Roy Hibbert's value?

frizzledizzle · Post #1 » by **frizzledizzle** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:07 am

Just curious what his value is. A lot of Pacers fans seem to be interested in signing Nene which could make Hibbert expendable. Not sure Nene at PF next to Hibbert would work out that well. At 7'2 and only 24 years old, I'd have to think plenty of teams would be interested.

Would something like Hibbert and Hansbrough get Lamarcus Aldridge? Or Hibbert and Posey(expiring) for Josh Smith? Maybe some type of Hibbert package for Kevin Love?

Doubt the Blazers would want to give up Aldridge but their big men appear to be pretty lousy outside of him. They'd get two for one in that trade.

I believe the Hawks have been wanting to put Horford at PF? Hibbert would allow them to do that.

A lot of people feel Love is more suited to play PF. Hibbert would give Minnesota a legit center to put next to Beasley.

So... what's Hibbert's value? What would you offer for him?

Post #2 » by **dockingsched** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:11 am

i think you're close with the hibbert for smith package, i probably would want more than josh smith, but everything else i think is overvaluing roy hibbert.

frizzledizzle · Post #3 » by **frizzledizzle** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:13 am

dockingsched wrote:i think you're close with the hibbert for smith package, i probably would want more than josh smith, but everything else i think is overvaluing roy hibbert.

I left the Minnesota package open because I know they would want more than Hibbert. I just don't know what else they need. I would say everyone outside of Granger and George could be had.

azuresou1 · Post #4 » by **azuresou1** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:22 am

I would be down for Hibbert for Josh Smith.

cheolee · Post #5 » by **cheolee** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:22 am

hibbert , Posey, and pick for josh smith seems fair

Indiana can then roll with

nene
smith
granger
george
collison

with hill and hansboro as key subs. Depending on how george and tyler progress this is a top 4 team in east

old rem · Post #6 » by **old rem** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:42 am

Nene will get pretty large $........Hibbert is younger,and way cheaper.

Hibbert 12.7 ppg,7.5 reb in 27.7 min
Nene 14.5 min 7.6 reb in 30.5 min.

Factor the per minute and that's not a big upgrade really.,however, Nene has a much higher FG %
As Indy has ample cap space...they CAN just FA Nene (if the Pacers are where he wants to be)
And have a deep front line with Hibbert, Nene, TH and whatever. I do like the upside Hibbert and Hansborough have, as noted above, there's not a large gap between Hibbert and Nene but Nene is at his peak, Hibbert is still improving,as is Hansborough. I expect Indy to think cost effective, build a good base. They can bag a value FA,one of the amnestied guys (or two),have quality and depth with youth and good contracts. What you want to have.

frizzledizzle · Post #7 » by **frizzledizzle** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:52 am

I just figure Roy Hibbert will be due for a big pay raise after this season or next and since I don't like the idea of having both Nene and Hibbert, it would allow the Pacers to replace Hibbert's production and upgrade at another position. I'm assuming the Pacers will keep Hibbert and sign David West if anything but if they sign Nene, I just think it makes since to trade Hibbert.

Personally, I would like to keep Hibbert but if the Pacers feel they can get a quality player for him, I wouldn't hate the idea. Only if they sign Nene though.

jnzook · Post #8 » by **jnzook** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:52 am

His value, to the pacers, is almost untouchable

frizzledizzle · Post #9 » by **frizzledizzle** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 12:55 am

jnzook wrote:His value, to the pacers, is almost untouchable

I agree. I don't really want to trade him either but I just wondered since I've seen a number of Pacers fans saying they want Nene. Really don't think they'd be a good fit side by side. Both need to be down low and I think a PF with a jump shot is better suited next to both. Which makes Tyler Hansbrough a good combination to go along with Hibbert. I just think the Pacers need another good big man, preferably an upgrade to Hans.

giberish · Post #10 » by **giberish** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 1:55 am

Actually Hibbert next to Nene makes a lot of sense.

Nene wants to play more PF-> having Hibbert makes Indy more attractive to him.

Nene can slide to center backing up Hibbert, allowing Hansbourogh 20-25 mpg at PF which is what Indy wants.

Hibbert can make some mid-range shots (even 3's in college, not sure about the NBA). Nene can knock down some open shots as well. They'd be passable together spreading the floor.

HireIsaiah · Post #11 » by **HireIsaiah** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:24 am

He's young, relatively cheap, and gigantic. He's not a clueless guy with height, so he's worth a lot. If he were to develop a better than average jumper, he'd be really dangerous.

jnzook · Post #12 » by **jnzook** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:35 am

giberish wrote:Actually Hibbert next to Nene makes a lot of sense.

Nene wants to play more PF-> having Hibbert makes Indy more attractive to him.

Nene can slide to center backing up Hibbert, allowing Hansbourogh 20-25 mpg at PF which is what Indy wants.

Hibbert can make some mid-range shots (even 3's in college, not sure about the NBA). Nene can knock down some open shots as well. They'd be passable together spreading the floor.

I agree completely. I honestly wouldn't even want Nene if we couldn't have him next Hibb. I think Nene would be a great fit with his defense, rebounding(a weak spot on the team, and with Hibb overall), and his high FG%. Not to mention playing the PF's, or lack there of, in the east would probably take his ppg and fg% up some. As well as what you said, having Nene able to play some backup mins at C. Adding Nene with Hibb and DG easily, imo, makes Indy's frontcourt one of the best in the league.

frizzledizzle · Post #13 » by **frizzledizzle** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:37 am

giberish wrote:Actually Hibbert next to Nene makes a lot of sense.

Nene wants to play more PF-> having Hibbert makes Indy more attractive to him.

Nene can slide to center backing up Hibbert, allowing Hansbourogh 20-25 mpg at PF which is what Indy wants.

Hibbert can make some mid-range shots (even 3's in college, not sure about the NBA). Nene can knock down some open shots as well. They'd be passable together spreading the floor.

I agree that Hibbert can hit shots from mid range but what about defense? Is Hibbert or Nene really going to guard people outside the paint? Not sure I've ever seen that. That's why Hibbert is underrated... it doesn't show up on the stat sheet that he prevents people from driving to the lane for easy buckets. He definitely alters shots. I don't think either one is capable of playing defense outside the paint.

frizzledizzle · Post #14 » by **frizzledizzle** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 2:39 am

jnzook wrote:
giberish wrote:Actually Hibbert next to Nene makes a lot of sense.

Nene wants to play more PF-> having Hibbert makes Indy more attractive to him.

Nene can slide to center backing up Hibbert, allowing Hansbourogh 20-25 mpg at PF which is what Indy wants.

Hibbert can make some mid-range shots (even 3's in college, not sure about the NBA). Nene can knock down some open shots as well. They'd be passable together spreading the floor.

I agree completely. I honestly wouldn't even want Nene if we couldn't have him next Hibb. I think Nene would be a great fit with his defense, rebounding(a weak spot on the team, and with Hibb overall), and his high FG%. Not to mention playing the PF's, or lack there of, in the east would probably take his ppg and fg% up some. As well as what you said, having Nene able to play some backup mins at C. Adding Nene with Hibb and DG easily, imo, makes Indy's frontcourt one of the best in the league.

I disagree with the defense part. I think that's what makes them a poor combination more than anything. Aside from the fact you have Hibbert who can only play center, acting as a shooting power forward on offense, Nene can't shoot(he'd have to be the PF) and neither can defend outside the paint. Any team that has a power forward that can shoot, Pacers lose if both Hibbert and Nene are on the floor imo

Grits n Gravy · Post #15 » by **Grits n Gravy** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 7:00 am

i'd trade derrick williams and wes for hibbert and george...you could have a memphis or utah protected pick as well.

edit: or both

Indy2thaWindy · Post #16 » by **Indy2thaWindy** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 7:08 am

^^^^
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Narf · Post #17 » by **Narf** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 8:37 am

Hibbert is really not that good, and there's no way the Wolves are giving up Williams for him. Just because he's 24 doesn't mean he has more value than a better 27 year old center. He's not dominant offensively, defensively, or rebounding. And his poor shooting percentage is more than a little worrying.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you can think he's worth all stars on other teams.

youngcrev · Post #18 » by **youngcrev** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 9:38 am

Josh Smith sounds about right. Aldridge or Love? No way.

I wonder if he'd be involved in a Pacers offer for Rondo. Collison/Hibbert for Rondo doesn't seem like a bad deal for either team, particularly since the Pacers can address their frontcourt needs in FA.

frizzledizzle · Post #19 » by **frizzledizzle** » Thu Dec 1, 2011 3:40 pm

Narf wrote:Hibbert is really not that good, and there's no way the Wolves are giving up Williams for him. Just because he's 24 doesn't mean he has more value than a better 27 year old center. He's not dominant offensively, defensively, or rebounding. And his poor shooting percentage is more than a little worrying.

I'm sorry, but I just don't see how you can think he's worth all stars on other teams.

I'm not sure you've ever actually seen Hibbert play. His shooting percentage isn't as high because he takes 15 foot jump shots. He also averages 2 assists a game and is a good free throw shooter. Not to mention he is a good at setting picks. I think you're just looking at the stat sheet without watching him actually play. If you want to argue you he's not dominant on offense, alright. He definitely is on defense though... he was a big reason in Rose shooting 37% in the Pacers playoff series. He also averages about 2 blocks a game. If you want to see bad defense, watch Love play. Now that's bad defense. If Hibbert was playing on a team as bad as the Wolves, I assure you that his points and rebounds would increase.

Looks like the Pacers may be right in believing Hibbert is virtually untouchable to the Pacers. He appears to be undervalued which means they would get low balled. I think they are going to make the right choice by signing David West. The appear to be the front runners to sign him. If he fully recovers from his acl tear and continues scoring 20 points a game, Pacers will be tough to beat.