Only problem is having enough for Granger and paying enough for Gasol...

EDIT: I realize we may have to dangle that future 1st into the Indy deal as well...

This team competes but has no chance at a championship. I want a championship caliber team and am willing to wait for it so long as I know BC is trying to construct one.

[Cool-Hand-Luke]

To Indy:

Ed Davis
James Johnson
Future 2nd (TOR)

To Tor:

Danny Granger

2nd TRADE

To Det:

Calderon
Bayless

To Tor:

S & T Stuckey
Hamilton

Sign Gasol via free agency

Stuckey/Barbosa
DD/Hamilton
Granger/Kleiza (Vet min)
Bargnani/Johnson
Gasol/(Haywood?) Valenciunas (2012-13)

That is a well balanced deep team.

You have Granger shooting 3's, Stuckey with a good midrange. Athleticism around the perimeter and size in the paint.

With everyone signed, this team grows together. Any vet would be ready to help lead that team into the playoffs.

Only problem is having enough for Granger and paying enough for Gasol...

EDIT: I realize we may have to dangle that future 1st into the Indy deal as well...

This team competes but has no chance at a championship. I want a championship caliber team and am willing to wait for it so long as I know BC is trying to construct one.

Like I said above in another response, this team could be tough to play against just like Detroit from 2004-06 and the Spurs of the last decade.

I think everyone is a little too worried about big name stars and super teams. Look at Memphis from last years playoffs. They were one playoff series away from going to the finals.

[ramsay123456789]

Barbosa + klazia + 2 round 2012 draft pick 4 Al Jefferson

Sign

AK47 (solid defensive wing player)
+
Mike Dunleavy (perimeter shooting)
+
Charlie Bell (combo guard)
+
sign back Reggie Evens (REBOUNDS)

Bayless/Calderon
DeRozen/Dunleavy/Bell
Kirilenko/J.Johnson
Bargnani/A.Johnson/Evens
Jefferson/Alabi

I c a team like that with at least 15 more wins then the year befor But that's just me